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Tarkus wrote:It is early for AJ to fight a world class operator yet. In a year time perhaps. Anyone criticizing team Joshua for not wanting to fight Haye now is out of his mind. You have to move up gradually.

Hearn makes perfect sense. IBF strap is there for the taking. Get it first, then make a big fight.

Controversial wrote: I don't recall him being in any real trouble to be honest, at the end of the day any heavyweight hit flush by a big punching 17-18 stone man will feel it, I don't get the train of thought that to have a great chin you must be impervious to pain and able to take any punch your hit with. Plenty of great fighters have been hurt, dropped or knocked out in their careers.

Finn wrote:

Tarkus wrote:It is early for AJ to fight a world class operator yet. In a year time perhaps. Anyone criticizing team Joshua for not wanting to fight Haye now is out of his mind. You have to move up gradually.

Hearn makes perfect sense. IBF strap is there for the taking. Get it first, then make a big fight.

I agree but i think the issue is that Hearn and Joshua believed their own hype so much they had all but booked wembley for Haye v Joshua in the summer, they were talking all nonsense about how they could beat Fury and Haye. Now Joshua has failed to blow out an opponent they have ran for the hills. I know its a hype industry but if you give it large and dont back it up you get called on it, now they look like tits.

freddydoesdallas wrote:I do get where people are coming from when they say that Joshua is a 15 fight novice and the likes of Lewis were not under pressure to fight a similar level of opponents to Haye.

However, Joshua is likely to be on ppv for the rest of his career and because of that, heart has forced an increase in the level of opposition. If he stays on ppv, he must fight Haye this year. If he goes back to Sat night sky then.he can continue his development at any pace

Tarkus wrote:

Finn wrote:

Tarkus wrote:It is early for AJ to fight a world class operator yet. In a year time perhaps. Anyone criticizing team Joshua for not wanting to fight Haye now is out of his mind. You have to move up gradually.

Hearn makes perfect sense. IBF strap is there for the taking. Get it first, then make a big fight.

I agree but i think the issue is that Hearn and Joshua believed their own hype so much they had all but booked wembley for Haye v Joshua in the summer, they were talking all nonsense about how they could beat Fury and Haye. Now Joshua has failed to blow out an opponent they have ran for the hills. I know its a hype industry but if you give it large and dont back it up you get called on it, now they look like tits.

Where have you seen Joshua saying those things. If anything he is criticized for been too politically correct, stay humble and stuff. Hearns have said stupid things, but we are used to that from promoters.

Tuan_Jim wrote:Joshua/Haye is a natural fight and a money spinner - and the sort of big name scalp Joshua could do with on his CV (couldn't bear to write 'resume'), especially at a time when contenders are preserving records and rankings while fighting nobodies. Joshua by beating Haye would confirm his status as the heir presumed.

Instead Hearn says Haye doesn't fit in with his plan of Joshua fighting for a world title. Translation: 'My guy's got a glass chin and Haye can still hit. Do you have Charles Martin's number?'

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/boxing/48826 ... ssive-blow

SMALL AXE1 wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:Joshua/Haye is a natural fight and a money spinner - and the sort of big name scalp Joshua could do with on his CV (couldn't bear to write 'resume'), especially at a time when contenders are preserving records and rankings while fighting nobodies. Joshua by beating Haye would confirm his status as the heir presumed.

Instead Hearn says Haye doesn't fit in with his plan of Joshua fighting for a world title. Translation: 'My guy's got a glass chin and Haye can still hit. Do you have Charles Martin's number?'

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/boxing/48826 ... ssive-blow

Haye needs the money and knows AJ is an easy 2 round fight-if that!!

Haye has no belt - no form and beat a guy that was hit twice by hughie fury in sparring and ran out the ring.

Hayes a fraud a liar and to throw his words about Fury in his face "doesn't deserve the pay day - the boxing gods seem to be pointing that way"

coneye wrote:
100% correct , they can't have it borh ways .. PPV and fighting given wins ,, ,, they want the money , lay it on the table ,,

ILikeBeer wrote:

coneye wrote:
100% correct , they can't have it borh ways .. PPV and fighting given wins ,, ,, they want the money , lay it on the table ,,

They won't though, will they?

The reason? People keep ordering them. If people order the PPVs to watch Joshua beat some journeymen inside of two rounds, they'll keep making those kind of fights. If there's mega-money to be made from low risk fights, Hearn will take it. He's a business man at the end of the day.

What Hearn won't do is modify his behaviour based on what people on an internet forum say of him. Hearn is only taking opportunities because people stump up money to watch name fighters, irregardless of fight quality. The only incentive to take higher risk fights, is if there's no money to be made on lower risk fights.

Part of the problem is Hearn greed, but a bigger part of the problem is that people are prepared to fund it.

Counter-puncher wrote:

SMALL AXE1 wrote:
Haye has no belt - no form and beat a guy that hughie fury hit twice in sparring and ran out the ring.
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huh? you're talking about Demori being ran out of the ring by Hughie, have i understood you right there?

freddydoesdallas wrote:I do get where people are coming from when they say that Joshua is a 15 fight novice and the likes of Lewis were not under pressure to fight a similar level of opponents to Haye.

However, Joshua is likely to be on ppv for the rest of his career and because of that, heart has forced an increase in the level of opposition. If he stays on ppv, he must fight Haye this year. If he goes back to Sat night sky then.he can continue his development at any pace

95gerog wrote:

freddydoesdallas wrote:I do get where people are coming from when they say that Joshua is a 15 fight novice and the likes of Lewis were not under pressure to fight a similar level of opponents to Haye.

However, Joshua is likely to be on ppv for the rest of his career and because of that, heart has forced an increase in the level of opposition. If he stays on ppv, he must fight Haye this year. If he goes back to Sat night sky then.he can continue his development at any pace

whilst we would like this to be the case i disagree, i think lots of people will buy ppv to watch him spark fights below Haye's level. Some of us may not buy unless the card is stacked, but i think plenty will. People are well on board the train.