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Rob3_142 wrote:

stayinshape wrote:I like Joshuas Team and their fast-making-fights in one year attitude....
Reminds me of Tyson in the 80's with 15 Fights/Year...

Of course...Joshuas Fight style... i-need-4-round-than-take-my-shower-as-winner... and no marks in his face ist another thing why fightplaning goes fast...

I would prefer Stiverne, too....granite-chin is most important against Joshua..i hope Stiverne learned a lot how to handle very long arms since wilder days..and i hope when he fights Joshua, he will bring good fight-weight...these around 240 lbs are too much...i think around 230 lbs will be better for him.

Well to be fair it would be a joke to give him 6 months off after the Martin fight. He's basically done the work equivalent of me running down to the shop for a bottle of milk. May as well crack on with the learning process!

It's the camps rather than how long the fight actually lasts - AJ is always training though so him fighting every two/three months (if no damage from previous fight) then that makes sense

bigman1968 wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPeYplT2qPU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aFDPvhgk_s

It's really interesting watching both these matches at the same time and comparing the styles. Joshua seems quite compact, accurate, and is more busy. Wilder is a bit more rangy, arms and legs kinda all over the place, but much better movement. I know it's kinda hard to compare the two fights as I know Gavern was quite short notice for Joshua so probably not that well prepped. The Wilder - Gavern seemed a bit more of a boxing match, but Joshua - Gavern seemed a little bit more like a lamb to the slaughter.

Anyhow those compares are nonsense.

Put also Wilder-Firta and Povetkin-Firta videos. Basing on this video - Povetkin should not be standing near Wilder!
And they are 50:50 by betting sites for their next fight-)))

That was 6 years ago lol, Wilder was fighting "Dan Sheehan" back then :S is that really the way you look at it?

asdfjkl wrote:

Horse wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:So Wilder is a nobody as well?

Wilder is a much more proven fighter than Joshua.

Why? Joshua fought just as much boxrec top 100 opponends as Wilder and KOed them loads and loads more fast on avarage.

I don't know why you keep on bringing up how quickly fighters knock their opponents out - it really isn't a good measure for how good they are. I think the best way to compare records at this stage is to look at their highest rated opponents. Of course the BoxRec ratings aren't perfect, but they're as good a yardstick as any.

Deontay Wilder's best 8 opponents:
Bermane Stiverne - 245 points
Artur Szpilka - 166 points
Audley Harrison - 112 points (artificially high rating due to recent success in Prizefighter)
Johann Duhaupas - 107 points
Eric Molina - 98 points
Malik Scott - 87 points
Kelvin Price - 56 points
Siarhei Liakhovich - 54 points
TOTAL = 925

Anthony Joshua's best 8 opponents:
Charles Martin - 260 points (artificially high rating due to walkover win over Glazkov, whose rating was also high after dubious wins)
Dillian Whyte - 91 points
Gary Cornish - 84 points
Denis Bakhtov - 62 points
Kevin Johnson - 61 points
Matt Skelton - 54 points
Michael Sprott - 48 points
Raphael Zumbano Love - 45 points
TOTAL = 705

I think it's pretty clear at this stage that Wilder has the better record of the two - not because of his greater number of fights - but because his best wins are better than Joshua's. Whyte may or may not turn out to be a real heavyweight contender, so that win may be worth more in the future. Same applies for Charles Martin, but as for now, that win seems to be overrated. I think Joshua is the better fighter of the two and would pick him in a fight between them, but for now, Wilder should be ranked higher.

I do think the way how to matters, for me, the way Martin lost and Stiverne lost showed me Joshua performed better, same thing for Szpilka Cornish, Harrison Whyte not, but let's get real, if we put Harrison in the ring with Whyte, the same thing would happen. Joshua allmost continually performed better as expected, and the expectations were high!