The Olympic Tournaments - Schedule, Predictions, Results

THEBUTCH · Post by **THEBUTCH** » 13 Aug 2004, 12:46

Khan's got a chance of medal then?

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 13 Aug 2004, 13:05

THEBUTCH wrote:Khan's got a chance of medal then?

Khan you believe it??

emile · Post by **emile** » 13 Aug 2004, 13:41

Eric the Viking wrote:Emile, I would actually prefer URL links to the draws, rather than pages and pages of text. I couldn't find a link to the draw on the Athens2004.com boxing page - could you provide?

What am I, your slave? You will rely on Freiheit's posts and my interpretation and like it :) . I mean, thanks Freiheit for posting the links - although they seem to have removed all of the brackets from the website for some reason. Maybe they decided to do them over again

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Eric, did you note that Munyasia got expelled because he chewed qat? Not exactly a high-tech performance enhancer.

As for Khan, he should be able to beat Kaperonis, although you have to watch out for dodgy judging there. But then he likely has 28-year-old Dimitar Stilianov, the defending European Champion and a top-level amateur for the last five years. He would then have another very tough fight to make the semis. He can do it, but it will be a tough road.

DK2112 · Post by **DK2112** » 13 Aug 2004, 13:46

How good is this Greek guy who Khan is fighting?

reaggai · Post by **reaggai** » 13 Aug 2004, 14:31

If you want to see the draw just go to http://www.amateur-boxing.com and you will have all the informations.

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 13 Aug 2004, 17:05

There's some juicy first round fights here. Particularly looking forward to the heavyweight clash that should really be the gold medal match between Solis ans Alexseev.
At middlweight, the Despaigne-Pascal clash looks intriguing too with the winner likely to meet Balzsay.

Andy Lee has a good chance against the Mexican but a sturn test likely awaits in Dominican Republican Ubaldo.
Noel against Berto should be a real good fight at welter and a likely second round contest between Aragon and Maritosyan should be worth a look too.
Michele Di Rocca-Patric Lopez looks a cracker, but fight of the round for the 64 kg's class shoudl be Juan De Dios Navarro against Nurhan Karimzhanov.

Zhuge · Post by **Zhuge** » 13 Aug 2004, 18:11

Freiheit wrote:Light Flyweight

Ali (IRQ) vs Kwak (PKR)

Iraq vs. North Korea -- that's somewhat interesting given current events

ogii3 · Post by **ogii3** » 13 Aug 2004, 18:30

DK2112 wrote:How good is this Greek guy who Khan is fighting?

Very weak, exepct RSCO 2nd round
And Shtilianov isn't in best shape as he was two years ago

David Perez · Post by **David Perez** » 13 Aug 2004, 19:00

[quote="Ulysses"]That's a good list, emille.

I'll have a crack at naming two fighters in each division who I think are capable of winning the gold, with my pick first then another...

Light-fly (51kg's): Sergey Kazakov (RUS) and Pal Bedak (HUN) 25:16

Fly (51kg's): Jerome Thomas (FRA) and Georgi Balakshin (RUS)

Bantam (54 kg's): Guillermo Rigondeaux (CUB) and Agassi Mamedov (AZE)

Feather (57kg's): Vitlati Tajbert (GER) and Luis Franco (CUB)

Light (60kg's): Mario Kindelan (CUB) and Amir Khan (ENG)

Light-welter (64kg's): Juan de Dios Navarro (MEX) and Willy Blain (FRA)

Welter (69kg's): Oleg Saitov (RUS) and Lorenzo Aragon (CUB)

Middle (75kg's): Gennadiy Golovkin (KAZ) and Gaidarbek Gaidarbekov (RUS)

Light-heavy (81 kg's): Evgeny Makarenko (RUS) and Andre Ward (USA)

Heavy (91kg's): Odlanier Solis (CUB) and Alexander Alexeev (RUS)

Super-heavy (91+kg's): Alexander Povetkin (RUS) and Roberto Cammarelle (ITA)

There's a good mix there, but i'm sure that politics will dictate that there's bound to be more than one gold medallist from Asia.
I'd like to see a South American win at 64. Either Venezuela's Pan-Am games winner Patric Lopez or De Dios Navarro who bested both America's Rock Allen and top Cuban Yudel Jhonson this year.
Makarenko at light-heavy is probably the clearest cut favourite, whilst Kindelan, Rigondeaux and Kazakov are close behind in their respective divisions.
Toughest weight has to be 75. Any number from 6 or 7 are talented enough to scoop gold.
I've got a real good feeling about Amir Khan at lightweight...

This is the first Olympics with the new weight classes and Cuba also had to qualify after normally being given automatic spots due to their strength
Well Dios Navarro beat Allen but allen stopped him in 3 rounds after the fact

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 13 Aug 2004, 19:38

emile wrote:What am I, your slave?

Don't you wish.

Eric, did you note that Munyasia got expelled because he chewed qat? Not exactly a high-tech performance enhancer.

High-tech or not, it's an amphetamine. You can argue that caffeine is too, but qat is appreciably stronger - anyway if you test with too high a caffeine level, you get booted, too. (I think you'd have to drink about a gallon of pure espresso to exceed the level they set). Opium, hashish, psilocybin (the active ingredient in wacky mushrooms) and peyote are all-natural, too.

Thanks for all the links and informative comments!

Oh, Emile, fetch my slippers and get me a cold beer. And don't make me tell you twice.

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 13 Aug 2004, 21:06

hey emile, you gonna adjust your predictions? cos now the draws been made some of those medal positions aren't possible.

emile · Post by **emile** » 14 Aug 2004, 01:50

adamiw, I redid my picks about ten posts up. I didn't have my research handy though, so I'm not super happy with them. I don't have the South Koreans getting any medals, but they have a really strong team. I also think India or Pakistan could get a medal, and there are one or two really promsing Egyptians, but I can't remember which are who at the moment.

Ulysses, thanks for pointing out those great matchups. I think you're right about the Navarro-Karimzhanov fight, could be very interesting. There are a lot of good ones - I think Kate vs. Baik may be one of the fights of the first-round. I'm also intrigued by the 91kg matchup with Izonritei and Syrian Nasser Al-Shami, the African champ vs. the Asian champ. Syria doesnt have a track record, but to win in Asia at that weight against the Uzbeks and Kazakhs must mean he is pretty decent.

Also, Estrada vs. Australian K-1 fighter Doug Viney (fighting here for Tonga as Ma'afu Wolfe) is intriguing. Viney is pretty tall and has some experience - interested to see how well Estrada can get in on him.

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 14 Aug 2004, 05:59

David Perez wrote: Well Dios Navarro beat Allen but allen stopped him in 3 rounds after the fact

When and where was this?

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 14 Aug 2004, 07:12

After the fight vs the chinese Ha, I dont think Andre Dirrell will go far in the pros unless he learn to block overhand rights. He is a knockout waiting to happen

David Perez · Post by **David Perez** » 14 Aug 2004, 10:34

Rock Allen stopped Juan Dios De Navarro At the Titan games June 18 -20 2004 in the 3rd round. Check http://www.eaba.org. After the qualifier in Mexico.

David Perez · Post by **David Perez** » 14 Aug 2004, 14:53

Its funny how Andre direll made it to the next round even though you didnt even give him a chance. All of you people that arent giving the US a chance at winning medals are in for a big surprise.

Grey · Post by **Grey** » 14 Aug 2004, 20:16

Results for August 14, 2004

Men's Light Heavy Weight (81kg) Round of 32

Edgar Ramon Munoz Mata VEN DEF Mario Sivolija CRO Points 31-23
Magomed Aripgadjiev BLR DEF Ramiro Goben Reducindo Radilla MEX Points 29-10
Andriy Fedchuk UKR DEF Jitender Kumar IND TKO 2:00-2
Yuping Lei CHN DEF Pierre Celestin Yana CMR Points 24-16
Ali Ismayilov AZE DEF Washington Silva BRA Points 27-22
Elias Pavlidis GRE DEF Taylor Mabika GAB Points 32-17
Ahmed Ismail EGY DEF Shohrat Kurbanov TKM Points 44-22
Trevor Stewardson CAN DEF Flavio Furtado CPV Points 36-20
Beibut Shumenov KAZ DEF Aleksy Kuziemski POL Points 34-22
Ihsan Yildirim Tarhan TUR DEF Soulan Pownceby NZL TKO 1:23-3
Utkirbek Haydarov UZB DEF Isaac Ekpo NGR Points 21-11
Abdelhani Kenzi ALG DEF Hak Sung Song KOR Points 25-19

Men's Middle Weight (75kg) Round of 32

Oleg Mashkin UKR DEF Khotso Godfrey Motau RSA Points 25-22
Lukas Wilaschek GER DEF Jamie Pittman AUS Points 24-23
Suriya Prasathinphimai THA DEF Joseph Lubega UGA Points 30-21
Javid Taghiyev AZE DEF Georgios Gazis GRE Points 32-31
Hassan Ndam Njikam CMR DEF Juan Jose Ubaldo DOM Points +22-22
Andy Lee IRL DEF Alfredo Angulo Lopez MEX Points 38-23
Sherzod Abdurahmonov UZB DEF Serdar Ustuner TUR Points 34-16
Gaydarbek Gaydarbekov RUS DEF Christopher Camat PHI Points 35-13
Karoly Balzsay HUN DEF Mohamed Sahraoui TUN Points 29-24
Yordani Despaigne Herrera CUB DEF Jean Pascal CAN Points 36-24
Andre Dirrell USA DEF Dabateer Ha CHN Points 25-18
Nabil Kassel ALG DEF Glaucelio Abreu BRA Points 41-36

gensu3k1 · Post by **gensu3k1** » 15 Aug 2004, 01:17

David Perez wrote:Its funny how Andre direll made it to the next round even though you didnt even give him a chance. All of you people that arent giving the US a chance at winning medals are in for a big surprise.

He only won by about 7 points, and he didn't look good at all. Most expected him to win his first match when they saw the draw.

jjfc · Post by **jjfc** » 15 Aug 2004, 01:43

Fedchuk looked awful.

One has to think that light heavy is wide open.

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 15 Aug 2004, 09:49

David Perez wrote:Rock Allen stopped Juan Dios De Navarro At the Titan games June 18 -20 2004 in the 3rd round. Check http://www.eaba.org. After the qualifier in Mexico.

Fair play, well, De Dios Navarro has just been eliminated by Karmizhanov in an entertaining fight.
The Kazakh was ahead from the start and used fast hands and feet to always be one step ahead of the aggressive Mexican southpaw.

The middleweights didn't disapoint, particluarly the anticipated clash between Despaigne and Pascal. The Cuban had an answer for everthing, greater handspeed and ring smarts. Definitely a contender for gold.
As is Oleg Mashkin who was chasing the fight from the off as his lanky South African used his superior reach to pile up the points.
The strong and skillful Ukrainian used educated pressure and a good left hand to claw back into it and pull the win out the bag.
Andy Lee boxed superbly to outpoint the short, aggressive Mexican. Top performance. Gaiderbekov was commanding in his win too.

Grey · Post by **Grey** » 15 Aug 2004, 19:18

Results fror August 15, 2004

Men's Welter Weight (69kg) Round of 32

Aliasker Bashirov TKM DEF Rolandas Jasevicius LTU Points 54-21
Bakhtiyar Artayev KAZ DEF Willy Bertrand Tankeu CMR TKO
Xavier Noel FRA DEF Andre Berto HAI Points 36-34
Viktor Polyakov UKR DEF Gerard O' Mahony AUS Points 54-27
Oleg Saitov RUS DEF Miloud Ait Hammi MAR Points 30-15
Mohamed Hikal EGY DEF Basharmal Sultani AFG Points 40-12
Sherzod Husanov UZB DEF Jean Carlos Prada VEN Points 33-20
Bulent Ulusoy TUR DEF Ellis Chibuye ZAM Points 45-32
Silamu Hanati CHN DEF Sadat Tebazaalwa UGA Points 29-17
Ruslan Khairov AZE DEF Adam Trupish CAN TKO 0:05-3
Lorenzo Aragon Armenteros CUB DEF Theodoros Kotakos GRE TKO 1:29-3
Vanes Martirosyan USA DEF Benamar Meskine ALG Points 45-20

Men's Light Welter Weight (64kg) Round of 32

Anoushirvan Nourian AUS DEF Kitson Julie SEY Points 51-22
Michele di Rocco ITA DEF Patriz Adelis Lopez Rojas VEN Points 37-30
Mustafa Karagollu TUR DEF _ Vijender IND Points 25-20
Ionut Gheorghe ROM DEF Faisal Karim PAK Points 26-11
Alexander Maletin RUS DEF Saleh Khoulef EGY TKO 0:10-3
Willy Blain FRA DEF Mohamed Ali Sassi TUN Points 36-14
Romeo Brin PHI DEF Patrick Bogere SWE Points 43-35
Manus Boonjumnong THA DEF Spyridon Ioannidis GRE Points 28-16
Nurzhan Karimzhanov KAZ DEF Juan de Dios Navarro Ramirez MEX Points 48-31
Hicham Nafil MAR DEF Isidro Mosquea Rodriquez DOM Points 42-40
Boris Georgiev BUL DEF Nasserredine Fillali ALG TKO 1:38-2

gensu3k1 · Post by **gensu3k1** » 15 Aug 2004, 22:27

Maletin is the most impressive guy I've seen in the tourney so far.

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 16 Aug 2004, 09:57

gensu3k1 wrote:Maletin is the most impressive guy I've seen in the tourney so far.

You must not have seen Vitaly Tajbert then though because when you do your mind will be changed. He looked as amazing as ever in his win today.

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 16 Aug 2004, 10:44

Since he posted 10-11 hours before Tajberts fight my guess is that he has seen it

I also rate Boris Grigoriev as one of the best of the tournament so far.

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 16 Aug 2004, 11:44

Whats impressive about Tajbert as well is some of the guys he's already beat. Their was a very good Frenchman on before his fight and Tajbert hammered him in the Euro's, then Simolien on Romania another that Tajbert beat impressively before.