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Tony1244 wrote:

ttornado wrote:

SenorPipino wrote:I said Povetkin has no business in the ring with Wilder based on skills, not whether or not that Russian is a mandatory.

https://www.instagram.com/p/8Ljet1wQ01/

Anyone can look bad in a clip and that includes Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali.

But do you think Wilder is a level or more above Povetkin skill wise?

ttornado wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

ttornado wrote: https://www.instagram.com/p/8Ljet1wQ01/

Anyone can look bad in a clip and that includes Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali.

But do you think Wilder is a level or more above Povetkin skill wise?

No. Povetkin has more skill. Who would win? It all depends on how well Povetkin can take Wilder's power. Povetkin survived, but got knocked down against Wlad; chins usually don't improve over time. I'd favor Povetkin to win, but just slightly.

Tony1244 wrote:
No. Povetkin has more skill. Who would win? It all depends on how well Povetkin can take Wilder's power. Povetkin survived, but got knocked down against Wlad;

Not all the KD counted were legitimate, Wlad got away with a lot of pushing in the fight.

wlad punches harder than Wilder.

Wilder's technique is awful, he winds up with everything he has, and largely punches with his arms, he throws so many shots that every now and then he lands a series of heavy shots, or one big one that get the effect he desires, but he is absolutely wide open to be countered by someone who throws simple straight hard right hands.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:wlad punches harder than Wilder.

Wilder's technique is awful, he winds up with everything he has, and largely punches with his arms, he throws so many shots that every now and then he lands a series of heavy shots, or one big one that get the effect he desires, but he is absolutely wide open to be countered by someone who throws simple straight hard right hands.

Wlad does, or did, punch harder than Wilder, but that's no disgrace, Wlad is a devastating puncher.

What's interesting about Wilder and Fury is they both have noticeable flaws. While chins don't improve, technique can improve. Wlad got much better after Manny Steward. Holyfield's defense got much better after many years as a pro and after he was a cruiserweight. Whether Wilder smooths out some of the rough edges or not, both he and Fury are fun to watch, more so than Wlad, Mayweather or a Thurman in my opinion.

Good lord at the freaks who post on this site nowadays. It's as if banned filth from other forums have migrated here.

I think Wilder was hitting Szpilka hard enough. Szpilka seemed to be pretty resilient. More importantly, Wilder was scoring mostly with singles. If it were Wilder's primary goal to raise his KO efficiency, I would say that he should want to improve his combination punching. Hit a guy with a single, he might take it. Hit him with 3-5 punches coming at each different angle, night night.

I'm surprised that the Americans still seem to think that they are the best boxers...
The rank 10 ish of Europe can be compared to the top 3 of America and I don't even think Wilder is the best American boxer out there.
In fact I think Wilder was quite lucky, Wilder boxed better as I expected.

asdfjkl wrote:I'm surprised that the Americans still seem to think that they are the best boxers...
The rank 10 ish of Europe can be compared to the top 3 of America and I don't even think Wilder is the best American boxer out there.
In fact I think Wilder was quite lucky, Wilder boxed better as I expected.

Where are you reading that?

Tony1244 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:I'm surprised that the Americans still seem to think that they are the best boxers...
The rank 10 ish of Europe can be compared to the top 3 of America and I don't even think Wilder is the best American boxer out there.
In fact I think Wilder was quite lucky, Wilder boxed better as I expected.

Where are you reading that?

I saw the title of this topic, that gave me the feeling that Americans expected a walkover.

danamba7 wrote:
If he stopped Povetkin with no controversy, I would be converted. That's how it works. Beat a genuine top guy impressively, get credit. Look average, against average fighters, get stick.

Sums it up perfectly.

He'll get credit when and only when it is earned.
Right now he gets a fair appraisal on his performances and over all body of work

asdfjkl wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:I'm surprised that the Americans still seem to think that they are the best boxers...
The rank 10 ish of Europe can be compared to the top 3 of America and I don't even think Wilder is the best American boxer out there.
In fact I think Wilder was quite lucky, Wilder boxed better as I expected.

Where are you reading that?

I saw the title of this topic, that gave me the feeling that Americans expected a walkover.

I predicted Wilder KO4, but KO9 didn't surprise me at all.

I read about how Eastern Europeans were going to dominate the premier division in boxing from the Klitschkos to the present.

Well, Spilkva and Glaskov are the cream of the crop of Eastern European Heavyweights after the Klitschkos. Both lost to relatively inexperienced American heavyweights. if Wilder beats Povetkin, the Eastern European Heavyweight Domination Theory will have imploded.

I smell PANIC MODE.

asdfjkl wrote:I saw the title of this topic, that gave me the feeling that Americans expected a walkover.

So one title from one man and automatically EVERY American is expecting the same thing?? Wow, boxing fans nowadays

Tony1244 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: I saw the title of this topic, that gave me the feeling that Americans expected a walkover.

I predicted Wilder KO4, but KO9 didn't surprise me at all.

I read about how Eastern Europeans were going to dominate the premier division in boxing from the Klitschkos to the present.

Well, Spilkva and Glaskov are the cream of the crop of Eastern European Heavyweights after the Klitschkos. Both lost to relatively inexperienced American heavyweights. if Wilder beats Povetkin, the Eastern European Heavyweight Domination Theory will have imploded.

I smell PANIC MODE.

Glazkov was a lucky guy, the only reason he was ranked high was because he fought Americans like Tor Hamer who give a lot of points, but actually aren't any good, guys like that.
Szpilka as well as Glazvkov aren't the cream lol, Chagaev and Pulev used to be, but they are getting old now and actually, the sport is a lot less big over there as it used to be, you don't see any new talents coming any more, even the next generation, like Izuagbe Ugonoh aren't even real Polish guys any more.

Genetically seen I think the Dutch actually had the best heavyweight boxing genes out there in Europe, before the mass immigration, but nobody in Holland ever joined the sport, except for some of the small immigrants and even them mostly in the lower leagues.
If Wilder would go to any random partyhall in the centre of Amsterdam nobody would even notice him, he wouldn't even be the tallest or strongest of the room over there. He would only be a just above avarage sized guy.
As far as I know, the only good heavyweights from Europe nowadays come from the UK and even they are immigrants, like David Haye, Anthony Joshua, the gypsy family and Dillian Whyte, they aren't real typical people from the UK.

I personally predicted a close pointwinning match for Deontay, not because he's that good, but because Szpilka isn't the top either. Untill the KO it actually seemed to become something like that.

asdfjkl wrote:
As far as I know, the only good heavyweights from Europe nowadays come from the UK and even they are immigrants, like David Haye, Anthony Joshua, the gypsy family and Dillian Whyte, they aren't real typical people from the UK.

Not sure if something has been lost in translation there mate but...

I'm not sure how David Haye (born and raised in London) Anthony Joshua (born and raised in Watford), the Furys (born and raised in Manchester) would take to being reffered to flippantly as immigrants or as not real typical people from the UK.

I don't want to come across as captain PC here but I'd maybe have worded that slightly different

davie wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:
As far as I know, the only good heavyweights from Europe nowadays come from the UK and even they are immigrants, like David Haye, Anthony Joshua, the gypsy family and Dillian Whyte, they aren't real typical people from the UK.

Not sure if something has been lost in translation there mate but...

I'm not sure how David Haye (born and raised in London) Anthony Joshua (born and raised in Watford), the Furys (born and raised in Manchester) would take to being reffered to flippantly as immigrants or as not real typical people from the UK.

I don't want to come across as captain PC here but I'd maybe have worded that slightly different

Yeah bit of a strange comment. We know they have African, Caribbean or Romany/Irish Gypsy heritage but they were still born (except for Whyte), raised and learned their trade in the UK. They are products of UK boxing gyms and trainers for the most part.

How anyone can hold a conversation with asdfjkl for more than about five minutes without realising he/it is a fvcking Geert Wilders wannabe & a total fuckwit whose every utterance & indeed entire worldview is gimped by his barely-concealed racial views is beyond me, frankly.

You might've noted his strident anti-American opinions, except it's not abhorrence of empire that's driving them, it's his horror of miscegenation & melting pots.

Datsue wrote:How anyone can hold a conversation with asdfjkl for more than about five minutes without realising he/it is a fvcking Geert Wilders wannabe & a total fuckwit whose every utterance & indeed entire worldview is gimped by his barely-concealed racial views is beyond me, frankly.

You might've noted his strident anti-American opinions, except it's not abhorrence of empire that's driving them, it's his horror of miscegenation & melting pots.

If someone wants to root for their countrymen fine. If someone wants to root against big bad America fine. I root for America in the Olympics, otherwise I usually don't care. I had no problem rooting for Lewis against Tyson.

But to say Haye, Fury, and Joshua aren't really Englishmen is over the top and ridiculous. To say, Northern Europe would be the best if they wanted it, is like saying if my aunt had a Dick she'd be my uncle.

Tony1244 wrote: But to say Haye, Fury, and Joshua aren't really Englishmen is over the top and ridiculous. To say, Northern Europe would be the best if they wanted it, is like saying if my aunt had a Dick she'd be my uncle.

danamba7 wrote:

davie wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:
As far as I know, the only good heavyweights from Europe nowadays come from the UK and even they are immigrants, like David Haye, Anthony Joshua, the gypsy family and Dillian Whyte, they aren't real typical people from the UK.

Not sure if something has been lost in translation there mate but...

I'm not sure how David Haye (born and raised in London) Anthony Joshua (born and raised in Watford), the Furys (born and raised in Manchester) would take to being reffered to flippantly as immigrants or as not real typical people from the UK.

I don't want to come across as captain PC here but I'd maybe have worded that slightly different

Yeah bit of a strange comment. We know they have African, Caribbean or Romany/Irish Gypsy heritage but they were still born (except for Whyte), raised and learned their trade in the UK. They are products of UK boxing gyms and trainers for the most part.

They are children of foreigners, they don't live in the UK for many generations. People from the UK that live there for many generations barely ever box in the gym, especially 30 years ago, when Haye was a kid.

asdfjkl wrote:

danamba7 wrote:

davie wrote:
Not sure if something has been lost in translation there mate but...

I'm not sure how David Haye (born and raised in London) Anthony Joshua (born and raised in Watford), the Furys (born and raised in Manchester) would take to being reffered to flippantly as immigrants or as not real typical people from the UK.

I don't want to come across as captain PC here but I'd maybe have worded that slightly different

Yeah bit of a strange comment. We know they have African, Caribbean or Romany/Irish Gypsy heritage but they were still born (except for Whyte), raised and learned their trade in the UK. They are products of UK boxing gyms and trainers for the most part.

They are children of foreigners, they don't live in the UK for many generations. People from the UK that live there for many generations barely ever box in the gym, especially 30 years ago, when Haye was a kid.

They are British, they were born in Britain, they represented Britain in boxing.
But even going with your theory of their ancestors moved here and no "real British people" go to boxing gyms.....current world champions, Carl Frampton, Scott Quigg, Anthony Crolla, Liam Smith, Terry Flannagan, Lee Selby, BJS, Jamie Mcdonnell & Lee Haskins might not agree with that

davie wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

danamba7 wrote:
Yeah bit of a strange comment. We know they have African, Caribbean or Romany/Irish Gypsy heritage but they were still born (except for Whyte), raised and learned their trade in the UK. They are products of UK boxing gyms and trainers for the most part.

They are children of foreigners, they don't live in the UK for many generations. People from the UK that live there for many generations barely ever box in the gym, especially 30 years ago, when Haye was a kid.

They are British, they were born in Britain, they represented Britain in boxing.
But even going with your theory of their ancestors moved here and no "real British people" go to boxing gyms.....current world champions, Carl Frampton, Scott Quigg, Anthony Crolla, Liam Smith, Terry Flannagan, Lee Selby, BJS, Jamie Mcdonnell & Lee Haskins might not agree with that

TBH I don't know any of them, but I guess they are dwarf fighters, young fighters, of both of them but I'll admit, I'm surprised, I live in Holland and I don't know anyone from my youth who boxed and nobody knows who Tyson Fury is from my (Dutch) friends, I'm the only one interested.

asdfjkl wrote:

davie wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: They are children of foreigners, they don't live in the UK for many generations. People from the UK that live there for many generations barely ever box in the gym, especially 30 years ago, when Haye was a kid.

They are British, they were born in Britain, they represented Britain in boxing.
But even going with your theory of their ancestors moved here and no "real British people" go to boxing gyms.....current world champions, Carl Frampton, Scott Quigg, Anthony Crolla, Liam Smith, Terry Flannagan, Lee Selby, BJS, Jamie Mcdonnell & Lee Haskins might not agree with that

TBH I don't know any of them, but I guess they are dwarf fighters, young fighters, of both of them but I'll admit, I'm surprised, I live in Holland and I don't know anyone from my youth who boxed and nobody knows who Tyson Fury is from my (Dutch) friends, I'm the only one interested.

That's funny because you were passing off your opinion, as if you knew what the fornicate you were talking about

Apparently not!

asdfjkl wrote:

davie wrote: current world champions, Carl Frampton, Scott Quigg, Anthony Crolla Liam Smith, Terry Flannagan, Lee Selby, BJS, Jamie Mcdonnell & Lee Haskins

TBH I don't know any of them

You do realize this a boxing forum asdfjkl?

Maybe if you spent less time writing out ridiculous posts banging on about Dutch genetics and other nonsense, and more time actually followingthe sport you would have heard of at least one or two of them.

davie wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

davie wrote: They are British, they were born in Britain, they represented Britain in boxing.
But even going with your theory of their ancestors moved here and no "real British people" go to boxing gyms.....current world champions, Carl Frampton, Scott Quigg, Anthony Crolla, Liam Smith, Terry Flannagan, Lee Selby, BJS, Jamie Mcdonnell & Lee Haskins might not agree with that

TBH I don't know any of them, but I guess they are dwarf fighters, young fighters, of both of them but I'll admit, I'm surprised, I live in Holland and I don't know anyone from my youth who boxed and nobody knows who Tyson Fury is from my (Dutch) friends, I'm the only one interested.

That's funny because you were passing off your opinion, as if you knew what the eff you were talking about

Apparently not!

I only looked at the heavyweights, because it's the only group that could easely handle all other groups when they had a fight and just by looking at the names all of it confirmed the profile. Also, the UK is about 200 miles away from here, I'm surprised they are that differend when it comes to boxing, I'm also surprised how they fight in the babyleagues. In Holland we got kickboxers, they basically dominate the heavyweightleague for over 20 years now. Fury actually sparred one of them and liked it because the kickboxer refused to give up, despite clearly beïng worse in boxing.

@Datsue , I live in a city with people from all over the world, in fact they have the most nationalities compared to any other city in the world, including much much bigger citys. I did like Pim Fortuyn before he got killed, but Geert Wilders absolutely ain't a good leader.

@Tony, If you have the perfect genes for a sport but simply don't do the sport is absolutely something differend as your aunt with a dick.
The Dutch used to be the tallest people on earth before the mass immigration, if you're tall you're often good at basketball, so the Dutch are supposed to be good basketballplayers. Somehow barely anyone plays that game, no instead they play 'Korfball' and guess what? They won the past 6 world cups in a row! With boxing it's the same stuff, the Dutch dominate the kickboxing heavyweight league since the previous century, but don't have any heavyweight boxer out there at all.