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Undefeated49-0 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:
Willie Monroe, is his signature win!! LOL

So, a wide loss to Mayweather is somehow an achievement ? Or beating Cotto who was 12-15 pounds smaller in the ring is a signature win.

Did he really stop Kirkland who was also stopped by Ishida stopped by Golovkin ?

Yeah but just remind us of who GGG beat that has a bigger or better name than Cotto or anyone he's faced anywhere near the level of Mayweather (someone everybody lost to).

Well cotto was willing to fight canelo but flatly refused to fight GGG, and at this moment in time with floyd retired, floyd keeps dropping GGG name in the press to keep himself relevant, that seems strange don't you think if GGG didn't pose any risk, why won't the top fighters get in the ring with him

To Brut: We gave you reply at least 10 times in other threads. You just have a learning disability.

koolkc107 wrote:Still waiting for one of you, just one to explain the questions posed in the OP.

It's OK tho, I didn't expect too many to man up and agree with the truth.

Lil g is a hypocrite.

And he is running away from any chance at true greatness.

And true boxing fans should be saddened by that.

Who is spouting about him being the greatest, or whatever?

People are excited about him and what he brings to the table. Sure, there are going to be those who go overboard and exaggerate him, but then you have those who go overboard in the other direction (you). Just take him for what he is. a fun talent. He is obviously skilled and does need to meet the big names. But, he is still a p4p fighter.

And he is running his career as a business.... as Floyd did. However, things get weird when you criticize a fighter for doing the exact same thing that a fighter does who you support. It all boils down to you not liking G and his fans and your stance is biased. And because it is so, you decide to bash anyone who either has a realistic view, or a skewed view in favor of G. In reality, you are no better than the GGG mega fans boys because your bias clouds your reasoning.

I'm still waiting for your explanation on the catch weight which you have ignored.

Impractical Poster wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Still waiting for one of you, just one to explain the questions posed in the OP.

It's OK tho, I didn't expect too many to man up and agree with the truth.

Lil g is a hypocrite.

And he is running away from any chance at true greatness.

And true boxing fans should be saddened by that.

Who is spouting about him being the greatest, or whatever?

People are excited about him and what he brings to the table. Sure, there are going to be those who go overboard and exaggerate him, but then you have those who go overboard in the other direction (you). Just take him for what he is. a fun talent. He is obviously skilled and does need to meet the big names. But, he is still a p4p fighter.

And he is running his career as a business.... as Floyd did. However, things get weird when you criticize a fighter for doing the exact same thing that a fighter does who you support. It all boils down to you not liking G and his fans and your stance is biased. And because it is so, you decide to bash anyone who either has a realistic view, or a skewed view in favor of G. In reality, you are no better than the GGG mega fans boys because your bias clouds your reasoning.

I'm still waiting for your explanation on the catch weight which you have ignored.

Still waiting for just one of you lil g fans to address what I asked in the OP.

But you can't and it is clear why.

There is no other explanations save the ones I have given.

And stop lumping Floyd into this. Different situation entirely.

I don't recall Floyd asking a fighter to do anything he had not previously agreed to do.

By contrast, lil g is now REFUSING to do what he was begging Canelo to let him do less than a year and a half ago.

GGG has never begged anybody to do anything. If Canelo is afraid to fight at 160, he can drop the belt and roll back to JMW division. Of course, he will lose a bunch of fans, but that's his problem.

ikorolev wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote: Awesome and factual post but those who suck Triple G's weenie without acknowledging the facts will call you names and hurl girlie insults because they're mad that you put it down like this.

Brut shoots from both of his accounts

So this mentally handicapped piece of excrement, Brut, has been banned and now has two accounts that he not only talks to himself on but also agreed with his own posts!? Intadesting. What a fucken kook.

He's going to be 35 next year folks. And his resume is less impressive than prospects 10 years younger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgdybw4HNq8

koolkc107 wrote:He's going to be 35 next year folks. And his resume is less impressive than prospects 10 years younger.

Like who ?

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:He's going to be 35 next year folks. And his resume is less impressive than prospects 10 years younger.

Like who ?

You can start with the guy he is afraid of challenging himself with, the guy he would have gladly
fought at 155 only a few short months ago but is now reneging on his own word because he thinks he has leverage.

koolkc107 wrote:He's going to be 35 next year folks. And his resume is less impressive than prospects 10 years younger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgdybw4HNq8

only good thing about dontae is his women.

koolkc107 wrote:

man wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:And he is running away from any chance at true greatness.

common, even you yourself don't believe that.

Actually, I do.

I think he can be a great we talk about like the Ray Leonards, Hearns, and Durans.

But none of what I think is going to amount to a hill of beans if he keeps taking the easy road.

The greats challenge themselves, some multiple times.

What fight on lil g's resume qualifies as a legendary challenge? What's his signature win, the one that gets him to Canastota right now if he never boxes another round?

By contrast, if Canelo died in a plane crash tonight, he has the fights with Mayweather and Cotto. He has the Lara fight. He has a signature KO against Kirkland that is STILL generating memes on the net.

We are talking about greatness, and lil g is selling himself way short.

well, you did indeed succeed in turning the
story 18o° around. so it is GGG ducking and
not the others.

i believe floyd had no interest in that fight
and that the title holders at gennady's own
weight class, namely cotto and canelo, did
super-obviously avoid him and not the other
way round.

and unless you indicate he should jump up
and face kovalev, you have no case whatsoever.

i'm afraid that doesn't change with any more of
your posts but they might get you a job as a
political spin doctor. and i'm only partly joking.
this is a real skill to turn things upside down
and make that twist sound reasonable.

koolkc107 wrote:

man wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:And he is running away from any chance at true greatness.

common, even you yourself don't believe that.

Actually, I do.

I think he can be a great we talk about like the Ray Leonards, Hearns, and Durans.

But none of what I think is going to amount to a hill of beans if he keeps taking the easy road.

The greats challenge themselves, some multiple times.

What fight on lil g's resume qualifies as a legendary challenge? What's his signature win, the one that gets him to Canastota right now if he never boxes another round?

By contrast, if Canelo died in a plane crash tonight, he has the fights with Mayweather and Cotto. He has the Lara fight. He has a signature KO against Kirkland that is STILL generating memes on the net.

We are talking about greatness, and lil g is selling himself way short.

The greats challenge themselves you say, how many greats haven't had a multitude of belts, none that I can remember, how many greats tried to pull a catch weight in a mandatory, threatening to drop the belt if the challenger doesn't agree, none that I can remember, how many greats have disrespected the sport as much as canelo, none that I can remember, your take is that GGG is stopping this fight from happening whereas the majority of intelligent fans UNDERSTAND that mandatory means that canelo is being FORCED to fight GGG due to he being the #1 contender, so in REALITY the only side that will stop this fight happening is canelos, twist it as you like but mandatory defences sometimes seem ridiculous but they sometimes create great fights, canelo isn't bigger than boxing and the weight divisions have been in place from before he was born, if he can't adhere to them then he needs to drop the belt and walk away with his tail between his legs, beaten well before even entering the ring, as for greatness, canelo will never get there trying to pull garbage such as this

Larrylefthook wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:You see, there was no point to respond to Brut. He doesn't react well to being proved wrong.

What proof.

Not one of you Lil g sticklickers has even attempted to explain his lack of greatness.

I'll take that as your submission and acknowledgement that I'm right.

Or, you can try an actual take.

Don't act like you haven't seen my question- Why did FMJ fight Cotto at 154 but force Canelo to go down to 152?
If you poo on GGG then you gotta poo on FMJ.

Because Canelo's camp is the one who offered to have the fight at 152.

And that was a voluntary defence

The End wrote:

Larrylefthook wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:
What proof.

Not one of you Lil g sticklickers has even attempted to explain his lack of greatness.

I'll take that as your submission and acknowledgement that I'm right.

Or, you can try an actual take.

Don't act like you haven't seen my question- Why did FMJ fight Cotto at 154 but force Canelo to go down to 152?
If you poo on GGG then you gotta poo on FMJ.

Because Canelo's camp is the one who offered to have the fight at 152.

Exactly.

That's one of the differences I was referring to.

I know folks think Canelo drained himself too much and they might be right.
They might also be wrong and I do not know if 2 pounds would have made
too much of a difference in the outcome on that particular night. He wasn't
drained against Lara and had some of the same kind of problems.

Man & Purist:

Man, you are saying I am turning the story around and I appreciate the compliment,
backhanded or no, but I am not spinning anything.

There is no need to spin anything because the truth is right there for everyone to see.

If we apply the same rules of what constitutes a "duck" the only conclusion that can be
logically drawn by any rational person is that lil g has avoided almost as many men as
can be said to have avoided him.

And if we look at historical precedent, it is clear to see who is really stopping this
fight from happening and why that is.

In Williams-Martinez we had Punisher dictate the weight in the rematch. The
naturally smaller Punisher had a little leverage in that he didn't need the fight
as much as Sergio did. Worked out pretty well for Maravilla anyway, tho.

In the Pac-Cotto catchweight, we had a champion forced to drain himself or
faced being stripped. That was A-side dictating to B-side.

Mayweather-Alvarez was about Canelo and his people making several mistakes.
I won't go into them here because I promised I would not until someone stepped
up and gave logical, rational answers to what was posed in the OP. But that was
also A-side and B-side.

Golovkin and Loeffler said many times in the past they'd be willing to go down in weight
for a fight with Canelo. Only when they became mandatory has the tune changed. So,
the truth is they are going back on their word and it is this that is stopping the fight
from being made.

Purist, folks need to get it out of their heads that this is about a mandatory defense.

It isn't.

It is about a payday and about each fighter jockeying for the best position they can get.

If anyone thinks lil g's priority is Canelo's belt, they are sadly mistaken.

If that was the case, lil g and Loeffler would have filed court papers last year,
right after the WBC pulled that stunt and basically sided with Canelo. But, they
didn't because the belt is largely irrelevant. It's the payday they really want.

Sure, if they are able to somehow get the WBC to completely strip Canelo (instead
of elevating him to Super Champion or some other such nonsense and giving lil g
the belt he now has) they will take that. But the only use they have for the belt
Canelo now wears is as further leverage (they think) in a fight negotiation with him.
Problem is, not even that will be leverage enough and Canelo has plenty of compelling
alternatives at 147, 154, and yes even 160.

Lil g does not.

My guess is either lil g will cave (and he should since 155 may be just as much of an advantage
to him as it is to Saul) or he will be left holding his codpiece in his hand while Canelo does
another million buys this fall with someone else, belt or no belt.

Haha yeh because FMJ wouldn't agree to 154, I didn't see Canelo fight anyone else at 152 for that title.

Of course Loefler and GGG would prefer to get the title in a ring, but I am pretty sure that this time they will force the issue. Canelo will have to fight at 160 or vacate. They may allow him to buy a pound or two, but 155 is not gonna happen.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Someone please reconcile these hypocritical statements and actions with greatness.

See, this isn't about mandatories or belts- it is about greatness.

Lil g fanboys say Gennady is great now, but truth is we don't know because he wont challenge himself.

You can go down to 154 for a fight with Floyd Mayweather, a welterweight...but
you can't go down one pound less for the guy Mayweather beat easily.

You can go down for the money to be gained from Floyd, but you cant go down a
pound less for the second biggest payday that is currently available.

Which makes even less sense when you add in the fact lil g was cool with going UP
to 168 to fight Froch or Julio Chavez jr., which are actually not as lucrative as a Canelo fight.

Yes, 168 is fine for Jr or Carl but mention Ward and it has to be at 164.

To recap.

1) He can drain himself for one guy, but cant be easier on himself weightwise
for the guy defeated by the guy he would drain himself for.

2) He is willing to go up and down in weight (since it is safe to assume a Froch fight at
168 would mean he'd go back down to 160) for less lucrative fights than just going down for Canelo.
He is willing to be harder on his body for less money.

3) It is OK for lil g as an A-side to ask other fighters to drain themselves but not OK for an
clear A-side to ask lil g to do the same...even though he is on record as saying he would do just that.

So here it is, lil g knobslobbers.

Explain how this is the behavior of a "great" fighter.

Explain this without hiding behind "mandatory", since we know great fighters do whatever
they can to make a great fight, many times without regard for what is "mandatory".

Explain this without mentioning belts, since great fights don't need them AND most of the big fights
lil g has been angling for the past 2 years have had nothing to do with a belt of any kind.

Awesome and factual post but those who suck Triple G's weenie without acknowledging the facts will call you names and hurl girlie insults because they're mad that you put it down like this.

this is far out dude. using your different accounts to support own posts. lmao. idiot. get a life morron !

do you honestly believe ggg is the one who do not want the fight with canelo. gingerhead would less than 4 rounds no matter the weight. will you ever stop being so screwed up ?

It's about the belt and unification, if it wasn't for this mandatory sanctioned fight, GGG could go down to 140 and canelo still wouldn't go near him, right from day 1 canelo and GB have been swerving left and right to avoid GGG, they're already bringing up other names and he still hasn't beaten khan, not that I think that will be a problem, they're putting the excuse in place early

Butterbean wrote:this is far out dude. using your different accounts to support own posts. lmao. idiot. get a life morron !

A fat ass, we are not the same people, I only had the following accounts, Brut, KBB and now Undefeated; Kool C has challenged idiots like you here to prove that we are the same people but so far none of you lames have been willing to have yourselves proven as being wrong.

So if you are going to talk sh*t without facts then you should just stfu and go back to eating butter Lard Ass.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Butterbean wrote:this is far out dude. using your different accounts to support own posts. lmao. idiot. get a life morron !

A fat ass, we are not the same people, I only had the following accounts, Brut, KBB and now Undefeated; Kool C has challenged idiots like you here to prove that we are the same people but so far none of you lames have been willing to have yourselves proven as being wrong.

So if you are going to talk sh*t without facts then you should just stfu and go back to eating butter Lard Ass.

So you guys Brut & (Kool Cigarette) are like the heels in wrestling. The bad guys, rule breakers on Box Rec...

Some folks prefer fantasy to truth.

You show them video of Floyd standing right in front of Pac for 12 rounds and somehow they see him running.

You show them video of Floyd landing counter after counter, stopping Manny dead in his tracks and they see it even.

Look how many cretins on here talk about Floyd holding and running, when he does neither.

The Pac-Floyd fight had a total of 25 times the ref needed to break the fighters, and not all of those holds were
initiated by Mayweather.

In case you are counting, that is 2 clinches per round, perfectly normal in any boxing match.

Ward does not hold excessively either.

For the last time, folks

Holding is not illegal, and one of the first things you learn in the gym is how to tie a guy up.

Excessive holding IS illegal and should get points deducted.

Neither Ward nor Floyd, however, holds excessively.

You have a short memory tooli, floyd initiated 36 clinches in the 1st 5 rounds against maidana, that equates to a clinch every 25 seconds, if that doesn't interfere with the flow of the fight then I don't know what does, that was disgraceful, remember I watched the whole floyd v pac fight in 1/8th speed, counted every landed punch for each fighter, what type of punch it was and at the exact time of the round and not 1 of you floyd fanboys could fault it, I will make you look stupid again if you wish

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Butterbean wrote:this is far out dude. using your different accounts to support own posts. lmao. idiot. get a life morron !

A fat ass, we are not the same people, I only had the following accounts, Brut, KBB and now Undefeated; Kool C has challenged idiots like you here to prove that we are the same people but so far none of you lames have been willing to have yourselves proven as being wrong.

So if you are going to talk sh*t without facts then you should just stfu and go back to eating butter Lard Ass.

Hey dumbass, you said you weren't kbb and brut when you started 48&1, so you lied, why would we believe that your not tooli sybil