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asdfjkl wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:
x2. The Povetkin fight will prove once and for all if Wilder is real or a phony.

If my memory serves me right, some very similar things were said before he fought Stiverne.

Stiverne beated one subtop fighter in his whole carreer, that pod smoking fatty, I can't remember his name any more. Povetkin swiped out about ten boxers between rank 3 and 20...

No HW in history "swiped out about ten boxers between rank 3 and 20"

You include 40yo, 2y out-of-ring, Larry Donald? 40yo, obese Rahman?? Cruizers Bird, Chambers and Huck(his second best ever)???
Sauerland guys maid an excellent job managing his carreer

T.M.K wrote:Hi all,

we all know the story, but have the victories over Adamek and Helenius helped our view of Wilder's championship reign at all?

Cheers

Col/T.M.K

Absolutely!! I was going to make a similar thread on this same topic, so I'm glad YOU did!!

What's interesting about this situation is that it is very unusual that both perspective-changers happened on the same night & both in Europe!! I noticed it right away & so did a lot of other people.

bigman1968 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

If my memory serves me right, some very similar things were said before he fought Stiverne.

Stiverne beated one subtop fighter in his whole carreer, that pod smoking fatty, I can't remember his name any more. Povetkin swiped out about ten boxers between rank 3 and 20...

No HW in history "swiped out about ten boxers between rank 3 and 20"

You include 40yo, 2y out-of-ring, Larry Donald? 40yo, obese Rahman?? Cruizers Bird, Chambers and Huck(his second best ever)???
Sauerland guys maid an excellent job managing his carreer

Takam, Chagaev, Perez, Charr, name them.

Lol, Rahman? He was ranked 60 or so when he fought Povetkin, no clue what you're talking about, Shannon Briggs got a higher ranking as he had at the time. Huck achieved most of his rating in the babyleagues, not in the heavyweight division. Yea on paper he's probably pretty good, but that's like saying David Haye is a good boxer.

bigman1968 wrote:No HW in history "swiped out about ten boxers between rank 3 and 20"

Are you saying no HW has even beaten ten top twenty opponents?

punchoutsb wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:No HW in history "swiped out about ten boxers between rank 3 and 20"

Are you saying no HW has even beaten ten top twenty opponents?

Maybe Louis in 30's, having 5-8 fights a year...maybe

Today's HW fights twice a year, and meet ranked HW once in two

asdfjkl wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Stiverne beated one subtop fighter in his whole carreer, that pod smoking fatty, I can't remember his name any more. Povetkin swiped out about ten boxers between rank 3 and 20...

No HW in history "swiped out about ten boxers between rank 3 and 20"

You include 40yo, 2y out-of-ring, Larry Donald? 40yo, obese Rahman?? Cruizers Bird, Chambers and Huck(his second best ever)???
Sauerland guys maid an excellent job managing his carreer

Takam, Chagaev, Perez, Charr, name them.

Lol, Rahman? He was ranked 60 or so when he fought Povetkin, no clue what you're talking about, Shannon Briggs got a higher ranking as he had at the time. Huck achieved most of his rating in the babyleagues, not in the heavyweight division. Yea on paper he's probably pretty good, but that's like saying David Haye is a good boxer.

You named 4, actually 3 (Charr wasn't top20).

Just checked, Warzwik and Rahman, both ranked ~50-60 (generously) were Povetkin "Championship" fights WBA
Shpilka, Duhaupas and even Molina looks not bad in comparison

Badhusker wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:Only Duhaupas. Adamek is beyond shot; although, Helenius was coming off a long layoff. He's by all means shot as well, but it was surprising. Molina and Adamek were very even until the KO. It's pretty bad struggling against a shot Adamek.

Helenius had 3 fights in 2015. You are confused. He took off between 2013 and 2014.

Next excuse........

There is no next excuse. Helenius hasn't looked good since his layoff.

bigman1968 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:No HW in history "swiped out about ten boxers between rank 3 and 20"

Are you saying no HW has even beaten ten top twenty opponents?

Maybe Louis in 30's, having 5-8 fights a year...maybe

Today's HW fights twice a year, and meet ranked HW once in two

With a little research you'll find there's been quite a few more than Louis. One of them is currently active.

Mexi-Box wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:Only Duhaupas. Adamek is beyond shot; although, Helenius was coming off a long layoff. He's by all means shot as well, but it was surprising. Molina and Adamek were very even until the KO. It's pretty bad struggling against a shot Adamek.

Helenius had 3 fights in 2015. You are confused. He took off between 2013 and 2014.

Next excuse........

There is no next excuse. Helenius hasn't looked good since his layoff.

Helenius had never looked good. He was merely facing limited opposition.

Tony1244 wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

Badhusker wrote:
Helenius had 3 fights in 2015. You are confused. He took off between 2013 and 2014.

Next excuse........

There is no next excuse. Helenius hasn't looked good since his layoff.

Helenius had never looked good. He was merely facing limited opposition.

I wouldn't disagree with that. I handn't seen Helenius in so long. I forgot how he even looked previously. I think the last fight of his I saw was against Williams. I don't even remember that fight anymore, though.

punchoutsb wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
Are you saying no HW has even beaten ten top twenty opponents?

Maybe Louis in 30's, having 5-8 fights a year...maybe

Today's HW fights twice a year, and meet ranked HW once in two

With a little research you'll find there's been quite a few more than Louis. One of them is currently active.

Who are they? Really curiouse:-)

bigman1968 wrote:Who are they? Really curiouse:-)

Really?

Who do you think contenders beat to earn title shots? Top twenty guys.

Who do you think champions defend against? Top twenty guys.

Muhammad Ali fought seven hall of famers alone. You don't think he faced ten top twenty guys in his career?

I can't recall the last time Wladimir Klitschko fought someone outside the top twenty.

The list of HW's who fought ten top twenty guys is far too extensive to post.

punchoutsb wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:Who are they? Really curiouse:-)

Really?

Who do you think contenders beat to earn title shots? Top twenty guys.

Who do you think champions defend against? Top twenty guys.

Muhammad Ali fought seven hall of famers alone. You don't think he faced ten top twenty guys in his career?

I can't recall the last time Wladimir Klitschko fought someone outside the top twenty.

The list of HW's who fought ten top twenty guys is far too extensive to post.

My appologies to Ali the GreatestO:)

Just today we have "championship" fight with two guys that never won top20 guy....disgrace.

bigman1968 wrote:My appologies to Ali the GreatestO:)

Just today we have "championship" fight with two guys that never won top20 guy....disgrace.

Today's fight is a good fight, though being for a title is a bit of a farce. But yeah it's not at all uncommon to face ten top twenties.

Perseus wrote:

Lancenix wrote:I really does not matter. may 21st. he is going to fight Potvetkin and he will be judged on that fight. It is a step up from everything else he has done. Either he will come across as legit or just another propped up bum with a padded record. That is all that matters.

Excellent post.

Thank you sir.

punchoutsb wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:My appologies to Ali the GreatestO:)

Just today we have "championship" fight with two guys that never won top20 guy....disgrace.

Today's fight is a good fight, though being for a title is a bit of a farce. But yeah it's not at all uncommon to face ten top twenties.

Truth be told. Charles Martin showed big stones travelling to foreign turf for his first defense, but he's probably not much better than Duhaupas IF he is at all, based on their respective records and quality of opposition. His lack of amateur experience really showed today as well.

Martin never moved his head even a little and his defense was non-existent.

Best Coast wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:My appologies to Ali the GreatestO:)

Just today we have "championship" fight with two guys that never won top20 guy....disgrace.

Today's fight is a good fight, though being for a title is a bit of a farce. But yeah it's not at all uncommon to face ten top twenties.

Truth be told. Charles Martin showed big stones travelling to foreign turf for his first defense, but he's probably not much better than Duhaupas IF he is at all, based on their respective records and quality of opposition. His lack of amateur experience really showed today as well.

Martin never moved his head even a little and his defense was non-existent.

Martin knew he couldn't defend the title against anyone close to legitimate and keep it, so he followed the money trail.

I'd take Duhaupas over Martin easily. Martin suffers from severe lack of skill.

punchoutsb wrote:

Best Coast wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
Today's fight is a good fight, though being for a title is a bit of a farce. But yeah it's not at all uncommon to face ten top twenties.

Truth be told. Charles Martin showed big stones travelling to foreign turf for his first defense, but he's probably not much better than Duhaupas IF he is at all, based on their respective records and quality of opposition. His lack of amateur experience really showed today as well.

Martin never moved his head even a little and his defense was non-existent.

Martin knew he couldn't defend the title against anyone close to legitimate and keep it, so he followed the money trail.

I'd take Duhaupas over Martin easily. Martin suffers from severe lack of skill.

Even Firtha beats Martin and im not joking. Go watch him against Zumbabo Love