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Re: Wladimir got exposed by Tyson Fury

Posted: 22 Feb 2016, 13:07
by jamesmcdonnell
Horse wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Trolling would indicate making countless posts just to incite anger in other posters, I fail to see how I'm doing that?
Talking trash about a fighter is likely to wind up fans of that fighter.

Finding any excuse to put a fighter down does seem like trolling type behaviour.

Tyson Fury has recently become the undisputed heavyweight champion. People still saying that he is unproven or not very good are either trolling or just really stupid.
Where's the trash talk then?

Re: Wladimir got exposed by Tyson Fury

Posted: 22 Feb 2016, 13:25
by Horse
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Where's the trash talk then?
You've been negative about Fury for most of his career.

He's proven you wrong and you still insult him. That seems like the behaviour of a troll to me.

Let it go, you were wrong.

Re: Wladimir got exposed by Tyson Fury

Posted: 22 Feb 2016, 13:30
by jamesmcdonnell
Horse wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Where's the trash talk then?
You've been negative about Fury for most of his career.

He's proven you wrong and you still insult him. That seems like the behaviour of a troll to me.

Let it go, you were wrong.
Where am I insulting him? I just said I didn't find him very impressive in the Wlad fight. That's hardly an insult. I gave him credit for the win, rather than claiming Wlad just chose not to fight.

Is he a relative of yours or something, you seem incredibly sensitive about any criticism of him?

Has he made you sandwiches of a morning perhaps?

Re: Wladimir got exposed by Tyson Fury

Posted: 22 Feb 2016, 13:44
by SaadOffTheDeck
Fury has size and balls, that's a lot in the wlad led heavyweight division. The people that were truly wrong were the ones salivating over wlad's p4p skills. People like horse and Rafael.

Re: Wladimir got exposed by Tyson Fury

Posted: 22 Feb 2016, 14:24
by Horse
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Fury has size and balls, that's a lot in the wlad led heavyweight division. The people that were truly wrong were the ones salivating over wlad's p4p skills. People like horse and Rafael.
I've slagged Wlad off plenty. I don't recall going potty over his amazing skillset.

He was a dominant world champion, so he got a high P4P ranking. That was the consensus opinion. Only anti-heavyweight bores went against that.

Re: Wladimir got exposed by Tyson Fury

Posted: 22 Feb 2016, 14:26
by Horse
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Where am I insulting him? I just said I didn't find him very impressive in the Wlad fight. That's hardly an insult. I gave him credit for the win, rather than claiming Wlad just chose not to fight.

Is he a relative of yours or something, you seem incredibly sensitive about any criticism of him?

Has he made you sandwiches of a morning perhaps?
Don't make me go through your posts.

You have been anti-Fury for a while and him winning the world title didn't seem to change a thing.

Re: Wladimir got exposed by Tyson Fury

Posted: 22 Feb 2016, 15:54
by SaadOffTheDeck
Horse wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Fury has size and balls, that's a lot in the wlad led heavyweight division. The people that were truly wrong were the ones salivating over wlad's p4p skills. People like horse and Rafael.
I've slagged Wlad off plenty. I don't recall going potty over his amazing skillset.

He was a dominant world champion, so he got a high P4P ranking. That was the consensus opinion. Only anti-heavyweight bores went against that.
So you recognized he wasn't highly skilled and rated him highly in a mythical ranking, that is based on skills, anyway? That's hysterical.

Re: Wladimir got exposed by Tyson Fury

Posted: 22 Feb 2016, 16:08
by Horse
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:So you recognized he wasn't highly skilled and rated him highly in a mythical ranking, that is based on skills, anyway? That's hysterical.
P4P rankings aren't about who has the super-duperest technical skills.

It's about who is the best and Wladimir was one of the best.

Re: Wladimir got exposed by Tyson Fury

Posted: 22 Feb 2016, 16:10
by SaadOffTheDeck
You obviously have no idea what they're about. Granted, they're quite subjective but the whole purpose is who is the best in the world size being equal. You still have him top 10! :lol:

Re: Wladimir got exposed by Tyson Fury

Posted: 22 Feb 2016, 16:15
by Horse
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:You obviously have no idea what they're about. Granted, they're quite subjective but the whole purpose is who is the best in the world size being equal. You still have him top 10! :lol:
Anyone who didn't have Wladimir in their P4P top 10 doesn't have a clue how to do them.

Re: Wladimir got exposed by Tyson Fury

Posted: 22 Feb 2016, 16:42
by Fatcatstu
Horse wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Trolling would indicate making countless posts just to incite anger in other posters, I fail to see how I'm doing that?
Talking trash about a fighter is likely to wind up fans of that fighter.

Finding any excuse to put a fighter down does seem like trolling type behaviour.

Tyson Fury has recently become the undisputed heavyweight champion. People still saying that he is unproven or not very good are either trolling or just really stupid.

No he hasn't. Im SURE that Charles Martin and Deontay Wilder hold World Heavyweight titles too. Therefore he isnt undisputed, is he?

As mentioned by others, he won a very poor fight, I think he will struggle when he comes up against a world class boxer who wont just let him walk around the ring shaking his shoulders and acting like a clown, and will punch him in the face.

Re: Wladimir got exposed by Tyson Fury

Posted: 22 Feb 2016, 16:48
by Rexob
Boxerbeetle wrote:The early aggressive version of Wlad (before his ko losses) might well have walked through Fury.
that was in pre 1998! Tyson would have been a kid, so Wlad probably would have won on points against the young Fury, just.

Re: Wladimir got exposed by Tyson Fury

Posted: 22 Feb 2016, 16:51
by Horse
Fatcatstu wrote:No he hasn't. Im SURE that Charles Martin and Deontay Wilder hold World Heavyweight titles too. Therefore he isnt undisputed, is he?
Neither has a legitimate claim.

Martin is arguably not even a top 15 ranked heavyweight.
Fatcatstu wrote:As mentioned by others, he won a very poor fight, I think he will struggle when he comes up against a world class boxer who wont just let him walk around the ring shaking his shoulders and acting like a clown, and will punch him in the face.
Like?

Re: Wladimir got exposed by Tyson Fury

Posted: 22 Feb 2016, 16:58
by SaadOffTheDeck
Horse wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:You obviously have no idea what they're about. Granted, they're quite subjective but the whole purpose is who is the best in the world size being equal. You still have him top 10! :lol:
Anyone who didn't have Wladimir in their P4P top 10 doesn't have a clue how to do them.
He certainly proved that against Fury. :roll:

Re: Wladimir got exposed by Tyson Fury

Posted: 22 Feb 2016, 16:59
by Fatcatstu
Horse wrote:
Fatcatstu wrote:No he hasn't. Im SURE that Charles Martin and Deontay Wilder hold World Heavyweight titles too. Therefore he isnt undisputed, is he?
Neither has a legitimate claim. Errrrm their belts say otherwise

Martin is arguably not even a top 15 ranked heavyweight. But only anything you argue counts, right?
Fatcatstu wrote:As mentioned by others, he won a very poor fight, I think he will struggle when he comes up against a world class boxer who wont just let him walk around the ring shaking his shoulders and acting like a clown, and will punch him in the face.
Like? Wilder, Haye and Joshua would all give Fury conniptions.

Re: Wladimir got exposed by Tyson Fury

Posted: 22 Feb 2016, 17:07
by Horse
Fatcatstu wrote:Errrrm their belts say otherwise
No, they don't.
Fatcatstu wrote:But only anything you argue counts, right?
He is in my top 15, but many others disagree.
Fatcatstu wrote:Wilder, Haye and Joshua would all give Fury conniptions.
Haye let Wladimir do as he pleased. I'm not sure why Fury couldn't do something similar.