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Bodyshot3 wrote:Agreed with Ambling Alp....Nino Benvenuti is a serious omission from a top 25 list but always weirdly gets overlooked time and time again for some reason. If you are a WBA-WBC champ and 2-1 against Griffith, beat the likes of Bethea, Fullmer and give Monzon a fight (first time up) why not be Top 25? Nino gets a rough deal every time.

Carl 'Bobo' Olson also seems to get ignored; successful during one of the very toughest middleweight periods and with the scapls to prove it.

cfang wrote:I'll start then :-)

first off where's Sam Langford? I have no clue why he gets left out of middleweight discussions. He was a middleweight for years and fought guys at his weight, lower (in the case of the likes of gans and Walcott). There was a clamour for a fight between him and Ketchel for ages and that was because Langford for a long time was middleweight sized. He should be in the list and ahead of Ketchel in my view.

I've got Greb at number one and I think he's greater than Monzon and Hagler (my boyhood hero). Robinson is ofc the greatest welter and Id put him 4/5 on this list I think.

Golovkin is not greater than Emile Griffith or Marcel Cerdan at Middleweight, he's beaten nobody thus far to warrant inclusion in this list despite how good he looks.

Also what about Roy Jones? He beat Hopkins at middle and won the middle title by beating Tony. He should be included too. I really think that excluding middleweights who were either forced into fighting bigger men to get fights (in langfords case) or those that moved onto better things at higher weights (like jones) should be included. It could be argued Griffith was a better welter but hes in the list.

I think id have burley and steele a little higher up too.

It is a good list though lol ofc. What great fighers we've had in this division. I do think its interesting that in my view, the 3 greatest fighters of all time - greb, robinson, langford were all pretty much middles :-)

elmersalsa wrote:The last thing I check in his resume was that he has 16 straight title fights won in a row...All by knockout! The only knock is that he hasn't fought nobody noteworthy at middleweight yet. Right now, he is undefeated, which count for some level of degree of greatness. But, once he starts beating some noteworthy opponents, he could be top 20. The great Emile Griffith was a greater fighter than GGG, pound per pound. But, at 160lbs? It's all GGG!

McGoorty wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:

cfang wrote:I'll start then :-)

first off where's Sam Langford? I have no clue why he gets left out of middleweight discussions. He was a middleweight for years and fought guys at his weight, lower (in the case of the likes of gans and Walcott). There was a clamour for a fight between him and Ketchel for ages and that was because Langford for a long time was middleweight sized. He should be in the list and ahead of Ketchel in my view.

I've got Greb at number one and I think he's greater than Monzon and Hagler (my boyhood hero). Robinson is ofc the greatest welter and Id put him 4/5 on this list I think.

Golovkin is not greater than Emile Griffith or Marcel Cerdan at Middleweight, he's beaten nobody thus far to warrant inclusion in this list despite how good he looks.

Also what about Roy Jones? He beat Hopkins at middle and won the middle title by beating Tony. He should be included too. I really think that excluding middleweights who were either forced into fighting bigger men to get fights (in langfords case) or those that moved onto better things at higher weights (like jones) should be included. It could be argued Griffith was a better welter but hes in the list.

I think id have burley and steele a little higher up too.

It is a good list though lol ofc. What great fighers we've had in this division. I do think its interesting that in my view, the 3 greatest fighters of all time - greb, robinson, langford were all pretty much middles :-)

First of all, the great Sam Langford hasn't shown any indication on hi record that he campaigned at middleweight for a long period of time. He was mainly fighting heavyweights. It's inconclusive to know exactly in what weight class he was really competing most of his career. The same could be said with another great fighter named Packey McFarland. You don't know if he's a lightweight or welterweight or featherweight because he was fighting in different weight classes all the time. The same could be said about the great Manny Pacquiao in a sense.

Gennady "GGG" Golovkin is showing signs of middleweight championship brilliance. The last thing I check in his resume was that he has 16 straight title fights won in a row...All by knockout! The only knock is that he hasn't fought nobody noteworthy at middleweight yet. Right now, he is undefeated, which count for some level of degree of greatness. But, once he starts beating some noteworthy opponents, he could be top 20. The great Emile Griffith was a greater fighter than GGG, pound per pound. But, at 160lbs? It's all GGG!

Amazing, not one poster here even seems to have heard of Darcy and this list is basically taking a giant DUMP from on high onto Australian boxing, the greatest Australian fighter ever and he can't even make top 25 on anyone's list here ?.. after this I think Australia should just ban boxing as a sport. Those Aussies must be weaklings eh, and no dave Sands even mentioned either, I am so sick of Americo-centric lists.

McGoorty wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:

cfang wrote:I'll start then :-)

first off where's Sam Langford? I have no clue why he gets left out of middleweight discussions. He was a middleweight for years and fought guys at his weight, lower (in the case of the likes of gans and Walcott). There was a clamour for a fight between him and Ketchel for ages and that was because Langford for a long time was middleweight sized. He should be in the list and ahead of Ketchel in my view.

I've got Greb at number one and I think he's greater than Monzon and Hagler (my boyhood hero). Robinson is ofc the greatest welter and Id put him 4/5 on this list I think.

Golovkin is not greater than Emile Griffith or Marcel Cerdan at Middleweight, he's beaten nobody thus far to warrant inclusion in this list despite how good he looks.

Also what about Roy Jones? He beat Hopkins at middle and won the middle title by beating Tony. He should be included too. I really think that excluding middleweights who were either forced into fighting bigger men to get fights (in langfords case) or those that moved onto better things at higher weights (like jones) should be included. It could be argued Griffith was a better welter but hes in the list.

I think id have burley and steele a little higher up too.

It is a good list though lol ofc. What great fighers we've had in this division. I do think its interesting that in my view, the 3 greatest fighters of all time - greb, robinson, langford were all pretty much middles :-)

First of all, the great Sam Langford hasn't shown any indication on hi record that he campaigned at middleweight for a long period of time. He was mainly fighting heavyweights. It's inconclusive to know exactly in what weight class he was really competing most of his career. The same could be said with another great fighter named Packey McFarland. You don't know if he's a lightweight or welterweight or featherweight because he was fighting in different weight classes all the time. The same could be said about the great Manny Pacquiao in a sense.

Gennady "GGG" Golovkin is showing signs of middleweight championship brilliance. The last thing I check in his resume was that he has 16 straight title fights won in a row...All by knockout! The only knock is that he hasn't fought nobody noteworthy at middleweight yet. Right now, he is undefeated, which count for some level of degree of greatness. But, once he starts beating some noteworthy opponents, he could be top 20. The great Emile Griffith was a greater fighter than GGG, pound per pound. But, at 160lbs? It's all GGG!

Amazing, not one poster here even seems to have heard of Darcy and this list is basically taking a giant DUMP from on high onto Australian boxing, the greatest Australian fighter ever and he can't even make top 25 on anyone's list here ?.. after this I think Australia should just ban boxing as a sport. Those Aussies must be weaklings eh, and no dave Sands even mentioned either, I am so sick of Americo-centric lists.

klompton wrote:"McGoorty" is none other than Greg Leloony, Darcy's #1 nuthugger and if you don't mention Darcy in every post you make about great middleweights he takes it as a personal affront.