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I can't wait for Wilder to vacate and the damage control from his fans on here .

bigman1968 wrote:

kaiserbill wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:Why should he?

Povetkin is a fraud! His record was built fighting with pensioners like Bird and Donald....most of his fight took place in Russia and, at least part of them were fixed...the vs Perez fight was badly fixed - poor Cuban guy stood open and waited for Povetkin punch!!!

His fight with Klichko was embarrasing...he met the canvas 4-5 times following jabs!!! Wlad had to hold him from falling to KO...his performance was much worse than any other Klichko contender as far as I remember...

Someone can explain me why is this bum so appreciated at this forum???

What a stupid post.

So please, explain me the stupid

Almost every single one of your sentences is factually incorrect or false.
You don't even have to leave Boxrec to do even the most basic of research.

most of his fight took place in Russia

Rubbish.
21 of his 31 fights have been outside Russia.
http://boxrec.com/boxer/318081

the vs Perez fight was badly fixed

More rubbish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6kFPCCo5aw

he met the canvas 4-5 times following jabs!!! Wlad had to hold him from falling to KO

More rubbish.
2nd round knockdown was from a left hook.
The 3 knockdowns in round 7 were:
1:from a straight overhand right followed by a push.
2; A hook, followed by a series of uppercuts whilst wrestling.
3: Straight right, uppercuts, and more wrestling and shoving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxF4QzdEDnQ

The "4-5 times" was actually 4 times, so no need to try and hyperbolise. They were not jabs, and a couple at least were dubious.
Povetkin complained about the shoving, and he has a point in at least some of that. Wlad was deducted a point later for persistent infringements.

The other stuff in your post is equally rubbish, and not even worth discussing.
There are actual boxing fans on this site who remember things and have access to the internet.
It is very difficult to figure out why on earth somebody would make a post like you did, with every single sentence basically being wrong.
I'm not surprised many others didn't bother to respond and "explain" as you requested after that drivel, as it is clearly going to be a waste of time.
Using lots of question marks and exclamation marks (!!!!???!!!) does not make something that is false into the truth.

It's Klitschko, by the way. You're misspelling/leaving out 25% of the letters of his surname.

I hope this fight gets made. It would be a good one. I can see both guys hitting the deck.

Povetkin has a much better amateur and pro pedigree. No question about that.

But a devastating Wilder shot can change all that. I agree, can see both fighters on the deck.

Even though Povetkin is better than Spilkva, Spilkva may actually have better defense/head movement. Povetkin just kind of walks in which is good for Deontay.

I agree with the last two posters.
I favour Povetkin for this one, but that is not to say Wilder couldn't win it either.
If it comes off, it could be a cracker of a fight. I doubt it would go the distance.

I feel this is pertinent to the thread:

http://www.skysports.com/share/10136218

WBC saying they've at least entered talks.

dempseyfire wrote:

samwbr wrote:

marvelous marv wrote:Wilder-Povetkin on the Fury-Klitschko undercard in England would be perfect neutral ground for both fighters and set up a defacto four man tournament for the lineal title.

no way would or should Wilder be 2nd on the bill when he has the WBC heavyweight strap.

Who cares? His belt is a paper belt. I rank Povetkin above Wilder in my rankings . . he's as much of a champ as Wilder is.

rank him wherever you like he won't be fighting as support to Fury any time soon.

samwbr wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:

samwbr wrote:
no way would or should Wilder be 2nd on the bill when he has the WBC heavyweight strap.

Who cares? His belt is a paper belt. I rank Povetkin above Wilder in my rankings . . he's as much of a champ as Wilder is.

rank him wherever you like he won't be fighting as support to Fury any time soon.

Exactly, as if his management are going to put him on a Fury undercard - that's tantamount to them saying 'Fury is the main man, our man isn't really a champ'

Whilst many of us might believe that to be true, no management team worth it's salt, would do that to their fighter.

kaiserbill wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

kaiserbill wrote:
What a stupid post.

So please, explain me the stupid

Almost every single one of your sentences is factually incorrect or false.
You don't even have to leave Boxrec to do even the most basic of research.

most of his fight took place in Russia

Rubbish.
21 of his 31 fights have been outside Russia.
http://boxrec.com/boxer/318081

the vs Perez fight was badly fixed

More rubbish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6kFPCCo5aw

he met the canvas 4-5 times following jabs!!! Wlad had to hold him from falling to KO

More rubbish.
2nd round knockdown was from a left hook.
The 3 knockdowns in round 7 were:
1:from a straight overhand right followed by a push.
2; A hook, followed by a series of uppercuts whilst wrestling.
3: Straight right, uppercuts, and more wrestling and shoving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxF4QzdEDnQ

The "4-5 times" was actually 4 times, so no need to try and hyperbolise. They were not jabs, and a couple at least were dubious.
Povetkin complained about the shoving, and he has a point in at least some of that. Wlad was deducted a point later for persistent infringements.

The other stuff in your post is equally rubbish, and not even worth discussing.
There are actual boxing fans on this site who remember things and have access to the internet.
It is very difficult to figure out why on earth somebody would make a post like you did, with every single sentence basically being wrong.
I'm not surprised many others didn't bother to respond and "explain" as you requested after that drivel, as it is clearly going to be a waste of time.
Using lots of question marks and exclamation marks (!!!!???!!!) does not make something that is false into the truth.

It's Klitschko, by the way. You're misspelling/leaving out 25% of the letters of his surname.

This probably covers most of it

punchoutsb wrote:Wilder has yet to prove he'll fight anywhere ...

... and someone that counts.

bigman1968 wrote:
What Povetkin record???
40yo,out of shape Rahman? 40yo,2 years out of ring Donald(it went the distance!!!)??
Same Firtha, that was cleaned by Wilder in first round, and they also went the distance???

His only decent fight was with Chagaev...boring 12 rounds that could also go to Chagayev if he was Russian(he is Uzbek).

Povetkin got the fight with The Man only becouse of 24M$ that was paid by pro-Putin olygarch to make "patriotic show" in Moscow...but it went terribly wrong and Povetkin made punching bag performance.

Both Wilder and Povetkin (and any other top boxer) have their "bum list", so let's not make Povetkin great...he really isn't...

OK, so you've dealt with 3 fights of Alexander pre-title resume, let's dig a little deeper

The experienced Larry Donald was comprehensively out classed in Povetkin's 13th fight. Let's not go that far back on Deontay's record, he hadn't face an opponent of that calibre by his thirtieth bout let alone his thirteenth

His next bout, only his 14th was against former world titlist Chris Byrd, his 15th was 30-0 Chambers (versus Gavern, Scott, A-farce Harrison, Liakhovich on Deontay's record?)

Having then moved himself into a mandatory position, he was kept waiting and filled the next 3 1/2 years with keep busy type fights until he got to Chagaev. Yes he faced Firtha (3 years and 3 losses before Deontay faced him.) but let's not pretend that it was a significant bout for either man. Firtha was a journeyman nothing more, nothing less. A keep busy fight.

The Chagaev vs Stiverne comparison? Not much in it for me to be honest. Solid points wins, over solid competition at the lower end of world class.

As WBA ordinary "champion" he faced Boswell 35-1-0, Huck 34-1-0, Rahman 50-7-2, Wawrzyk 27-0-0, in which he dealt with mandatories, unbeaten fighters, former champions and the main man at cruiser. (compared to Molina, Duhaupas and Szpilka, what was a decent, if not spectacular, run of defences for Alexander, starts to look genuinely admirable)

He then faced the man. Did he take a little too long to take on Wlad, did he make a poor account of himself? we could debate these all day. The bottom line is he faced up to the no1 undisputed champion of the division and recorded his only loss and the champ had to resort to the worst wrestling even he has performed in a world title bout because he knew the threat Povetkin posed.
Wilder has never (and likely will never) be able to claim this

Then let's look at his last 4 fights. Demolition jobs on Charr, Wach and Perez and a solid win against Takam.
Bearing in mind that these are not title defences, simply fights to move him into a mandatory position (remember Gavern, Scott, Firtha and Liakhovic were the guys Wilder fought to get there)
But lets compare them to Wilders last few opponents shall we.
Molina is ranked below all 4,
Duhaupas ranked behind all but Charr
And Takam and Perez are currently ranked ahead of Szpilka who has just in his last fight fought for a world title.
That's the boxrec ranking now (not perfect, I'm sure, but fairly representative I think)
I'm sure if you took the ranking of those respective opponents at the time they actually fought them, the evidence would be even more damning

Because if anything is certain in life, it's that trying to argue on a boxing forum in favour of Deontay Wilder, the LAST thing you want to do is start comparing records!

davie wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:
What Povetkin record???
40yo,out of shape Rahman? 40yo,2 years out of ring Donald(it went the distance!!!)??
Same Firtha, that was cleaned by Wilder in first round, and they also went the distance???

His only decent fight was with Chagaev...boring 12 rounds that could also go to Chagayev if he was Russian(he is Uzbek).

Povetkin got the fight with The Man only becouse of 24M$ that was paid by pro-Putin olygarch to make "patriotic show" in Moscow...but it went terribly wrong and Povetkin made punching bag performance.

Both Wilder and Povetkin (and any other top boxer) have their "bum list", so let's not make Povetkin great...he really isn't...

OK, so you've dealt with 3 fights of Alexander pre-title resume, let's dig a little deeper

The experienced Larry Donald was comprehensively out classed in Povetkin's 13th fight. Let's not go that far back on Deontay's record, he hadn't face an opponent of that calibre by his thirtieth bout let alone his thirteenth

His next bout, only his 14th was against former world titlist Chris Byrd, his 15th was 30-0 Chambers (versus Gavern, Scott, A-farce Harrison, Liakhovich on Deontay's record?)

Having then moved himself into a mandatory position, he was kept waiting and filled the next 3 1/2 years with keep busy type fights until he got to Chagaev. Yes he faced Firtha (3 years and 3 losses before Deontay faced him.) but let's not pretend that it was a significant bout for either man. Firtha was a journeyman nothing more, nothing less. A keep busy fight.

The Chagaev vs Stiverne comparison? Not much in it for me to be honest. Solid points wins, over solid competition at the lower end of world class.

As WBA ordinary "champion" he faced Boswell 35-1-0, Huck 34-1-0, Rahman 50-7-2, Wawrzyk 27-0-0, in which he dealt with mandatories, unbeaten fighters, former champions and the main man at cruiser. (compared to Molina, Duhaupas and Szpilka, what was a decent, if not spectacular, run of defences for Alexander, starts to look genuinely admirable)

He then faced the man. Did he take a little too long to take on Wlad, did he make a poor account of himself? we could debate these all day. The bottom line is he faced up to the no1 undisputed champion of the division and recorded his only loss and the champ had to resort to the worst wrestling even he has performed in a world title bout because he knew the threat Povetkin posed.
Wilder has never (and likely will never) be able to claim this

Then let's look at his last 4 fights. Demolition jobs on Charr, Wach and Perez and a solid win against Takam.
Bearing in mind that these are not title defences, simply fights to move him into a mandatory position (remember Gavern, Scott, Firtha and Liakhovic were the guys Wilder fought to get there)
But lets compare them to Wilders last few opponents shall we.
Molina is ranked below all 4,
Duhaupas ranked behind all but Charr
And Takam and Perez are currently ranked ahead of Szpilka who has just in his last fight fought for a world title.
That's the boxrec ranking now (not perfect, I'm sure, but fairly representative I think)
I'm sure if you took the ranking of those respective opponents at the time they actually fought them, the evidence would be even more damning

Because if anything is certain in life, it's that trying to argue on a boxing forum in favour of Deontay Wilder, the LAST thing you want to do is start comparing records!

Finally fair compare of the "bum list"s of Wilder vs Povetkin...both fought a lot of "nobody" and practically retired guys...

The point I don't understand is why Povetkin is glorified at this forum and Wilder gets a huge disrespect?

I believe that if Wilfer will get paid half of 17M$ Klichko got - his team will take him to Moscow!

Pro boxing is business, after all

dempseyfire wrote:

samwbr wrote:

marvelous marv wrote:Wilder-Povetkin on the Fury-Klitschko undercard in England would be perfect neutral ground for both fighters and set up a defacto four man tournament for the lineal title.

no way would or should Wilder be 2nd on the bill when he has the WBC heavyweight strap.

Who cares? His belt is a paper belt. I rank Povetkin above Wilder in my rankings . . he's as much of a champ as Wilder is.

Sure...Povetkin best ever...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DszKy1KBBfw

Perfect punching bag

bigman1968 wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:

samwbr wrote:
no way would or should Wilder be 2nd on the bill when he has the WBC heavyweight strap.

Who cares? His belt is a paper belt. I rank Povetkin above Wilder in my rankings . . he's as much of a champ as Wilder is.

Sure...Povetkin best ever...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DszKy1KBBfw

Perfect punching bag

Wilder would never even fight Klitschko let alone last the distance.

dempseyfire wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:
Who cares? His belt is a paper belt. I rank Povetkin above Wilder in my rankings . . he's as much of a champ as Wilder is.

Sure...Povetkin best ever...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DszKy1KBBfw

Perfect punching bag

Wilder would never even fight Klitschko let alone last the distance.

Distance? Same as Wacz or Jennings? Klichko rarely KO's someone early in the fight. He always wanted to give some show for the money he was paid-)))

And in Povetkin case, I believe that it was agreed not to KO Povetkin in the center of Moscow at the middle of the "patriotic" show Ryabinsky arranged. Vlad could finish it in second round....and surely in seventh....

Wilder is a pu$$y. He will vacate and run away from Povetkin and fight that bum Martin to get his IBF belt and continue to claim that he is a "world champion".

"Wilder says he won't go to Russia to fight Povetkin"

..not sure he's anxious to fight Povetkin even in his own backyard...

Wilder may vacate the WBC title and fight Charles Martin next.

http://www.BS.com/povetkins-pr ... in--100804

Unification bouts always trump mandatories, if that actually is the route he chooses to go. Why in the fornicate would he vacate?

I personally hope he fights Povetkin before he does anything else, otherwise it will look bad and he will deserve to be criticized. I think the only way he fights Martin is if negotiations with Povetkin hit a snag.