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Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 18 Mar 2016, 19:33
by CharlesListon
keithmoonhangover wrote:gilgamesh wrote:I'll always be certain that the 2nd Liston fight was a dive on Liston's part. Why he took the dive I'll never know, but he definitely took a dive. None of Ali's other fights looked fixed to me. Unless you wanna count bad judging as a fix, in which case that's happened more times than any of us can count.
I wouldn't say it was a dive. He got hit and he went down. The chaos afterwords, who knows. One thing I am certain of.... If Liston had got up, he would have taken a beating.
No way.
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 18 Mar 2016, 19:36
by keithmoonhangover
CharlesListon wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:gilgamesh wrote:I'll always be certain that the 2nd Liston fight was a dive on Liston's part. Why he took the dive I'll never know, but he definitely took a dive. None of Ali's other fights looked fixed to me. Unless you wanna count bad judging as a fix, in which case that's happened more times than any of us can count.
I wouldn't say it was a dive. He got hit and he went down. The chaos afterwords, who knows. One thing I am certain of.... If Liston had got up, he would have taken a beating.
No way.
No way? He hit him with a jolting right.
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 18 Mar 2016, 19:42
by gilgamesh
keithmoonhangover wrote:gilgamesh wrote:I'll always be certain that the 2nd Liston fight was a dive on Liston's part. Why he took the dive I'll never know, but he definitely took a dive. None of Ali's other fights looked fixed to me. Unless you wanna count bad judging as a fix, in which case that's happened more times than any of us can count.
I wouldn't say it was a dive. He got hit and he went down. The chaos afterwords, who knows. One thing I am certain of.... If Liston had got up, he would have taken a beating.
The knockdown may have been legit, but it's painfully obvious he could've gotten up by the count of 10. Hell he could've gotten up by the count of 3. He chose not to for whatever reason
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 18 Mar 2016, 19:44
by keithmoonhangover
gilgamesh wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:gilgamesh wrote:I'll always be certain that the 2nd Liston fight was a dive on Liston's part. Why he took the dive I'll never know, but he definitely took a dive. None of Ali's other fights looked fixed to me. Unless you wanna count bad judging as a fix, in which case that's happened more times than any of us can count.
I wouldn't say it was a dive. He got hit and he went down. The chaos afterwords, who knows. One thing I am certain of.... If Liston had got up, he would have taken a beating.
The knockdown may have been legit, but it's painfully obvious he could've gotten up by the count of 10. Hell he could've gotten up by the count of 3. He chose not to for whatever reason
If I had to guess what happened. I think he got hit hard, went down and decided that he just didn't want anymore. Ali had his number and he knew it. IMHO.
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 18 Mar 2016, 21:28
by tigermoth87
Vera vs Chavez Jr one
Utter fix. On the onofficial scorecards from reporters and boxing mags not one person has scored the fight to Chavez Jr.
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 19 Mar 2016, 00:26
by Emmseegee
Hatton v Pacquiao.
Clear fix, Punch never even connected.
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 19 Mar 2016, 02:00
by veriton
liam smith v jimmy kelly looked off to me, kelly just sort of did a theatrical flop onto the deck without being punched.
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 19 Mar 2016, 05:58
by lillywhite14
Disgusting but it made the victory even sweeter. Every time I watch that I love the ending, have it you cheating bastards!
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 19 Mar 2016, 05:59
by Counter-puncher
wasn't there a Michael Gomez fight where (A) he gave up suddenly and (B) there were rumours of strange betting patterns?
or have i remembered that wrong?
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 19 Mar 2016, 06:08
by Stevieb8006
Counter-puncher wrote:wasn't there a Michael Gomez fight where (A) he gave up suddenly and (B) there were rumours of strange betting patterns?
or have i remembered that wrong?
said that
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 19 Mar 2016, 06:25
by fizzjambo
Valuev v Holifield in Switzerland always made me wonder
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 19 Mar 2016, 06:57
by Lenny Cravats
Nothing as blatant as RJJr's silver medal.
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 19 Mar 2016, 09:25
by Boxerbeetle
Lenny Cravats wrote:Nothing as blatant as RJJr's silver medal.
Definitely the most blatant one I can remember, although it's probably easier to count the number of international amateur fights that were fishy over the years than the ones that weren't.
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 19 Mar 2016, 10:06
by Syntax Error
littlepug wrote:Eubank v sherry and laing v some Italian for the European where I think one round lasted nearly 5 minutes !
Eubank v Sherry was a joke.
Dan Sherry was pathetically hilarious.
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 19 Mar 2016, 10:32
by reggaereggae
Syntax Error wrote:littlepug wrote:Eubank v sherry and laing v some Italian for the European where I think one round lasted nearly 5 minutes !
Eubank v Sherry was a joke.
Dan Sherry was pathetically hilarious.
As I remember he seemed to overact, but apparently swallowed loads of his own blood and passed out.... Or something
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 19 Mar 2016, 13:06
by Dixonian
reggaereggae wrote:Syntax Error wrote:littlepug wrote:Eubank v sherry and laing v some Italian for the European where I think one round lasted nearly 5 minutes !
Eubank v Sherry was a joke.
Dan Sherry was pathetically hilarious.
As I remember he seemed to overact, but apparently swallowed loads of his own blood and passed out.... Or something
Yeah I heard that during the play acting he managed to swallow his own tongue...
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 19 Mar 2016, 13:08
by Monte Fisto
Wasn't Primo Carnera in numerous fixed/fishy bouts??
My dad use to tell me that max baer refused to take a dive vs carnera and proceeded to beat him around the ring.
Not sure how accurate this is.
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 19 Mar 2016, 15:03
by reggaereggae
Dixonian wrote:reggaereggae wrote:Syntax Error wrote:
Eubank v Sherry was a joke.
Dan Sherry was pathetically hilarious.
As I remember he seemed to overact, but apparently swallowed loads of his own blood and passed out.... Or something
Yeah I heard that during the play acting he managed to swallow his own tongue...
That was it.... But yes the play acting caused it, not the headbutt
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 19 Mar 2016, 15:42
by keithmoonhangover
95gerog wrote:Wasn't Primo Carnera in numerous fixed/fishy bouts??
My dad use to tell me that max baer refused to take a dive vs carnera and proceeded to beat him around the ring.
Not sure how accurate this is.
I heard the same from my old man.
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 19 Mar 2016, 16:44
by palooka
Marquez v Pacquiao 3 was a very dodgy decision.
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 19 Mar 2016, 16:52
by Stuarty
palooka wrote:Marquez v Pacquiao 3 was a very dodgy decision.
True. All their fights were controversial though apart from the JMM KO. Pac v Bradley1 was a joke too. Was JMM not robbed against Chris John as well?
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 19 Mar 2016, 16:55
by palooka
Stuarty30 wrote:palooka wrote:Marquez v Pacquiao 3 was a very dodgy decision.
True. All their fights were controversial though apart from the JMM KO. Pac v Bradley1 was a joke too. Was JMM not robbed against Chris John as well?
I've not seen the Marquez v John bout and the first 2 Marquez v Pacquiao bouts were close but I honestly thought Marquez had won the third hands down, my wife watched that one and couldn't believe the result. I though Pacquiao was making a statement in the 4th bout until he got cold cocked.
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 19 Mar 2016, 17:05
by Stuarty
palooka wrote:Stuarty30 wrote:palooka wrote:Marquez v Pacquiao 3 was a very dodgy decision.
True. All their fights were controversial though apart from the JMM KO. Pac v Bradley1 was a joke too. Was JMM not robbed against Chris John as well?
I've not seen the Marquez v John bout and the first 2 Marquez v Pacquiao bouts were close but I honestly thought Marquez had won the third hands down, my wife watched that one and couldn't believe the result. I though Pacquiao was making a statement in the 4th bout until he got cold cocked.
Totally agree. First two could've went either way but a lot of folk had JMM winning. I couldn't split them. The third decision stank to the high heavens.
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 19 Mar 2016, 17:46
by TerribleTerry
Can't believe no one has mentioned the blatant dive the excellent fighter Emmanual Augustus took against Allan Vester in Denmark. Something was definitely rotten in Denmark that night.....
https://youtu.be/9X2wPWMURJ4
Re: Fights That Were A Little Fishy.
Posted: 19 Mar 2016, 17:55
by Stuarty
TerribleTerry wrote:Can't believe no one has mentioned the blatant dive the excellent fighter Emmanual Augustus took against Allan Vester in Denmark. Something was definitely rotten in Denmark that night.....
https://youtu.be/9X2wPWMURJ4
I'd never seen that before
