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Pureist wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Pureist wrote: , your boring

You'd have thought a man who watched Mayweather v Pacquaio at 1/8th speed would have a much higher boredom threshold.

it was worth it for the results

Pureist wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:So you got nothing, huh?

Again.

One more time, Puke.

If holding by itself is a foul, you don't need to say holding AND hitting is a foul too.

That would be covered by the holding.

And you also wouldn't have to list trying to stay clinched as a foul,
because the clinching itself would take care of that.

Elementary logic, which is probably why you cant understand it.

That and OH Yeah, clinching done sporadically during a bout is never penalized in real fights.

Holding is not illegal; excessive holding is.

I can't help it if your always wrong tooli, it's written right there in the rule book, suck it up

Pureist wrote:some posters here think it is a tactic to hold and clinch and that it is within the rules

caldo2025 wrote:

Pureist wrote:some posters here think it is a tactic to hold and clinch and that it is within the rules

You and I have had this discussion before but this OP is awesome man. Super read.

The overboard of subjectivity involved in Boxing from the way the referees call the fight to the way the judges tally their cards is too great and it really does seem to be getting worse. It's never going to change until Boxing is regulated by one governing body like the rest of the major sports. The sport is still in the dark ages in almost every way possible (testing and ringside medical care has greatly improved). In the dark ages is exactly where the old money in boxing wants it to stay because it's way easier for the black hand of boxing to operate in the shadows like they have for over 100 years. Illegal activity has always had a firm hold of boxing unfortunately.

Back in 2012, Senator McCain tried to get a bill passed to regulate the sport on the heels of the Bradley win over Pacquaio. That decision was so obviously corrupt that it got the attention of lawmakers. With the wars going on, the timing wasn't so hot so who know what happened to the bill? But hopefully McCain won't let it die because he already had success with creating the Muhammad Ali Act so he's the right guy.

Unfortunately, it's probably going to take a disaster like a death in the ring on primetime seen by millions or a scandal like baseball's steroid issue to become the lead story for a month to get the type of attention to warrant intervention. Regulation will improve the obvious failings by the sport but also finally open the door for a Players Association for these boxers once and for all. Because if you are not managing yourself or fighting on PPV, you are a virtual slave in the sport.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

Pureist wrote:some posters here think it is a tactic to hold and clinch and that it is within the rules

You and I have had this discussion before but this OP is awesome man. Super read.

The overboard of subjectivity involved in Boxing from the way the referees call the fight to the way the judges tally their cards is too great and it really does seem to be getting worse. It's never going to change until Boxing is regulated by one governing body like the rest of the major sports. The sport is still in the dark ages in almost every way possible (testing and ringside medical care has greatly improved). In the dark ages is exactly where the old money in boxing wants it to stay because it's way easier for the black hand of boxing to operate in the shadows like they have for over 100 years. Illegal activity has always had a firm hold of boxing unfortunately.

Back in 2012, Senator McCain tried to get a bill passed to regulate the sport on the heels of the Bradley win over Pacquaio. That decision was so obviously corrupt that it got the attention of lawmakers. With the wars going on, the timing wasn't so hot so who know what happened to the bill? But hopefully McCain won't let it die because he already had success with creating the Muhammad Ali Act so he's the right guy.

Unfortunately, it's probably going to take a disaster like a death in the ring on primetime seen by millions or a scandal like baseball's steroid issue to become the lead story for a month to get the type of attention to warrant intervention. Regulation will improve the obvious failings by the sport but also finally open the door for a Players Association for these boxers once and for all. Because if you are not managing yourself or fighting on PPV, you are a virtual slave in the sport.

Trouble is, if there was a major scandal in boxing, nobody would even be surprised, or much care. Most people, including boxing fans think that the sport is corrupt anyway. It's ever been that way.

caldo2025 wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
You and I have had this discussion before but this OP is awesome man. Super read.

The overboard of subjectivity involved in Boxing from the way the referees call the fight to the way the judges tally their cards is too great and it really does seem to be getting worse. It's never going to change until Boxing is regulated by one governing body like the rest of the major sports. The sport is still in the dark ages in almost every way possible (testing and ringside medical care has greatly improved). In the dark ages is exactly where the old money in boxing wants it to stay because it's way easier for the black hand of boxing to operate in the shadows like they have for over 100 years. Illegal activity has always had a firm hold of boxing unfortunately.

Back in 2012, Senator McCain tried to get a bill passed to regulate the sport on the heels of the Bradley win over Pacquaio. That decision was so obviously corrupt that it got the attention of lawmakers. With the wars going on, the timing wasn't so hot so who know what happened to the bill? But hopefully McCain won't let it die because he already had success with creating the Muhammad Ali Act so he's the right guy.

Unfortunately, it's probably going to take a disaster like a death in the ring on primetime seen by millions or a scandal like baseball's steroid issue to become the lead story for a month to get the type of attention to warrant intervention. Regulation will improve the obvious failings by the sport but also finally open the door for a Players Association for these boxers once and for all. Because if you are not managing yourself or fighting on PPV, you are a virtual slave in the sport.

Trouble is, if there was a major scandal in boxing, nobody would even be surprised, or much care. Most people, including boxing fans think that the sport is corrupt anyway. It's ever been that way.

The head trauma concerns in sports is what Boxing should be most worried about right now. The NFL brings in 13 billion dollars a year, their athletes wear helmets, and they still can't get out of the spotlight. It's just a matter of time before extensive studies are done on Boxing and MMA head trauma and the honeymoon's over.