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Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 08:34
by Horse
ttornado wrote:Why is it cowardly? But 12 rounds wouldn't be? Odd thinking there.
Fighting over ten rounds to stay busy is perfectly reasonable.
There is a wealth of historical precedence for such fights.
He'll be stripped of his title if he loses, so he's just making his fight less important.
Rigo is awful at marketing himself. Rigo is a fool.
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 08:53
by bripez
ttornado wrote:Horse wrote:Why would he be worried about being robbed over 12 rounds, but not 10 rounds?
Less at stake if it's a non-title fight
Can you have a non-title 12 rounder ?
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 09:11
by Boxerbeetle
Rigo is undoubtedly a great technician but, to be perfectly honest, 10 rounds can sometimes feel like 30 rounds when he's fighting. I'm glad it's not a 12 rounder.
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 09:27
by Boxing Prospect
bripez wrote:ttornado wrote:Horse wrote:Why would he be worried about being robbed over 12 rounds, but not 10 rounds?
Less at stake if it's a non-title fight
Can you have a non-title 12 rounder ?
Yes, plenty of eliminators have been
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 10:02
by ttornado
Horse wrote:He'll be stripped of his title if he loses, so he's just making his fight less important.
Seems more like a business decision, rather than cowardice as you put it.
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 10:08
by Horse
ttornado wrote:Seems more like a business decision, rather than cowardice as you put it.
2 less rounds = Profit?
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 10:19
by ttornado
Horse wrote:2 less rounds = Profit?
If it's the difference between a fight or no fight.
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 10:24
by Horse
ttornado wrote:If it's the difference between a fight or no fight.
Why?
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 10:35
by ttornado
Horse wrote:Why?
The why is unknown, just the is, which is the fight has been made a 10 rounder.
I could understand your anger and confusion if it was a 6 or 8 rounder.
But 10 seems fine for this kind of fight, testing the waters in a new country.
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 10:40
by simonwalsh
Horse wrote:ttornado wrote:Seems more like a business decision, rather than cowardice as you put it.
2 less rounds = Profit?
For the show overall, yes, most likely. If Rigo says it's 10 or nothing then there's certainly gonna be an upshoot in ticket sales with him being there versus not.
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 10:44
by Horse
ttornado wrote:The why is unknown, just the is, which is the fight has been made a 10 rounder.
I could understand your anger and confusion if it was a 6 or 8 rounder.
But 10 seems fine for this kind of fight, testing the waters in a new country.
He has to test the waters by taking a couple rounds off the length of the fight?
The chances are that the "why" is stupid, because Rigondeaux makes many bad decisions as far as his career goes.
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 10:45
by Horse
simonwalsh wrote:For the show overall, yes, most likely. If Rigo says it's 10 or nothing then there's certainly gonna be an upshoot in ticket sales with him being there versus not.
But, why would he say that?
Rigondeaux is a clueless joker.
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 11:29
by simonwalsh
Horse wrote:simonwalsh wrote:For the show overall, yes, most likely. If Rigo says it's 10 or nothing then there's certainly gonna be an upshoot in ticket sales with him being there versus not.
But, why would he say that?
Rigondeaux is a clueless joker.
I don't know why he'd do that, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility. From his side of things I'm sure he's thinking "If you want me to come over and fight a nobody (from a global perspective), in another country, on someone's undercard, then you do it on my terms"
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 11:42
by Horse
simonwalsh wrote:I don't know why he'd do that, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility. From his side of things I'm sure he's thinking "If you want me to come over and fight a nobody (from a global perspective), in another country, on someone's undercard, then you do it on my terms"
It's to help him get the Quigg vs Frampton winner. I'd have told him to bugger off.
Who does this guy think he is? Such arrogance.
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 11:46
by mickey1975
It was common practice not too long ago for champions to have non title bouts. Chavez loved them. The promoter saves on importing all the officials and not paying sanctioning fees and paying smaller purses. Rigo keeps busy and gets exposure in Frampton/Quigg's backyard. Excellent business decision by Rigo.
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 11:49
by Horse
mickey1975 wrote:It was common practice not too long ago for champions to have non title bouts. Chavez loved them. The promoter saves on importing all the officials and not paying sanctioning fees and paying smaller purses. Rigo keeps busy and gets exposure in Frampton/Quigg's backyard. Excellent business decision by Rigo.
Massively reducing the importance of the fight and losing vital publicity and prestige.
Yeah, great one.
Rigo doesn't have a clue what he is doing.
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 11:59
by ttornado
Horse wrote:Massively reducing the importance of the fight
His last fight was a 10 rounder for WBC International Silver thingy so why shouldn't this one be?
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 12:03
by Horse
ttornado wrote:And Rigondeaux's last 12 rounder was so important why?
Because he got put on his bum and made to look daft.
I'm sure it would have sold a lot less tickets and gained less attention if it was a silly little non-title 10 rounder.
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 12:03
by cocobongo
I'm still in shock that Rigo is going to fight in Liverpool, Obviously be rooting for Dickens love an underdog and always try and support the local lads but he's just a fighter I would never get to see fight live delighted he is coming!
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 12:04
by Horse
ttornado wrote:His last fight was a 10 rounder for WBC International Silver thingy so why shouldn't this one be?
Because his last fight was horrendous and it is a bad idea.
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 12:07
by palooka
Naandrew wrote:Massive respect to Jazza he has nothing to lose
Yeah, fair play to him though I remember, Willie Casey v Rigo.
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 12:40
by MarkMcBurney
Horse wrote:simonwalsh wrote:I don't know why he'd do that, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility. From his side of things I'm sure he's thinking "If you want me to come over and fight a nobody (from a global perspective), in another country, on someone's undercard, then you do it on my terms"
It's to help him get the Quigg vs Frampton winner. I'd have told him to bugger off.
Who does this guy think he is? Such arrogance.
Who does he think he is? Maybe the best fighter by a distance in the division, and one of the best on the planet?
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 12:42
by Horse
MarkMcBurney wrote:Who does he think he is? Maybe the best fighter by a distance in the division, and one of the best on the planet?
Frampton and Quigg are better.
Rigondeaux is a ridiculously overrated fighter.
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 12:42
by palooka
Rigo would be behind Martin Murray in Horse's top 30.
Re: Rigo v Jazza Dickens
Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 12:49
by Horse
palooka wrote:Rigo would be behind Martin Murray in Horse's top 30.
No, Rigondeaux would still be ahead, but he's living off the past.
His win over Donaire was almost 3 years ago now and he hasn't done a great deal since then.