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Wth are you talking about?

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Wth are you talking about?

For example, such "little" advantage as Ward fighting all his fights in California except the one against Froch which was also in the U.S.

ikorolev wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Wth are you talking about?

For example, such "little" advantage as Ward fighting all his fights in California except the one against Froch which was also in the U.S.

Lol, still makes no sense that you quoted me. I guess you missed me.

diddy wrote:It's no real surprise alot of american posters have left this board over the years to post elsewhere. You cant even have rational boxing talk here for the most part. A bunch of emotional little girls blinded by bias and hatred. It's like middle school.

You have to admit though Diddy, you have lowered your standards in that department. Instead of rising above it, you fire back in this exact same manner against euro boxers.

Of course Ward is not washed up and I think he beats Kovalev. In terms of the lawsuits, he didn't seem to do himself any favours - I think he had 4 attempts at it with no success . In terms of keeping in shape yes pretty good but as Froch said we will never see him at SM again as he just can't make it, that proved to be the case.

SenorPipino wrote:Sounds like Ali-Foreman redux.

Many are convinced that a fearsome puncher is going to decapitate a weak pure boxer who's supposedly past his prime at 31.

Not going to happen.

Slick Ward will bitch slap the Russian guy all over the ring for 12 rounds, and Kovey will later claim that someone drugged his vodka before the bout.

Fighters like Kovalev are tailor made for a pure boxer like Ward. He'll outfight him and out think him and by the end of the bout will be outpunching a frustrated, weary Russian.

I've seen this too many times before. It always ends this way.

This is too simplistic a way to look at it.

Kovalev is a far better boxer than George Foreman was in the 70s.

Ali beat Foreman because George fought like a big clueless dummy, something Ali repeatedly told the world he was before the fight.

Kovalev is a much smarter boxer & Ward will have his work cut out to beat this guy.

Kovalev when he keeps his concentration is an outstanding boxer. Look at his performances v Hopkins and Pascal 2.

Against Ward he would be fully switched on unlike the first Pascal fight where he took chances. A switched on Kovalev will beat Ward.

diddy wrote:That Ward. Such a bum. And a p*ssy.

Take notes, Aduckis.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post ... tos-return

I love how a dude who has barely fought can merely have a bout agreement (not a contract) and a date set aside and he's brave as hell.

Ian1973 wrote:Kovalev when he keeps his concentration is an outstanding boxer. Look at his performances v Hopkins and Pascal 2.

Against Ward he would be fully switched on unlike the first Pascal fight where he took chances. A switched on Kovalev will beat Ward.

But also the idea that he can't afford any lapses against Ward is silly to me. Kovalev can fight as sloppy as he wants, Ward can't crack an egg and if Andre ups the workrate to capitalise on any perceived sloppiness from Sergey he'll be knocked out even quicker. Ward will be reversing around the ring in survival mode from the first bell, and Senor Pip will be crying into his biscuits n gravy by round 7.

I'm just thinking how funny it will be on these boards after Ward beats Kovalev.

Still yet to see any convincing argument from anyone picking Ward as to how he actually wins the fight. You know, like a strategic account of his gameplan to win.

Aside from the standard 'Uh, he'll use his skills' or 'He'll nullify/frustrate/negate/outsmart/take away Kovalev's offense', as if any of that actually means Ward proactively throwing enough shots to outland a guy who is guaranteed to be walking him down with volume and power for every second of every round, as well as not getting hit by said guy.

Hopkins was reduced to a defensive shell pretty quickly and even that guy, a defensive wizard, looking to survive and spoil with no intention of landing any punches, got clocked hard, many many times, with only his superhuman chin keeping him upright. Now Ward is going to go out there and not only get hit less than Hopkins but try and mount an offense of his own enough to stop the buzzsaw across from him. With a low output style, no punch and a questionable punch resistance. Right. He's taking spoons to a gunfight.

Also, Ward ain't winning the fight with single shots. That's another viewpoint I've seen. I've heard the 'He'll tie up Kovalev, frustrate him, and land the lead right hand'. He might tie up Kovalev (although he's going to find it more difficult up close than with anyone else he's faced) he might frustrate him (for short periods on the back foot when Kovalev's output drops) but his single shots are going to be met with combinations back. If he isn't knocked out early, he's simply set to be outlanded by a guy who just throws a lot more leather than him. Ward would need to put them together, and the thought of him teeing off on Kovalev like that without taking anything in return for 12 rounds is purely ridiculous.

Riddick Blowe wrote:Still yet to see any convincing argument from anyone picking Ward as to how he actually wins the fight. You know, like a strategic account of his gameplan to win.

Aside from the standard 'Uh, he'll use his skills' or 'He'll nullify/frustrate/negate/outsmart/take away Kovalev's offense', as if any of that actually means Ward proactively throwing enough shots to outland a guy who is guaranteed to be walking him down with volume and power for every second of every round, as well as not getting hit by said guy.

Hopkins was reduced to a defensive shell pretty quickly and even that guy, a defensive wizard, looking to survive and spoil with no intention of landing any punches, got clocked hard, many many times, with only his superhuman chin keeping him upright. Now Ward is going to go out there and not only get hit less than Hopkins but try and mount an offense of his own enough to stop the buzzsaw across from him. With a low output style, no punch and a questionable punch resistance. Right. He's taking spoons to a gunfight.

Also, Ward ain't winning the fight with single shots. That's another viewpoint I've seen. I've heard the 'He'll tie up Kovalev, frustrate him, and land the lead right hand'. He might tie up Kovalev (although he's going to find it more difficult up close than with anyone else he's faced) he might frustrate him (for short periods on the back foot when Kovalev's output drops) but his single shots are going to be met with combinations back. If he isn't knocked out early, he's simply set to be outlanded by a guy who just throws a lot more leather than him. Ward would need to put them together, and the thought of him teeing off on Kovalev like that without taking anything in return for 12 rounds is purely ridiculous.

Let the fight get within shouting distance and I might waste some time explaining how SOGgy could pull it off. First I want to see how he deals with Barrera. Then, I will wait for about 7 months to see whether he pulls a brain cell tendon just prior to the fight.

The question isn't how Ward deals with Kova, it's how Kova deals with Ward.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:The question isn't how Ward deals with Kova, it's how Kova deals with Ward.

Yes, because Ward is clearly going to boss this fight

The question is, will SOGgy make it to the ring at all?

For the next 9 months, that is the only question.

Riddick Blowe wrote:Still yet to see any convincing argument from anyone picking Ward as to how he actually wins the fight. You know, like a strategic account of his gameplan to win.

Aside from the standard 'Uh, he'll use his skills' or 'He'll nullify/frustrate/negate/outsmart/take away Kovalev's offense', as if any of that actually means Ward proactively throwing enough shots to outland a guy who is guaranteed to be walking him down with volume and power for every second of every round, as well as not getting hit by said guy.

Hopkins was reduced to a defensive shell pretty quickly and even that guy, a defensive wizard, looking to survive and spoil with no intention of landing any punches, got clocked hard, many many times, with only his superhuman chin keeping him upright. Now Ward is going to go out there and not only get hit less than Hopkins but try and mount an offense of his own enough to stop the buzzsaw across from him. With a low output style, no punch and a questionable punch resistance. Right. He's taking spoons to a gunfight.

Also, Ward ain't winning the fight with single shots. That's another viewpoint I've seen. I've heard the 'He'll tie up Kovalev, frustrate him, and land the lead right hand'. He might tie up Kovalev (although he's going to find it more difficult up close than with anyone else he's faced) he might frustrate him (for short periods on the back foot when Kovalev's output drops) but his single shots are going to be met with combinations back. If he isn't knocked out early, he's simply set to be outlanded by a guy who just throws a lot more leather than him. Ward would need to put them together, and the thought of him teeing off on Kovalev like that without taking anything in return for 12 rounds is purely ridiculous.

The only way Ward wins is to survive 4 rounds, then apply perfectly timed headbutts, have Sergey badly cut, and rely on corrupt judges to give him a decision.

Not even diddy can figure out how Ward wins this fight. That speaks volumes.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:The question isn't how Ward deals with Kova, it's how Kova deals with Ward.

Yes, because Ward is clearly going to boss this fight

Not what i was trying to imply. What I'm basically saying is that Ward has a slicker style than anyone he has faced (including Hopkins because Ward is similar but far faster and more offensive).

I'm not sure why you felt the need to jump froggy as though I was trying to insinuate a diss towards Kov (he has earned my respect). I think the longer this fight takes to happen the worse it is for Ward because JDJ is improving Kova each time out.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:The question isn't how Ward deals with Kova, it's how Kova deals with Ward.

Yes, because Ward is clearly going to boss this fight

Not what i was trying to imply. What I'm basically saying is that Ward has a slicker style than anyone he has faced (including Hopkins because Ward is similar but far faster and more offensive).

I'm not sure why you felt the need to jump froggy as though I was trying to insinuate a diss towards Kov (he has earned my respect). I think the longer this fight takes to happen the worse it is for Ward because JDJ is improving Kova each time out.

Kovalev dictates what happens in every fight. He is the one on the front foot throwing hell, cutting off the ring, placing endless pressure on his opponent. He is the one providing the puzzle. Nothing Ward does is going to change how Kova approaches this fight. It is on Ward to figure out what to do. That's why I disagreed with your comment that it's about how Kova deals with Ward and not the other way round.

Riddick Blowe wrote:Kovalev dictates what happens in every fight. He is the one on the front foot throwing hell, cutting off the ring, placing endless pressure on his opponent. He is the one providing the puzzle. Nothing Ward does is going to change how Kova approaches this fight. It is on Ward to figure out what to do. That's why I disagreed with your comment that it's about how Kova deals with Ward and not the other way round.

I agree with you that in all of his fights he has dictated how the fight goes, but he is facing an opponent who fights like none of the other guys other than Hopkins but Ward is much faster and more offensive-minded than BHop which is why I said what I did initially.

I think it is going to be a better fight than many are giving Ward the credit for, his faster footwork combined with his intelligence on offense is going to give Kova some trouble, that doesn't mean I'm saying he will win but I think it will be far more competitive than most are giving Ward a chance at.

Ward will have a plan but after he gets tagged clean that plan will go right out the winner. Ward doesn't have the necessary firepower to make Kovalev apprehensive to throw his shots.

Baby Face Finster wrote:Ward will have a plan but after he gets tagged clean that plan will go right out the winner. Ward doesn't have the necessary firepower to make Kovalev apprehensive to throw his shots.

I disagree.

SOGgy had enough pop to make Froch flinch. In fact, it may end up that Krusher wins by breaking SOGgy's hands on his face and finishing what Carl could not.

This fight is not the matchup nightmare for SOGgy that the Krusher mob implies.

SenorPipino wrote:Sounds like Ali-Foreman redux.

Many are convinced that a fearsome puncher is going to decapitate a weak pure boxer who's supposedly past his prime at 31.

Not going to happen.

Slick Ward will bitch slap the Russian guy all over the ring for 12 rounds, and Kovey will later claim that someone drugged his vodka before the bout.

Fighters like Kovalev are tailor made for a pure boxer like Ward. He'll outfight him and out think him and by the end of the bout will be outpunching a frustrated, weary Russian.

I've seen this too many times before. It always ends this way.

It almost always does ... but it's a regular enough occurrence that I agree with you.

Some people think that boxing is a video game. More power, speed and stamina means you win.
But styles make fights. Ward fights with a style made to beat come forward pressure fighters.

Also, Ward like Hopkins and Floyd, are stronger than people think.

Or Kovalev wins by KO ... but I think Ward will win 10-2 or a shutout.

Tanzio wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:Ward will have a plan but after he gets tagged clean that plan will go right out the winner. Ward doesn't have the necessary firepower to make Kovalev apprehensive to throw his shots.

I disagree.

SOGgy had enough pop to make Froch flinch. In fact, it may end up that Krusher wins by breaking SOGgy's hands on his face and finishing what Carl could not.

This fight is not the matchup nightmare for SOGgy that the Krusher mob implies.

That was at 168. He is now at 175 against a guy who hits much harder than Froch did. Not only that but Kovalev possesses a much better jab than Froch ever had.

Baby Face Finster wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:Ward will have a plan but after he gets tagged clean that plan will go right out the winner. Ward doesn't have the necessary firepower to make Kovalev apprehensive to throw his shots.

I disagree.

SOGgy had enough pop to make Froch flinch. In fact, it may end up that Krusher wins by breaking SOGgy's hands on his face and finishing what Carl could not.

This fight is not the matchup nightmare for SOGgy that the Krusher mob implies.

That was at 168. He is now at 175 against a guy who hits much harder than Froch did.

True, but SOGgy will also be bigger and stronger if he is to have a chance.

I've seen Kovalev be made to step back. Pascal I may be an aberration, or maybe not. SOGgy has FMJ type pop. He surprises people and catches them with shots unseen. He can dig hard to the body and mug on the inside.

I'm not making a pick or favoring anyone at this point because I don't know enough about this incarnation of SOGgy. Barrera will add an important chapter.

Many here and elsewhere claim that SOGgy has never faced anyone on Krusher's level. I agree with that but the same can be said for the Russian, if SOGgy has grown into the division by then.

Tanzio wrote:SOGgy has FMJ type pop. He surprises people and catches them with shots unseen. He can dig hard to the body and mug on the inside.

Why couldn't he surprise the super-star Paul Smith ?