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When someone is successful they tend to have people gunning for them online.

Paul and Stephen Smith showed enormous improvements in punching technique. Prior to Joe they were mauling and smothering their own work. Their fights were difficult to watch. Paul stopping Dodson and Stephen blowing out Buckland showed how he improved fighters in terms of correct punching and how much their fights improved as spectacles. Macklin was another domestic fighter who improved under Joe, placing his punches better and blasting out Elcock and Asikainen for British and European titles in successive fights.

He's getting closer to the bigger prizes, with big domestic then European wins and only recently the world titles (Liam Smith, Crolla and for a while Quigg). Callum Smith looks a huge prospect and I believe will take his fighters further to the next level, not just winning world title fights but the biggest fights.

As annoying as the man might be...to use Paul Smith losing to Andre Ward as some kind of stick to do Joe G down is a little desperate

SNG wrote:

fizzjambo wrote:

bripez wrote:
Therefore Gallagher should have at least a 50% success rate?

I reckon it'll be much higher than 50%, more like 90%.

I don't know Gallagher or anyone connected with his gym at all but he gets some shocking abuse on this forum - much of it childish.

He can come across a bit spikey in interviews but who honestly gives a toss? Who on here does it effect?

I'm not saying he's faultless - there are obviously legitimate critisisms regarding Quigg v Frampton for example. Nowt wrong in disagreeing with tactics but it's like a teenage girl bitchfest sometimes!

X2.

I was here during Paul Smith's short time posting here and it was embarrassing. Obviously all us fans know best, pity none of us move into boxing full time and show them how it should be done!

It can sometimes be hard to gauge... Is it a very good trainer who has managed to get boxers beating there own level easy , but not just managing to be succesful at the next step , Or is it a mediorcre trainer who has had success by undermatching his boxers , and they get wallpoed when fighting at there own level .

Toss a coin in this case , But success does breed success , and the up coming lads in a gym full of good fighters will definetly learn and improve watching and sparring the better lads... But the thing is, can the coach take them better fighters to the next level , where they have to fight for 50-50 titles,

Autobarn wrote:When someone is successful they tend to have people gunning for them online.

Paul and Stephen Smith showed enormous improvements in punching technique. Prior to Joe they were mauling and smothering their own work. Their fights were difficult to watch. Paul stopping Dodson and Stephen blowing out Buckland showed how he improved fighters in terms of correct punching and how much their fights improved as spectacles. Macklin was another domestic fighter who improved under Joe, placing his punches better and blasting out Elcock and Asikainen for British and European titles in successive fights.

He's getting closer to the bigger prizes, with big domestic then European wins and only recently the world titles (Liam Smith, Crolla and for a while Quigg). Callum Smith looks a huge prospect and I believe will take his fighters further to the next level, not just winning world title fights but the biggest fights.

World titles?
Liam Smith wouldn't fight Andrade the champion. He the beat the world no.64 Thompson for the vacant belt and defended against no.100 Kelly.
Rigondeaux was the champion but Quigg didn't box him and drew with the world no.79 Salinas for a lesser version of the same belt.
Crolla has won a lesser version of the title by drawing and then beating the world no.42 Perez.

Callum Smith does look a huge prospect, but given the tactics and cornerwork seen in Smith and Quigg's fights, could he come unstuck in a genuine 50/50 fight.

tobyh5 wrote:I dislike Tesco Joe and find his interviews nauseating in the extreme.

Genuine question - did he used to work at Tesco??

BigDoofus wrote:

Autobarn wrote:When someone is successful they tend to have people gunning for them online.

Paul and Stephen Smith showed enormous improvements in punching technique. Prior to Joe they were mauling and smothering their own work. Their fights were difficult to watch. Paul stopping Dodson and Stephen blowing out Buckland showed how he improved fighters in terms of correct punching and how much their fights improved as spectacles. Macklin was another domestic fighter who improved under Joe, placing his punches better and blasting out Elcock and Asikainen for British and European titles in successive fights.

He's getting closer to the bigger prizes, with big domestic then European wins and only recently the world titles (Liam Smith, Crolla and for a while Quigg). Callum Smith looks a huge prospect and I believe will take his fighters further to the next level, not just winning world title fights but the biggest fights.

World titles?
Liam Smith wouldn't fight Andrade the champion. He the beat the world no.64 Thompson for the vacant belt and defended against no.100 Kelly.
Rigondeaux was the champion but Quigg didn't box him and drew with the world no.79 Salinas for a lesser version of the same belt.
Crolla has won a lesser version of the title by drawing and then beating the world no.42 Perez.

Callum Smith does look a huge prospect, but given the tactics and cornerwork seen in Smith and Quigg's fights, could he come unstuck in a genuine 50/50 fight.

If Callum goes in trying to knock out George Groves, for example, he'd get boxed silly and eat the wrong end of GG's jab for 12 rounds.

whiteboy wrote:As annoying as the man might be...to use Paul Smith losing to Andre Ward as some kind of stick to do Joe G down is a little desperate

What about Smith's weight and conditioning for that fight or do you really believe that Gallagher's scales were faulty??

MarkMcBurney wrote: If Callum goes in trying to knock out George Groves, for example, he'd get boxed silly and eat the wrong end of GG's jab for 12 rounds.

Gallagher has been calling Groves out for a year. Now the fight could easily be made I'm guessing he will stop.

Where's this tesco Joe come from did he actually work at tesco's haha, he use to work at mcr airport for a long time as a storeman but told people he had a high pressure job as some sort of flight control job or whatever !

keithmoonhangover wrote:Amazing fact #76. 50% of all boxers in big fights lose.

Not mathematically true - given that some boxers will win multiple times it stands that much more than 50% of boxers will lose in big fights

BigDoofus wrote:

Autobarn wrote:When someone is successful they tend to have people gunning for them online.

Paul and Stephen Smith showed enormous improvements in punching technique. Prior to Joe they were mauling and smothering their own work. Their fights were difficult to watch. Paul stopping Dodson and Stephen blowing out Buckland showed how he improved fighters in terms of correct punching and how much their fights improved as spectacles. Macklin was another domestic fighter who improved under Joe, placing his punches better and blasting out Elcock and Asikainen for British and European titles in successive fights.

He's getting closer to the bigger prizes, with big domestic then European wins and only recently the world titles (Liam Smith, Crolla and for a while Quigg). Callum Smith looks a huge prospect and I believe will take his fighters further to the next level, not just winning world title fights but the biggest fights.

World titles?
Liam Smith wouldn't fight Andrade the champion. He the beat the world no.64 Thompson for the vacant belt and defended against no.100 Kelly.
Rigondeaux was the champion but Quigg didn't box him and drew with the world no.79 Salinas for a lesser version of the same belt.
Crolla has won a lesser version of the title by drawing and then beating the world no.42 Perez.

Callum Smith does look a huge prospect, but given the tactics and cornerwork seen in Smith and Quigg's fights, could he come unstuck in a genuine 50/50 fight.

Well no one wants Rigondeaux do they? Including Santa Cruz. Including HBO. Frampton is vacating if he hasn't done already. The reasoning behind ignoring Rigo is to make the attractive fights. Ironically Rigo's fight with Amagasa was far more dramatic and exciting than the one we all waited for, Frampton v Quigg.

Quigg is solid and has done very good work but appears to have issues letting his hands go and the problem was seen vs Salinas as well. He's just not naturally very fast for a guy of his weight and he lacks the strength and power that allowed the outstanding Israel Vazquez to compensate, a few years ago, for his lack of speed. Frampton was faster, more mobile and more awkward and that gave him enough edge to take what I felt was a close fight. I feel Quigg will go on to do good work.

British fighters, or fighters from anywhere, often get indirect routes to titles. And then gradually get ready for meaningful fights. I do think Liam Smith looks promising. Let's see what happens with a bigger name opponent. I'm not writing him off because I've seen others get in the back door and become very good.

Callum Smith v Rocky Fielding was talked up as a 50-50 fight, and Smith won so decisively that the goalposts have moved regarding the what the 50-50 fight actually is. Joe trains a lot of guys who are aggressive and heavy in their legs. At their best they are patient and methodical,,punch correctly, and use body punching to apply pressure and wear down the opponent.

Crolla was meant to fight Abril and if I remember right the fight not happening was down to the latter. Crolla got his chance by beating Rees, a former world champ, and Murray, a former title challenger. Nothing wrong with the tactics in those two fights. I saw some real subtleties in the Rees fight, whom Crolla kept off balance and flailing throughout. (I was on these boards during the fight, nothing but a bunch of whiners crying about the Sky Sports team, tiresome, nothing of value on the fight itself). He's shown constant improvement, and terrific will power to rebound from setbacks outside and inside the ring (losing to al hamidi and losing in prize fighter).

Joe is trainer of the year and I don't think we've even seen the best of his fighters yet. I was a believer in him when he had Murray going in with Lee Meager for the British title 2008. Many wrote them off including Boxing News. Chuffed to see him doing well.

Autobarn wrote: Callum Smith v Rocky Fielding was talked up as a 50-50 fight, and Smith won so decisively that the goalposts have moved regarding the what the 50-50 fight actually is. Joe trains a lot of guys who are aggressive and heavy in their legs. At their best they are patient and methodical,,punch correctly, and use body punching to apply pressure and wear down the opponent.

I don't know who thought Smith v Fielding was a 50-50 fight? I thought the consensus was that Smith would win easily, which he did.

Boxerbeetle wrote:

Autobarn wrote: Callum Smith v Rocky Fielding was talked up as a 50-50 fight, and Smith won so decisively that the goalposts have moved regarding the what the 50-50 fight actually is. Joe trains a lot of guys who are aggressive and heavy in their legs. At their best they are patient and methodical,,punch correctly, and use body punching to apply pressure and wear down the opponent.

I don't know who thought Smith v Fielding was a 50-50 fight? I thought the consensus was that Smith would win easily, which he did.

The goalposts haven't moved. Smith was 3/10 favourite - Fielding was 73/20.

Autobarn wrote: Crolla got his chance by beating Rees, a former world champ, and Murray, a former title challenger.

True. He beat 33 year old Rees on a majority decision 6 years after Rees' title win. Murray retired after failing in his title challenge (another Gallagher big fight) and had a long boozy lay-off not boxing for almost 2 years.