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Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:What BS has been exposed, turB, besides your lack of reading comprehension?

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FMJ took the easy way out for the majority of the last decade. FMJ was risk averse, especially (but not limited to) in his last four fights.

Khan, Sometimes, Ramming Speed, Brook, etc., were more risk than FMJ was willing to take.

How could someone think Pac and Floyd would avoid a guy that got flattened by Swift AND PEDerson at 140?

How about Khan never did a single thing, not one, to be anywhere near either guys radar.

You want to ask questions, ask why guys like Amir and Brook never called out the next echelon.

Never heard Khan angle for a fight with Bradley. Never heard Brook call JMM out.

Truth is, at 147 Khan would get blasted by several guys Pac and Floyd owned.

Hell, we saw the proof with Algieri. Pac had him down 6 times (and probably
spared knocking him out because he admired his willingness to keep getting up).

I may be in the minority, but I'd love to see Khan try Berto- I bet Amir leaves on a stretcher.

Amir is doing the same thing he has been doing for years now, looking for a big payday.

Glad he finally got one. And he will get paid very well for one or two rounds of running
til Kid Cinnamon catches up to him and gives him a Kirkland-like out of body experience.

koolkc107 wrote:How could someone think Pac and Floyd would avoid a guy that got flattened by Swift AND PEDerson at 140?

How about Khan never did a single thing, not one, to be anywhere near either guys radar.

You want to ask questions, ask why guys like Amir and Brook never called out the next echelon.

Never heard Khan angle for a fight with Bradley. Never heard Brook call JMM out.

Truth is, at 147 Khan would get blasted by several guys Pac and Floyd owned.

Hell, we saw the proof with Algieri. Pac had him down 6 times (and probably
spared knocking him out because he admired his willingness to keep getting up).

I may be in the minority, but I'd love to see Khan try Berto- I bet Amir leaves on a stretcher.

Amir is doing the same thing he has been doing for years now, looking for a big payday.

Glad he finally got one. And he will get paid very well for one or two rounds of running
til Kid Cinnamon catches up to him and gives him a Kirkland-like out of body experience.

A more appropriate question is why FMJ would choose to fight Berto and Pac would choose to fight Ramming Speed for a third time over fighting Khan, or Sometimes or Brook or Danny or Porter?

Simple answer; risk aversion.

Tanzio wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:How could someone think Pac and Floyd would avoid a guy that got flattened by Swift AND PEDerson at 140?

How about Khan never did a single thing, not one, to be anywhere near either guys radar.

You want to ask questions, ask why guys like Amir and Brook never called out the next echelon.

Never heard Khan angle for a fight with Bradley. Never heard Brook call JMM out.

Truth is, at 147 Khan would get blasted by several guys Pac and Floyd owned.

Hell, we saw the proof with Algieri. Pac had him down 6 times (and probably
spared knocking him out because he admired his willingness to keep getting up).

I may be in the minority, but I'd love to see Khan try Berto- I bet Amir leaves on a stretcher.

Amir is doing the same thing he has been doing for years now, looking for a big payday.

Glad he finally got one. And he will get paid very well for one or two rounds of running
til Kid Cinnamon catches up to him and gives him a Kirkland-like out of body experience.

A more appropriate question is why FMJ would choose to fight Berto and Pac would choose to fight Ramming Speed for a third time over fighting Khan, or Sometimes or Brook or Danny or Porter?

Simple answer; risk aversion.

No.

You are climbing the ladder, you don't fight has beens and never weres to earn the big shot.

The biggest name on Khan's welter resume is Alexander, who he fought a year after it could
have actually led to a shot against Floyd. A Devon who'd already lost to Porter.

How does that equal a title shot? Ever?

Brook's biggest laurel is a questionable decision against Porter.

None of the guys you named have gone anywhere near the bottom 2 of the 4 horsemen.

None of them fought Bradley or JMM.

When a victory over either would have made a fight against Pac or Floyd all but mandatory.

Seems like a lot of the new guard hasn't learned the old school truth.

You have to earn your shot.

No you don't, very few shots in modern boxing are 'earned'.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:No you don't, very few shots in modern boxing are 'earned'.

Just ask Eric Molina, Johann Duhaupas, Sergio Mora...and many, many more. By comparison to those guys Khan has earned the hell out of his shot .

koolkc107 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:How could someone think Pac and Floyd would avoid a guy that got flattened by Swift AND PEDerson at 140?

How about Khan never did a single thing, not one, to be anywhere near either guys radar.

You want to ask questions, ask why guys like Amir and Brook never called out the next echelon.

Never heard Khan angle for a fight with Bradley. Never heard Brook call JMM out.

Truth is, at 147 Khan would get blasted by several guys Pac and Floyd owned.

Hell, we saw the proof with Algieri. Pac had him down 6 times (and probably
spared knocking him out because he admired his willingness to keep getting up).

I may be in the minority, but I'd love to see Khan try Berto- I bet Amir leaves on a stretcher.

Amir is doing the same thing he has been doing for years now, looking for a big payday.

Glad he finally got one. And he will get paid very well for one or two rounds of running
til Kid Cinnamon catches up to him and gives him a Kirkland-like out of body experience.

A more appropriate question is why FMJ would choose to fight Berto and Pac would choose to fight Ramming Speed for a third time over fighting Khan, or Sometimes or Brook or Danny or Porter?

Simple answer; risk aversion.

No.

You are climbing the ladder, you don't fight has beens and never weres to earn the big shot.

The biggest name on Khan's welter resume is Alexander, who he fought a year after it could
have actually led to a shot against Floyd. A Devon who'd already lost to Porter.

How does that equal a title shot? Ever?

Brook's biggest laurel is a questionable decision against Porter.

None of the guys you named have gone anywhere near the bottom 2 of the 4 horsemen.

None of them fought Bradley or JMM.

When a victory over either would have made a fight against Pac or Floyd all but mandatory.

Seems like a lot of the new guard hasn't learned the old school truth.

You have to earn your shot.

All excuses. FMJ and Pac are risk averse.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:It's already been proven and admitted by Freddie Roach that it was Manny's fault that fight didn't happen in 2010.

Khan doesn't have any guns to blaze, dude hits like a b*tch which is why every fighter he's faced recently has walked him down.

oscar dela hoya would have found a way
to fight manny in 2010 if he had been in
floyd's shoes. floyd is not a duck, but clearly
a fighter who did not want to prove himself
against the very best available.

on khan. he switched to wlad's ways in
recent fights, before that he was a great,
though pretty stupid attacker. against floyd
i think he would at least have considered
to put everything on the line, meaning to
attack like crazy.

Both Berto and Bradley scored KO stoppages over well regarded competition.

They certainly deserved it more from those performances than Khan,
who clearly had problems with Algieri, a fighter not on either Rios's
or Lopez's level.

We can go around like this all day.

Bottom line, Khan not getting the fights he wanted are on Khan.

He needed to fight better fighters or do better against the ones he did fight.

Amir did neither.

koolkc107 wrote:Both Berto and Bradley scored KO stoppages over well regarded competition.

They certainly deserved it more from those performances than Khan,
who clearly had problems with Algieri, a fighter not on either Rios's
or Lopez's level.

We can go around like this all day.

Bottom line, Khan not getting the fights he wanted are on Khan.

He needed to fight better fighters or do better against the ones he did fight.

Amir did neither.

Khan got his fight. FMJ and Pac avoided the risk. FMJ more than Pac.

littlepug wrote: don't know which fans your talking about, we (the brits) don't call him out because we don't care all we are interested in is seeing good fights, if the good fights don't happen then they don't happen, khans fought some good fighters and is usually in good fights and yes he has wasted a lot of time trying to secure big fights but its his career and he can do as he pleases, im not really into slagging off boxers they've got a hard enough job as it is without being judged by a load of keyboard warriors that have never laced them up, and in terms of brit fan bias I think your confusing the casual fan with dedicated boxing fans

Good comment. I never understand why so many fans on here have to be so f*cking nasty. Khan has not taken easy fights. He doesn't deserve the abuse coming his way.

Tanzio wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Both Berto and Bradley scored KO stoppages over well regarded competition.

They certainly deserved it more from those performances than Khan,
who clearly had problems with Algieri, a fighter not on either Rios's
or Lopez's level.

We can go around like this all day.

Bottom line, Khan not getting the fights he wanted are on Khan.

He needed to fight better fighters or do better against the ones he did fight.

Amir did neither.

Khan got his fight. FMJ and Pac avoided the risk. FMJ more than Pac.

Khan got a ticket to the ICU for a pittance fraction of what he would have got
if he would had earned his shot the right way.

Canelo is probably going to be brought up on felony charges right after they cart
Amir's unconscious husk away in an ambulance.

koolkc107 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Both Berto and Bradley scored KO stoppages over well regarded competition.

They certainly deserved it more from those performances than Khan,
who clearly had problems with Algieri, a fighter not on either Rios's
or Lopez's level.

We can go around like this all day.

Bottom line, Khan not getting the fights he wanted are on Khan.

He needed to fight better fighters or do better against the ones he did fight.

Amir did neither.

Khan got his fight. FMJ and Pac avoided the risk. FMJ more than Pac.

Khan got a ticket to the ICU for a pittance fraction of what he would have got
if he would had earned his shot the right way.

Canelo is probably going to be brought up on felony charges right after they cart
Amir's unconscious husk away in an ambulance.

Khan will get an excellent payday.

What we did not see is a pulse of a fight in FMJ's alleged swansong. What we will see is Pac v Ramming Speed III rather than a far more intriguing Khan fight.

koolkc107 wrote:Canelo is probably going to be brought up on felony charges right after they cart
Amir's unconscious husk away in an ambulance.

and you will sit on your couch and
enjoy he spectacle. it is beyond me
why people love to hack things like
your comment into their key board.

to me watching a dangerous sport
requires respect for the risks these
men take, cause occasionally it does
happen and people carry an "unconscious
husk away in an ambulance".

whatever, you fourteen year olds
have your own standards.

man wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Canelo is probably going to be brought up on felony charges right after they cart
Amir's unconscious husk away in an ambulance.

and you will sit on your couch and
enjoy he spectacle. it is beyond me
why people love to hack things like
your comment into their key board.

to me watching a dangerous sport
requires respect for the risks these
men take, cause occasionally it does
happen and people carry an "unconscious
husk away in an ambulance".

whatever, you fourteen year olds
have your own standards.

Of course I will enjoy it.
I watch boxing mainly because I love seeing a skilled fighter
use the science to defend him or herself.

But I'd be lying if I said I didn't also enjoy watching a skilled guy get a KO.

And so do you.

Now, if you take issue with the words I used to predict what I think
will happen, by all means, let me agree that is your opinion and your right.

But, if you really have the respect for the sport you say you do then
your argument should be with the folks who have allowed such a
clear and obvious- and dangerous- mismatch to be made in the first place.

Your gripe should be with the folks who saw what happened to Abdusalamov
yet essentially changed exactly nothing in how things are done in our sport.

You want to call me juvenile, that's fine, especially in lieu of some of the
none too bright things I've seen you post- trust me, it is no issue to me at all.

But if you want to get serious, a boxing message board is not the place to have any effect.

Get out and do something about it if you feel that strongly.

Tanzio wrote:A more appropriate question is why FMJ would choose to fight Berto and Pac would choose to fight Ramming Speed for a third time over fighting Khan, or Sometimes or Brook or Danny or Porter? Simple answer; risk aversion.

Somehow you see Khan as this big risk and I just don't get it; first of all it isn't like he's got crazy one punch power or has been putting fighters to sleep, second dude doesn't have a beard at all, third all he does is backpedal when someone comes forward on him and he doesn't know how to counterpunch.

Berto is far more dangerous than Khan, he has decent punching power, can take a shot, doesn't do anything but come forward and has more heart than Khan.

Khan ran from Algieiri who can punch his way out of a wet paper bag and you somehow call this cat a "risk".

Lawd boxing fans today.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:A more appropriate question is why FMJ would choose to fight Berto and Pac would choose to fight Ramming Speed for a third time over fighting Khan, or Sometimes or Brook or Danny or Porter? Simple answer; risk aversion.

Somehow you see Khan as this big risk and I just don't get it; first of all it isn't like he's got crazy one punch power or has been putting fighters to sleep, second dude doesn't have a beard at all, third all he does is backpedal when someone comes forward on him and he doesn't know how to counterpunch.

Berto is far more dangerous than Khan, he has decent punching power, can take a shot, doesn't do anything but come forward and has more heart than Khan.

Khan ran from Algieiri who can punch his way out of a wet paper bag and you somehow call this cat a "risk".

Lawd boxing fans today.

I know what you mean.

Hell, if Khan got up the nad to square off against Berto, I'd fly (not walk, not run, fly)
to the nearest book to reap the windfall that would surely be there from all that Brit
cash mistakenly bet on Amir.

Yeah, Khan might box his ears off a few rounds.

But Andre is bigger, faster, and punches way harder than Swift...and would knock Khan silly sooner or later.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:A more appropriate question is why FMJ would choose to fight Berto and Pac would choose to fight Ramming Speed for a third time over fighting Khan, or Sometimes or Brook or Danny or Porter? Simple answer; risk aversion.

Somehow you see Khan as this big risk and I just don't get it; first of all it isn't like he's got crazy one punch power or has been putting fighters to sleep, second dude doesn't have a beard at all, third all he does is backpedal when someone comes forward on him and he doesn't know how to counterpunch.

Berto is far more dangerous than Khan, he has decent punching power, can take a shot, doesn't do anything but come forward and has more heart than Khan.

Khan ran from Algieiri who can punch his way out of a wet paper bag and you somehow call this cat a "risk".

Lawd boxing fans today.

I never said that I consider him a risk. FMJ and Pac consider him too big of a risk.

koolkc107 wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:A more appropriate question is why FMJ would choose to fight Berto and Pac would choose to fight Ramming Speed for a third time over fighting Khan, or Sometimes or Brook or Danny or Porter? Simple answer; risk aversion.

Somehow you see Khan as this big risk and I just don't get it; first of all it isn't like he's got crazy one punch power or has been putting fighters to sleep, second dude doesn't have a beard at all, third all he does is backpedal when someone comes forward on him and he doesn't know how to counterpunch.

Berto is far more dangerous than Khan, he has decent punching power, can take a shot, doesn't do anything but come forward and has more heart than Khan.

Khan ran from Algieiri who can punch his way out of a wet paper bag and you somehow call this cat a "risk".

Lawd boxing fans today.

I know what you mean.

Hell, if Khan got up the nad to square off against Berto, I'd fly (not walk, not run, fly)
to the nearest book to reap the windfall that would surely be there from all that Brit
cash mistakenly bet on Amir.

Yeah, Khan might box his ears off a few rounds.

But Andre is bigger, faster, and punches way harder than Swift...and would knock Khan silly sooner or later.

Pure conjecture. Khan v FMJ, Pac, Berto or Ramming Speed would be better than FMJ v Berto, Pac v Ramming Speed Or GingerHead v Khan, imo.

Tanzio wrote:I never said that I consider him a risk. FMJ and Pac consider him too big of a risk.

Simple answer; risk aversion

Maybe reading comprehension is not my strong suit but reading between the lines it does appear to me that you are suggesting that they (Floyd and Manny) avoided Khan because of some "perceived" (in your mind) Risk.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:I never said that I consider him a risk. FMJ and Pac consider him too big of a risk.

Simple answer; risk aversion

Maybe reading comprehension is not my strong suit but reading between the lines it does appear to me that you are suggesting that they (Floyd and Manny) avoided Khan because of some "perceived" (in your mind) Risk.

Not perceived in my mind, simply a risk v reward calculation in Pac's and FMJ's minds.

I just don't see Pac or Floyd having any worry at all about a fighter that got
KOed by Swift, manhandled by Peterson, and was unimpressive against Algieri.

The only risk/reward calculation to do with Khan is how much money he'd ask for
versus how much less you could pay a guy just as or more dangerous.

Hence, Berto and HeadQuarters.

Tanzio wrote:Not perceived in my mind, simply a risk v reward calculation in Pac's and FMJ's minds.

Again, here you are suggesting that they avoided Khan because of some fantasy risk in your own mind.

What risk does Khan pose?? Dude isn't a big puncher, has one of the worst chins in the sport and isn't a come forward fighter nor does he know how to counterpunch and his defense isn't exactly unpenetrable.

It isn't likely that he'd be able to outbox Manny and most definitely cannot outbox Floyd, so you go ahead with your fantasy of this perceived risk that the Ultra-dangerous, one punch KO artist, master boxer supposedly imposes.

koolkc107 wrote:I just don't see Pac or Floyd having any worry at all about a fighter that got
KOed by Swift, manhandled by Peterson, and was unimpressive against Algieri.

The only risk/reward calculation to do with Khan is how much money he'd ask for
versus how much less you could pay a guy just as or more dangerous.

Hence, Berto and HeadQuarters.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:Not perceived in my mind, simply a risk v reward calculation in Pac's and FMJ's minds.

Again, here you are suggesting that they avoided Khan because of some fantasy risk in your own mind.

What risk does Khan pose?? Dude isn't a big puncher, has one of the worst chins in the sport and isn't a come forward fighter nor does he know how to counterpunch and his defense isn't exactly unpenetrable.

It isn't likely that he'd be able to outbox Manny and most definitely cannot outbox Floyd, so you go ahead with your fantasy of this perceived risk that the Ultra-dangerous, one punch KO artist, master boxer supposedly imposes.

Khan is just one of the boxers who have been considered too high risk v reward by FMJ and Pac. That is why they have chosen the opponents that they have for years, including a less than WWE level, choreographed waltz together.

It is not just about whether they could win, it also involves how much damage they will take securing the victory.

Btw, I have never begrudged either their business decisions. In fact, I have often complimented FMJ's business acumen. He has had a spectacularly successful career in a brutal sport and he has come through it in relatively great health.

My problem is with fanboys like the two of you who refuse to face the reality of his true genius, and the limits of his legacy.