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ikorolev wrote:

$$Money$$ wrote:

Pureist wrote:With all the GGG knockers on the boards saying he has fought no names, can you please explain to me why he should fight canelo at 155, if he really isn't that good then canelo should be able to beat him at 160, so where is the problem

I believe the problem lies in the sense that GGG says it's ok to fight Floyd at 154 for a money fight but it isn't ok to fight for a little less money with less risks facing Canelo at 155.

Add the above to the fact that it appears to be too much of a risk with little reward facing Ward at a CW for a fight and it comes off as either GGG/his team believes he is a Shot Caller or they may not be as confident in him as his fans appear to be.

Either way, he cannot have it his way and should capitulate to one of them for a fight that can surely bring him bigger money than he's ever made and PPV fame.

The problem is that some fans including you can't logically think. Golovkin is a MW and wants to get all MW belts. Moving up or down is totally VOLUNTARY. So, yes, he will move up or down for a significant financial reward, and he has a right to decide whether to take a fight in a different weight class or not. Canelo fight is not a move to JMW. It is a MW unification fight, so it should be at a legal MW limit of 160.

Did i say something derogatory towards or about GGG?

Then why say I'm not thinking logically?? It appears from what you wrote that either you're being "Illogical " or you're making excuses.

You can't call fairness when GGG is apparently even unwilling to face Lara who said he'd fight him at full 160/MW.

What excuse or Illogical reasoning do you have for that to explain this??

Pureist wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:

Pureist wrote:With all the GGG knockers on the boards saying he has fought no names, can you please explain to me why he should fight canelo at 155, if he really isn't that good then canelo should be able to beat him at 160, so where is the problem

he should say yes to lara. he should push more for a fight with jacobs. calll out andy lee, levgen khtrov, eubank etc...

i dont believe in when you are #1 you dont call nobody out. damn, when your career is not coming forward, than push for the best fights!!

Find me something saying Lara and his team have tried to make this fight happen, I can't find anything

Lara and his team have been calling GGG out for a while now its all over the web just go look.

But no GGG acts likes he's Floyd, Manny ot Canelo and thinks he can pick well he can pick and choose and if he keeps it up by the time he knows it his career will be over.

Does Lara have a MW belt or bring a very significant payday, no, did ward have a MW belt or bring a significant payday, no. Does canelo have a MW belt and bring a significant payday, YES, can canelo enforce a catch weight in a mandatory fight, NO, when Oscar, cotto, Mosley fought pacquaio and lost did all you floyd fans say he drained them and use that as an excuse why he beat them, YES, is GGG smart for not draining himself, YES, is canelo a real MW, YES, as you stipulated 155 is within the MW range so he is a REAL MW, did GGG say he wanted to unify the MW division, YES, did GGG say he would go to 154 to fight floyd, YES, does floyd bring much more to the table than canelo YES!!!!!, should GGG give canelo an advantage when canelo himself said that he wouldn't give GGG an advantage, NO Quite logical really, now answer this tooli, who will canelo fight after dropping the MW belt, where will his big dollar fights be, fighting who, Mexicans won't look at him the same way, and to you bazooka, doesn't Lara's team have a phone, why can't they ring k2 to put a negotiation forward, easy to say it's all over the net, who put it there, if they were serious why wouldn't they email k2, then there would be some kind of proof they are actually trying to make the fight and not just trying to make themselves relevant, promoters contact promoters to set up fights, propaganda is written on the net

$$Money$$ wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

$$Money$$ wrote:
I believe the problem lies in the sense that GGG says it's ok to fight Floyd at 154 for a money fight but it isn't ok to fight for a little less money with less risks facing Canelo at 155.

Add the above to the fact that it appears to be too much of a risk with little reward facing Ward at a CW for a fight and it comes off as either GGG/his team believes he is a Shot Caller or they may not be as confident in him as his fans appear to be.

Either way, he cannot have it his way and should capitulate to one of them for a fight that can surely bring him bigger money than he's ever made and PPV fame.

The problem is that some fans including you can't logically think. Golovkin is a MW and wants to get all MW belts. Moving up or down is totally VOLUNTARY. So, yes, he will move up or down for a significant financial reward, and he has a right to decide whether to take a fight in a different weight class or not. Canelo fight is not a move to JMW. It is a MW unification fight, so it should be at a legal MW limit of 160.

Did i say something derogatory towards or about GGG?

Then why say I'm not thinking logically?? It appears from what you wrote that either you're being "Illogical " or you're making excuses.

You can't call fairness when GGG is apparently even unwilling to face Lara who said he'd fight him at full 160/MW.

What excuse or Illogical reasoning do you have for that to explain this??

So a few tweets make something apparent ? As Pureist already said, tweets is not how fights get maid. Also, somebody already quoted an article proving that Lara doesn't want that fight:
http://www.BS.com/golovkins-pr ... eam--92420 .
Also, when GGG was available, Lara's trainer started saying that he doesn't have to move up, as he has lots of options at 154. So, your "apparently" is another illustration of faulty logic.

Pureist wrote:Does Lara have a MW belt or bring a very significant payday, no, did ward have a MW belt or bring a significant payday, no. Does canelo have a MW belt and bring a significant payday, YES, can canelo enforce a catch weight in a mandatory fight, NO, when Oscar, cotto, Mosley fought pacquaio and lost did all you floyd fans say he drained them and use that as an excuse why he beat them, YES, is GGG smart for not draining himself, YES, is canelo a real MW, YES, as you stipulated 155 is within the MW range so he is a REAL MW, did GGG say he wanted to unify the MW division, YES, did GGG say he would go to 154 to fight floyd, YES, does floyd bring much more to the table than canelo YES!!!!!, should GGG give canelo an advantage when canelo himself said that he wouldn't give GGG an advantage, NO Quite logical really, now answer this tooli, who will canelo fight after dropping the MW belt, where will his big dollar fights be, fighting who, Mexicans won't look at him the same way, and to you bazooka, doesn't Lara's team have a phone, why can't they ring k2 to put a negotiation forward, easy to say it's all over the net, who put it there, if they were serious why wouldn't they email k2, then there would be some kind of proof they are actually trying to make the fight and not just trying to make themselves relevant, promoters contact promoters to set up fights, propaganda is written on the net

stop your nonsense. lara is more known than dominic wade ..........anybody is more known than wade...hhaha just stop it. ggg is a ducker if he doesnt start taking on guys like lara or call outs for guys like jacobs etc. if you dont get a fight, at least push for it.

Wade is GGG mandatory, he has to fight him, you struggle with remembering your name don't you, just to clear that up a mandatory is an opponent your sanctioning body MAKES you fight, don't worry, I know you won't offer any sensible response because your just a dumb troll, any other issues with what I wrote knucklehead

Pureist wrote:Does Lara have a MW belt or bring a very significant payday, no, did ward have a MW belt or bring a significant payday, no. Does canelo have a MW belt and bring a significant payday, YES, can canelo enforce a catch weight in a mandatory fight, NO, when Oscar, cotto, Mosley fought pacquaio and lost did all you floyd fans say he drained them and use that as an excuse why he beat them, YES, is GGG smart for not draining himself, YES, is canelo a real MW, YES, as you stipulated 155 is within the MW range so he is a REAL MW, did GGG say he wanted to unify the MW division, YES, did GGG say he would go to 154 to fight floyd, YES, does floyd bring much more to the table than canelo YES!!!!!, should GGG give canelo an advantage when canelo himself said that he wouldn't give GGG an advantage, NO Quite logical really, now answer this tooli, who will canelo fight after dropping the MW belt, where will his big dollar fights be, fighting who, Mexicans won't look at him the same way, and to you bazooka, doesn't Lara's team have a phone, why can't they ring k2 to put a negotiation forward, easy to say it's all over the net, who put it there, if they were serious why wouldn't they email k2, then there would be some kind of proof they are actually trying to make the fight and not just trying to make themselves relevant, promoters contact promoters to set up fights, propaganda is written on the net

So instead of facing a proven elite fighter like Lara they instead have chosen greats like Willie Monroe and Dominick wade.

Wow yeah makes a lot of sense.

GGGs team have gone on record saying that they are not intrested in Lara right now and that is out there too.

But keep picking those top fighters team GGG you guys are doing a helluva job. Ha

kidbazooka1 wrote:

Pureist wrote:Does Lara have a MW belt or bring a very significant payday, no, did ward have a MW belt or bring a significant payday, no. Does canelo have a MW belt and bring a significant payday, YES, can canelo enforce a catch weight in a mandatory fight, NO, when Oscar, cotto, Mosley fought pacquaio and lost did all you floyd fans say he drained them and use that as an excuse why he beat them, YES, is GGG smart for not draining himself, YES, is canelo a real MW, YES, as you stipulated 155 is within the MW range so he is a REAL MW, did GGG say he wanted to unify the MW division, YES, did GGG say he would go to 154 to fight floyd, YES, does floyd bring much more to the table than canelo YES!!!!!, should GGG give canelo an advantage when canelo himself said that he wouldn't give GGG an advantage, NO Quite logical really, now answer this tooli, who will canelo fight after dropping the MW belt, where will his big dollar fights be, fighting who, Mexicans won't look at him the same way, and to you bazooka, doesn't Lara's team have a phone, why can't they ring k2 to put a negotiation forward, easy to say it's all over the net, who put it there, if they were serious why wouldn't they email k2, then there would be some kind of proof they are actually trying to make the fight and not just trying to make themselves relevant, promoters contact promoters to set up fights, propaganda is written on the net

So instead of facing a proven elite fighter like Lara they instead have chosen greats like Willie Monroe and Dominick wade.

Wow yeah makes a lot of sense.

GGGs team have gone on record saying that they are not intrested in Lara right now and that is out there too.

But keep picking those top fighters team GGG you guys are doing a helluva job. Ha

Right now they're waiting to see if born ready Alvarez has the courage to fight GGG or would rather give up the belt. But you'll find that dominant champs rarely are very interested in guys from a division below, who are prohibitive underdogs and negative draws, esp if the no hoper is playing coy

They didn't pick Wade, he's the IBF mando. The ranks are weak, wide open for someone like Lara to waltz in and claim the slot if he wants it, which he doesn't

Hit the nail on the head there, if Lara's team can't get on the phone then that shows how interested they are, Lara's only after publicity

ikorolev wrote:So a few tweets make something apparent ? As Pureist already said, tweets is not how fights get maid. Also, somebody already quoted an article proving that Lara doesn't want that fight:
http://www.BS.com/golovkins-pr ... eam--92420 .
Also, when GGG was available, Lara's trainer started saying that he doesn't have to move up, as he has lots of options at 154. So, your "apparently" is another illustration of faulty logic.

Yes my logic is faulty:


http://www.boxingnews24.com/2014/02/gol ... lara-bout/

http://www.BS.com/trout-lara-c ... ow--100351

http://www.BS.com/golovkins-co ... hot--93854

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2016/01/tro ... -year-now/

Just reading the titles of those pages alone would indicate that I'm not picking on GGG just reporting the facts, and yes a "few" tweets makes something apparent.

$$Money$$ wrote:

ikorolev wrote:So a few tweets make something apparent ? As Pureist already said, tweets is not how fights get maid. Also, somebody already quoted an article proving that Lara doesn't want that fight:
http://www.BS.com/golovkins-pr ... eam--92420 .
Also, when GGG was available, Lara's trainer started saying that he doesn't have to move up, as he has lots of options at 154. So, your "apparently" is another illustration of faulty logic.

Yes my logic is faulty:


http://www.boxingnews24.com/2014/02/gol ... lara-bout/

http://www.BS.com/trout-lara-c ... ow--100351

http://www.BS.com/golovkins-co ... hot--93854

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2016/01/tro ... -year-now/

Just reading the titles of those pages alone would indicate that I'm not picking on GGG just reporting the facts, and yes a "few" tweets makes something apparent.

GGG fans will respond with but but but but.

Bottom line GGGs people dont want no part of Lara and they are content to keep fighting these bum of the month mandatory.

The guys that have proven themselves in the sport are the ones that have said eff the belts i want the big names but clearly for GGG thats not a concern.

He wants to jump straight to the biggest name instead of providing his worth thats not how it works in this game, beating Lara would prove a lot but obviously his ppl dont want it.

So keep bringing on the Monroe's, wade and whatever other no name fighters from across the pond.

kidbazooka1 wrote:

$$Money$$ wrote:

ikorolev wrote:So a few tweets make something apparent ? As Pureist already said, tweets is not how fights get maid. Also, somebody already quoted an article proving that Lara doesn't want that fight:
http://www.BS.com/golovkins-pr ... eam--92420 .
Also, when GGG was available, Lara's trainer started saying that he doesn't have to move up, as he has lots of options at 154. So, your "apparently" is another illustration of faulty logic.

Yes my logic is faulty:


http://www.boxingnews24.com/2014/02/gol ... lara-bout/

http://www.BS.com/trout-lara-c ... ow--100351

http://www.BS.com/golovkins-co ... hot--93854

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2016/01/tro ... -year-now/

Just reading the titles of those pages alone would indicate that I'm not picking on GGG just reporting the facts, and yes a "few" tweets makes something apparent.

GGG fans will respond with but but but but.

Bottom line GGGs people dont want no part of Lara and they are content to keep fighting these bum of the month mandatory.

The guys that have proven themselves in the sport are the ones that have said eff the belts i want the big names but clearly for GGG thats not a concern.

He wants to jump straight to the biggest name instead of providing his worth thats not how it works in this game, beating Lara would prove a lot but obviously his ppl dont want it.

So keep bringing on the Monroe's, wade and whatever other no name fighters from across the pond.

There's no bigger name than Ggg above 155 at this point. He's Canelos mando, so earning it is beside the point. Canelo either needs to face the mando or surrender the belt

$$Money$$ wrote:

ikorolev wrote:So a few tweets make something apparent ? As Pureist already said, tweets is not how fights get maid. Also, somebody already quoted an article proving that Lara doesn't want that fight:
http://www.BS.com/golovkins-pr ... eam--92420 .
Also, when GGG was available, Lara's trainer started saying that he doesn't have to move up, as he has lots of options at 154. So, your "apparently" is another illustration of faulty logic.

Yes my logic is faulty:


http://www.boxingnews24.com/2014/02/gol ... lara-bout/

http://www.BS.com/trout-lara-c ... ow--100351

http://www.BS.com/golovkins-co ... hot--93854

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2016/01/tro ... -year-now/

Just reading the titles of those pages alone would indicate that I'm not picking on GGG just reporting the facts, and yes a "few" tweets makes something apparent.

Yes, Lara has been "calling Golovkin out" on twitter. No practical moves have been made by his team. And yes, he could easilly deserve the fight by becoming a mandatory, but his team didn't make those moves either. Instead, he is fighting journeymen like Rodriguez or Zaveck.

ikorolev wrote:Yes, Lara has been "calling Golovkin out" on twitter. No practical moves have been made by his team. And yes, he could easilly deserve the fight by becoming a mandatory, but his team didn't make those moves either. Instead, he is fighting journeymen like Rodriguez or Zaveck.

No practical moves have been made by GGG's team either, they're the ones who need a big named opponent to prove himself. Fighting Lara at full MW is far better than facing his current or past opponent's at MW.

In fact, I'd say Lara is a bigger fight than anyone GGG has faced to this day.

No need to be angry about the facts bro, these are just the facts. I don't agree that Canelo should face him at 155 but at the same time I cannot agree that it is ok for him to drop to face Floyd at 154 for $$$ when Canelo brings in cash too with much less risks.

It's obvious that GGG won't face Canelo at 155

Won't face Lara at 160

Won't face Ward at 168

Will face Floyd at 154.

None of this makes sense, if this was any other fighter then we all would be very critical of him.

$$Money$$ wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Yes, Lara has been "calling Golovkin out" on twitter. No practical moves have been made by his team. And yes, he could easilly deserve the fight by becoming a mandatory, but his team didn't make those moves either. Instead, he is fighting journeymen like Rodriguez or Zaveck.

No practical moves have been made by GGG's team either, they're the ones who need a big named opponent to prove himself. Fighting Lara at full MW is far better than facing his current or past opponent's at MW.

In fact, I'd say Lara is a bigger fight than anyone GGG has faced to this day.

No need to be angry about the facts bro, these are just the facts. I don't agree that Canelo should face him at 155 but at the same time I cannot agree that it is ok for him to drop to face Floyd at 154 for $$$ when Canelo brings in cash too with much less risks.

It's obvious that GGG won't face Canelo at 155

Won't face Lara at 160

Won't face Ward at 168

Will face Floyd at 154.

None of this makes sense, if this was any other fighter then we all would be very critical of him.

This only doesn't make sense to haters or people with no brains. I have to quote my response to you FROM THIS THREAD:

The problem is that some fans including you can't logically think. Golovkin is a MW and wants to get all MW belts. Moving up or down is totally VOLUNTARY. So, yes, he will move up or down for a significant financial reward, and he has a right to decide whether to take a fight in a different weight class or not. Canelo fight is not a move to JMW. It is a MW unification fight, so it should be at a legal MW limit of 160.

Arranging Lara fight requires a significant effort due to Lara being a Haymon fighter, Lara being so boring ( = hard to get approved by HBO), Lara's very low drawing ability. So, why would Loefler even bother unless contacted by Lara's team ?

ikorolev wrote:

$$Money$$ wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Yes, Lara has been "calling Golovkin out" on twitter. No practical moves have been made by his team. And yes, he could easilly deserve the fight by becoming a mandatory, but his team didn't make those moves either. Instead, he is fighting journeymen like Rodriguez or Zaveck.

No practical moves have been made by GGG's team either, they're the ones who need a big named opponent to prove himself. Fighting Lara at full MW is far better than facing his current or past opponent's at MW.

In fact, I'd say Lara is a bigger fight than anyone GGG has faced to this day.

No need to be angry about the facts bro, these are just the facts. I don't agree that Canelo should face him at 155 but at the same time I cannot agree that it is ok for him to drop to face Floyd at 154 for $$$ when Canelo brings in cash too with much less risks.

It's obvious that GGG won't face Canelo at 155

Won't face Lara at 160

Won't face Ward at 168

Will face Floyd at 154.

None of this makes sense, if this was any other fighter then we all would be very critical of him.

This only doesn't make sense to haters or people with no brains. I have to quote my response to you FROM THIS THREAD:

The problem is that some fans including you can't logically think. Golovkin is a MW and wants to get all MW belts. Moving up or down is totally VOLUNTARY. So, yes, he will move up or down for a significant financial reward, and he has a right to decide whether to take a fight in a different weight class or not. Canelo fight is not a move to JMW. It is a MW unification fight, so it should be at a legal MW limit of 160.

So basically what you are saying is that anyone who doesn't agree with what you said has NO BRAINS and is a HATER??

I guess in your anger you failed to read the part in my post where I said "I don't agree with the Canelo fight at 155". <<<I guess that makes me a Hater and have no brain.

The only part of your logic I can agree with is what I typed above, the rest just comes off as though you are giving him a pass thus making excuses for him in facing those other fighters.

You and he cannot be right and everyone else wrong.

$$Money$$ wrote: So basically what you are saying is that anyone who doesn't agree with what you said has NO BRAINS and is a HATER??

I guess in your anger you failed to read the part in my post where I said "I don't agree with the Canelo fight at 155". <<<I guess that makes me a Hater and have no brain.

The only part of your logic I can agree with is what I typed above, the rest just comes off as though you are giving him a pass thus making excuses for him in facing those other fighters.

You and he cannot be right and everyone else wrong.

No, what I am saying is that people who can't or don't want to understand simple logic have no brains or are haters.

ikorolev wrote:

$$Money$$ wrote: So basically what you are saying is that anyone who doesn't agree with what you said has NO BRAINS and is a HATER??

I guess in your anger you failed to read the part in my post where I said "I don't agree with the Canelo fight at 155". <<<I guess that makes me a Hater and have no brain.

The only part of your logic I can agree with is what I typed above, the rest just comes off as though you are giving him a pass thus making excuses for him in facing those other fighters.

You and he cannot be right and everyone else wrong.

No, what I am saying is that people who can't or don't want to understand simple logic have no brains or are haters.

Your logic is only simple in the respect that GGG wants all the MW belts and facing Canelo should be at that weight with no CW. I agree with that but you are ignoring the rest of the equation.

GGG cannot have it his way facing Ward at a higher weight, at 154 facing Floyd and if Lara who said he wants him at full MW is making no CW demands then GGG should face him to make money since there's no belt involved plus it would bring him a credible opponent<<better than the names he has been currently facing.

Loefler says "no more deals":

http://www.BS.com/golovkins-pr ... lo--103629?

I hope they do stand their ground this time. F4ck Canelo and his money if he refuses to fight at 160. Take his title and move on to Saunders or Eubank Jr if he beats BJS.