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Anzi wrote:

Happy Slapper wrote:

Anzi wrote:Don't be ridiculous

On what planet is he a big puncher? When does he ever lay anyone out? When has he ever floored anyone above journeyman level? He can't punch. He's a good fighter, but he can't punch at any level above journeyman. I don't think he's a big puncher even at domestic level.

Quiet clearly on your planet he is not. You need to know the difference between " can't punch " and " big puncher "

Clearly he 'can punch' pal. In the same way any fighter 'can punch' but his record of KO's massively overestimates his power in terms of professional boxing and his reputation as some sort of puncher.

Someone like Ricky Hatton wasn't a murderous puncher, but he could punch at the top level and commanded respect. Eubank's power doesn't IMO. Anyone above domestic level is not going to be wary of his power at all.

i think saunders is our best hope for the future. every fight he seems to improve, and looks better and better. eubank is just a big fit strong trier. he will never be in the same league as saunders. i could see saunders giving ggg a decent fight, wheras eubank will just get his head punched in.

jimcook wrote:i think saunders is our best hope for the future. every fight he seems to improve, and looks better and better. eubank is just a big fit strong trier. he will never be in the same league as saunders. i could see saunders giving ggg a decent fight, wheras eubank will just get his head punched in.

I actually think Saunders has disappointed a little bit so far as a pro. Strange given what he has achieved but he looked pure class in his am days. He was always the standout fighter of the 2008 Olympians for me.
Hopefully he goes from strength to strength but travellers don't tend to age very well...getting married at 15 will do that to anyone though to be fair!

digzee wrote:

samwbr wrote:

Happy Slapper wrote:I can't see how Eubank outboxes BJS and Eubank carries virtually no power, so he's not stopping him any time soon. I just see another decision victory for BJS but by a wider margin next time. He's too technically sound for Eubank, and if I'm Jr I'd avoid it like the plague and go after Jacobs asap.

Saunders was badly hurt at the end of the 9th or 10th round by a huge uppercut and was fucked in the last 3 rounds, having one of the best chins in British boxing carried him through those rounds.

Does Spike have one of the best chins in British boxing too? Because he hit Spike with EVERYTHING he had and Spike never went down, also Chudinov must have one of the best chins in boxing too because he went 12 rounds with Eubank taking massive shots but guess what? He didn't go down too...

Its funny how he hasn't dropped anyone who isn't a Latvian binman.

I don't think it's that he doesn't hit hard, the problem is you can see his punches coming from the next postcode, so fighters are prepared for the shots when they come.

Happy Slapper wrote:

Anzi wrote:

Happy Slapper wrote: On what planet is he a big puncher? When does he ever lay anyone out? When has he ever floored anyone above journeyman level? He can't punch. He's a good fighter, but he can't punch at any level above journeyman. I don't think he's a big puncher even at domestic level.

Quiet clearly on your planet he is not. You need to know the difference between " can't punch " and " big puncher "

Clearly he 'can punch' pal. In the same way any fighter 'can punch' but his record of KO's massively overestimates his power in terms of professional boxing and his reputation as some sort of puncher.

Someone like Ricky Hatton wasn't a murderous puncher, but he could punch at the top level and commanded respect. Eubank's power doesn't IMO. Anyone above domestic level is not going to be wary of his power at all.

He is heavy handed, but he does not mix his power up enough, everything is thrown with bad intention, which enables his opponents to become conditioned to the power and expectant, but if he mix soft shots with hard shots, he would knock out more fighters due the shock of increased power.

Anzi wrote:

Happy Slapper wrote:

Anzi wrote:Quiet clearly on your planet he is not. You need to know the difference between " can't punch " and " big puncher "

Clearly he 'can punch' pal. In the same way any fighter 'can punch' but his record of KO's massively overestimates his power in terms of professional boxing and his reputation as some sort of puncher.

Someone like Ricky Hatton wasn't a murderous puncher, but he could punch at the top level and commanded respect. Eubank's power doesn't IMO. Anyone above domestic level is not going to be wary of his power at all.

He is heavy handed, but he does not mix his power up enough, everything is thrown with bad intention, which enables his opponents to become conditioned to the power and expectant, but if he mix soft shots with hard shots, he would knock out more fighters due the shock of increased power.

Not sure I agree with this either. Mike Tyson springs to mind. Every shot was with bad intentions... he knocked everybody out. Nigel Benn as well.

He just doesn't have that much pop IMO.

Happy Slapper wrote:

Anzi wrote:

Happy Slapper wrote: Clearly he 'can punch' pal. In the same way any fighter 'can punch' but his record of KO's massively overestimates his power in terms of professional boxing and his reputation as some sort of puncher.

Someone like Ricky Hatton wasn't a murderous puncher, but he could punch at the top level and commanded respect. Eubank's power doesn't IMO. Anyone above domestic level is not going to be wary of his power at all.

He is heavy handed, but he does not mix his power up enough, everything is thrown with bad intention, which enables his opponents to become conditioned to the power and expectant, but if he mix soft shots with hard shots, he would knock out more fighters due the shock of increased power.

Not sure I agree with this either. Mike Tyson springs to mind. Every shot was with bad intentions... he knocked everybody out. Nigel Benn as well.

He just doesn't have that much pop IMO.

Nigel Benn did not knock out many at world level, including Eubank sr, Collins, Sugar boy Malinga to name but a few, in fact he threw everything at Watson and could not stop him, bad example there, in fact he put it all on the line much like Eubank jr and Tyson was not a long distance fighter, his power was only for a short period, Eubank jr throws hard for 12 rounds, ask Chudinov or Saunders, not saying at this stage that Eubank is better then Tyson or Benn, but if you are comparing their power to Eubank jr then that is off track.

Happy Slapper wrote:

Anzi wrote:

Happy Slapper wrote: Clearly he 'can punch' pal. In the same way any fighter 'can punch' but his record of KO's massively overestimates his power in terms of professional boxing and his reputation as some sort of puncher.

Someone like Ricky Hatton wasn't a murderous puncher, but he could punch at the top level and commanded respect. Eubank's power doesn't IMO. Anyone above domestic level is not going to be wary of his power at all.

He is heavy handed, but he does not mix his power up enough, everything is thrown with bad intention, which enables his opponents to become conditioned to the power and expectant, but if he mix soft shots with hard shots, he would knock out more fighters due the shock of increased power.

Not sure I agree with this either. Mike Tyson springs to mind. Every shot was with bad intentions... he knocked everybody out. Nigel Benn as well.

He just doesn't have that much pop IMO.

Yes, but Mike worked the angles and had unbelievable handspeed, especially in combination.

Comparing him to Eubank Jr, is like comparing Mr Data to a Rock'em Sock'em Robot.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Happy Slapper wrote:

Anzi wrote:He is heavy handed, but he does not mix his power up enough, everything is thrown with bad intention, which enables his opponents to become conditioned to the power and expectant, but if he mix soft shots with hard shots, he would knock out more fighters due the shock of increased power.

Not sure I agree with this either. Mike Tyson springs to mind. Every shot was with bad intentions... he knocked everybody out. Nigel Benn as well.

He just doesn't have that much pop IMO.

Yes, but Mike worked the angles and had unbelievable handspeed, especially in combination.

Comparing him to Eubank Jr, is like comparing Mr Data to a Rock'em Sock'em Robot.

No idea what Mr Data or the other one is.

Obviously not comparing them in terms of ability - my point was the reason Eubank doesn't knock many people out is nothing to do with the fact he has 'bad intentions' in every shot, but just because he doesn't punch that hard.

Mike Tyson threw meaty shots with virtually every punch but still kncked people cold coz he hit hard.

Anzi wrote:

Happy Slapper wrote:

Anzi wrote:He is heavy handed, but he does not mix his power up enough, everything is thrown with bad intention, which enables his opponents to become conditioned to the power and expectant, but if he mix soft shots with hard shots, he would knock out more fighters due the shock of increased power.

Not sure I agree with this either. Mike Tyson springs to mind. Every shot was with bad intentions... he knocked everybody out. Nigel Benn as well.

He just doesn't have that much pop IMO.

Nigel Benn did not knock out many at world level, including Eubank sr, Collins, Sugar boy Malinga to name but a few, in fact he threw everything at Watson and could not stop him, bad example there, in fact he put it all on the line much like Eubank jr and Tyson was not a long distance fighter, his power was only for a short period, Eubank jr throws hard for 12 rounds, ask Chudinov or Saunders, not saying at this stage that Eubank is better then Tyson or Benn, but if you are comparing their power to Eubank jr then that is off track.

Gerald McClellan? Iran Barkley?

Doug De Witt was a tough man.

Happy Slapper wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Happy Slapper wrote: Not sure I agree with this either. Mike Tyson springs to mind. Every shot was with bad intentions... he knocked everybody out. Nigel Benn as well.

He just doesn't have that much pop IMO.

Yes, but Mike worked the angles and had unbelievable handspeed, especially in combination.

Comparing him to Eubank Jr, is like comparing Mr Data to a Rock'em Sock'em Robot.

No idea what Mr Data or the other one is.

Obviously not comparing them in terms of ability - my point was the reason Eubank doesn't knock many people out is nothing to do with the fact he has 'bad intentions' in every shot, but just because he doesn't punch that hard.

Mike Tyson threw meaty shots with virtually every punch but still kncked people cold coz he hit hard.

Mr Data is the android in the Star Trek Series. Rock'em-sock'em robots were a pair of battling toys from back in the day.

My point is, Tyson threw bad intentions with every shot, but he was blessed with blazing speed, and threw from unusual angles, which means his opponents were off balance, flummoxed, and more often than not flattened.

Eubank Jr on the other hand is predictable throwing the same shots over and over, and telegraphs his punches, meaning their effect is anticipated and lessened.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Happy Slapper wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Yes, but Mike worked the angles and had unbelievable handspeed, especially in combination.

Comparing him to Eubank Jr, is like comparing Mr Data to a Rock'em Sock'em Robot.

No idea what Mr Data or the other one is.

Obviously not comparing them in terms of ability - my point was the reason Eubank doesn't knock many people out is nothing to do with the fact he has 'bad intentions' in every shot, but just because he doesn't punch that hard.

Mike Tyson threw meaty shots with virtually every punch but still kncked people cold coz he hit hard.

Mr Data is the android in the Star Trek Series. Rock'em-sock'em robots were a pair of battling toys from back in the day.

My point is, Tyson threw bad intentions with every shot, but he was blessed with blazing speed, and threw from unusual angles, which means his opponents were off balance, flummoxed, and more often than not flattened.

Eubank Jr on the other hand is predictable throwing the same shots over and over, and telegraphs his punches, meaning their effect is anticipated and lessened.

Okay. I still don't agree though!

Pearls before swine.

As I've said a few times, a guy I know boxed him and said straight after that he's not a puncher.

He just doesn't have that much pop IMO.[/quote]Nigel Benn did not knock out many at world level, including Eubank sr, Collins, Sugar boy Malinga to name but a few, in fact he threw everything at Watson and could not stop him, bad example there, in fact he put it all on the line much like Eubank jr and Tyson was not a long distance fighter, his power was only for a short period, Eubank jr throws hard for 12 rounds, ask Chudinov or Saunders, not saying at this stage that Eubank is better then Tyson or Benn, but if you are comparing their power to Eubank jr then that is off track.[/quote]

bar saunders, its a pretty safe bet that nigel benn wouldve ko'd every single one of eubank jrs opponents in less than 3 rounds. not many stopped watson malinga etc. punchers are guys who leave opponents on the canvas, all the way up to world level. its highly unlikely that eubank jr will beat, let alone ko, many world class fighters

Happy Slapper wrote:

Anzi wrote:

Happy Slapper wrote: Not sure I agree with this either. Mike Tyson springs to mind. Every shot was with bad intentions... he knocked everybody out. Nigel Benn as well.

He just doesn't have that much pop IMO.

Nigel Benn did not knock out many at world level, including Eubank sr, Collins, Sugar boy Malinga to name but a few, in fact he threw everything at Watson and could not stop him, bad example there, in fact he put it all on the line much like Eubank jr and Tyson was not a long distance fighter, his power was only for a short period, Eubank jr throws hard for 12 rounds, ask Chudinov or Saunders, not saying at this stage that Eubank is better then Tyson or Benn, but if you are comparing their power to Eubank jr then that is off track.

Gerald McClellan? Iran Barkley?

But you said that Nigel Benn knocked everybody out ? Barclay was chinny anyway and McClellan was head butted, that caused the brain damage, he kept blinking after the clash.

Anzi wrote: McClellan was head butted, that caused the brain damage, he kept blinking after the clash.

most stupid thing i eva read , i was at that fight , its one of only three fights i have eva bought a ring side ticket for an to say that injury was caused by a head but that glanced down the tip of the nose is utter B0LLOX .
You see them punches that was landing from both of them men was frightening,some from Benn was on the side of the head , i remember thinking as i watched with me brother in law an cousin that had gone with me that the punches sounded like a football being kicked full pelt at brick wall , something had to give , there was something in the air that night ,it had little to with head buts,an more to do with preparation an luck of the draw .

Anzi wrote: McClellan was head butted, that caused the brain damage, he kept blinking after the clash.

behave yourself and stop talking daft. One headbutt, at a downward angle as benn was falling over caused brain damage rather than slamming punch after punch into the skull. Ok.

CiganoBoxer wrote:

Anzi wrote: , there was something in the air that night ,

I was there too, there was menace in the air that night. Never felt it before or since and hard to describe to people. It was so highly charged and the only time I have understood the over used expression (atmosphere was electric).

I sat down myself between rounds to get my breath back.

Anzi wrote:

Happy Slapper wrote:

Anzi wrote:Nigel Benn did not knock out many at world level, including Eubank sr, Collins, Sugar boy Malinga to name but a few, in fact he threw everything at Watson and could not stop him, bad example there, in fact he put it all on the line much like Eubank jr and Tyson was not a long distance fighter, his power was only for a short period, Eubank jr throws hard for 12 rounds, ask Chudinov or Saunders, not saying at this stage that Eubank is better then Tyson or Benn, but if you are comparing their power to Eubank jr then that is off track.

Gerald McClellan? Iran Barkley?

But you said that Nigel Benn knocked everybody out ? Barclay was chinny anyway and McClellan was head butted, that caused the brain damage, he kept blinking after the clash.

Having watched the fight on youtube many times and also the ITV documentary a couple of times, the headbutt was no way the reason that McClellan suffered his terrible injuries.

Benn was catching him with big punches all night, coupled with a poor trainer picking up on signs of exhaustion due to poor conditioning are what led to the terrible injuries

nitro5912 wrote:

Anzi wrote:

Happy Slapper wrote: Gerald McClellan? Iran Barkley?

But you said that Nigel Benn knocked everybody out ? Barclay was chinny anyway and McClellan was head butted, that caused the brain damage, he kept blinking after the clash.

Having watched the fight on youtube many times and also the ITV documentary a couple of times, the headbutt was no way the reason that McClellan suffered his terrible injuries.

Benn was catching him with big punches all night, coupled with a poor trainer picking up on signs of exhaustion due to poor conditioning are what led to the terrible injuries

The Fight[edit]
Within 35 seconds of the first round, Benn was knocked out of the ring by McClellan, but came back strongly in round two. According to McClellan's sister Lisa, at the end of the sixth round he said to his trainer "I wanna quit, Stan", a claim Johnson denies.[5]

The following rounds were "a brutal, yet exhilarating back-and-forth contest that saw both combatants give as good as they took".[6] Benn gained control of the fight for the following six rounds, before McClellan came back to take the eighth by knocking down Benn for a second time. In the ninth, a tired Benn was missing his "wild" punches, and the force of one caused him to fall forward and accidentally headbutt McClellan, an incident which appeared to significantly affect McClellan's physical well-being.[6][7]

The fight entered a tenth round; McClellan had never fought past the eighth round in his career. At the midway point, Benn connected with a right hand, causing McClellan to drop to one knee. The referee began his count until McClellan stood back up at seven, and the fight continued after Asaro checked McClellan. Working for American television station Showtime, commentator Ferdie Pacheco described it as "the strangest knockdown I've seen".[5] Shortly after, Benn connected with another right, and again McClellan dropped to a knee, this time allowing Asaro to count him out.[8] Pacheco's fellow commentator Steve Albert opined that it was "one of the most bizarre endings to a fight",[5] while Pacheco himself accused McClellan of quitting.[9]

Actor Daniel Day-Lewis, who was attending the fight as part of his training by Barry McGuigan in preparation for the film The Boxer, was "dumbstruck" by the fight.[10]

Anzi wrote:

nitro5912 wrote:

Anzi wrote:But you said that Nigel Benn knocked everybody out ? Barclay was chinny anyway and McClellan was head butted, that caused the brain damage, he kept blinking after the clash.

Having watched the fight on youtube many times and also the ITV documentary a couple of times, the headbutt was no way the reason that McClellan suffered his terrible injuries.

Benn was catching him with big punches all night, coupled with a poor trainer picking up on signs of exhaustion due to poor conditioning are what led to the terrible injuries

The Fight[edit]
Within 35 seconds of the first round, Benn was knocked out of the ring by McClellan, but came back strongly in round two. According to McClellan's sister Lisa, at the end of the sixth round he said to his trainer "I wanna quit, Stan", a claim Johnson denies.[5]

The following rounds were "a brutal, yet exhilarating back-and-forth contest that saw both combatants give as good as they took".[6] Benn gained control of the fight for the following six rounds, before McClellan came back to take the eighth by knocking down Benn for a second time. In the ninth, a tired Benn was missing his "wild" punches, and the force of one caused him to fall forward and accidentally headbutt McClellan, an incident which appeared to significantly affect McClellan's physical well-being.[6][7]

The fight entered a tenth round; McClellan had never fought past the eighth round in his career. At the midway point, Benn connected with a right hand, causing McClellan to drop to one knee. The referee began his count until McClellan stood back up at seven, and the fight continued after Asaro checked McClellan. Working for American television station Showtime, commentator Ferdie Pacheco described it as "the strangest knockdown I've seen".[5] Shortly after, Benn connected with another right, and again McClellan dropped to a knee, this time allowing Asaro to count him out.[8] Pacheco's fellow commentator Steve Albert opined that it was "one of the most bizarre endings to a fight",[5] while Pacheco himself accused McClellan of quitting.[9]

Actor Daniel Day-Lewis, who was attending the fight as part of his training by Barry McGuigan in preparation for the film The Boxer, was "dumbstruck" by the fight.[10]

26 Jan 2015 - Gerald McClellan's sister Lisa McClellan talks to James Slater ahead ... Twenty years on from tragic night, Gerald McClellan still asks what happened when he fought Nigel Benn ... I tell him, 'yes, you got hurt, from a head butt.

The fight appeared to have grown even when McClellan knocked down Benn again in the eighth. But McClellan was clearly exhausted, having never fought past eight rounds, and somehow Benn survived to the ninth, when he lunged and appeared to head-butt McClellan. The challenger sagged to one knee, blinking in pain.

Anzi wrote:

nitro5912 wrote:

Anzi wrote:But you said that Nigel Benn knocked everybody out ? Barclay was chinny anyway and McClellan was head butted, that caused the brain damage, he kept blinking after the clash.

Having watched the fight on youtube many times and also the ITV documentary a couple of times, the headbutt was no way the reason that McClellan suffered his terrible injuries.

Benn was catching him with big punches all night, coupled with a poor trainer picking up on signs of exhaustion due to poor conditioning are what led to the terrible injuries

The Fight[edit]
Within 35 seconds of the first round, Benn was knocked out of the ring by McClellan, but came back strongly in round two. According to McClellan's sister Lisa, at the end of the sixth round he said to his trainer "I wanna quit, Stan", a claim Johnson denies.[5]

The following rounds were "a brutal, yet exhilarating back-and-forth contest that saw both combatants give as good as they took".[6] Benn gained control of the fight for the following six rounds, before McClellan came back to take the eighth by knocking down Benn for a second time. In the ninth, a tired Benn was missing his "wild" punches, and the force of one caused him to fall forward and accidentally headbutt McClellan, an incident which appeared to significantly affect McClellan's physical well-being.[6][7]

The fight entered a tenth round; McClellan had never fought past the eighth round in his career. At the midway point, Benn connected with a right hand, causing McClellan to drop to one knee. The referee began his count until McClellan stood back up at seven, and the fight continued after Asaro checked McClellan. Working for American television station Showtime, commentator Ferdie Pacheco described it as "the strangest knockdown I've seen".[5] Shortly after, Benn connected with another right, and again McClellan dropped to a knee, this time allowing Asaro to count him out.[8] Pacheco's fellow commentator Steve Albert opined that it was "one of the most bizarre endings to a fight",[5] while Pacheco himself accused McClellan of quitting.[9]

Actor Daniel Day-Lewis, who was attending the fight as part of his training by Barry McGuigan in preparation for the film The Boxer, was "dumbstruck" by the fight.[10]

so the numerous punches had no affect on him?? but an accidental headbutt whilst in a downward motion did??? sorry but the headbutt didn't have significant affect unlike the numerous punches, lack of stamina because of poor training.

it was a series of events which led to the terrible outcome, but the most miniscule was the headbutt.