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asdfjkl wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Out of all those, I only know James Toney actually

oh dear

Yea, sorry, but why on earth would someone look at a fight knowing he can beat the winner easely himself?

To give you a point of reference - have you seen Shaq vs De La Hoya or Mosley? This is a 7'1", 335lb former athlete who is in good shape and has undergone boxing training against a couple of former world champion light middleweights and he lost both fights. Throw an average heavyweight sized guy in the ring instead of Shaq and they get knocked out.

jezzamundo wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:
oh dear

Yea, sorry, but why on earth would someone look at a fight knowing he can beat the winner easely himself?

To give you a point of reference - have you seen Shaq vs De La Hoya or Mosley? This is a 7'1", 335lb former athlete who is in good shape and has undergone boxing training against a couple of former world champion light middleweights and he lost both fights. Throw an average heavyweight sized guy in the ring instead of Shaq and they get knocked out.

Exactly. I'm 6'4 and 16 stone. Former amatuer although I haven't fought since I was 20/21. I'm 32 and in ok shape and I wouldn't fancy tackling today's version of any of the two mentioned. I'd rather take on big Shaq lol. I think the guy is a fantasist to be honest. By his logic he could beat Sergey Kovalev in a street fight because he is bigger than him. Give me strength

Stuarty30 wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Yea, sorry, but why on earth would someone look at a fight knowing he can beat the winner easely himself?

To give you a point of reference - have you seen Shaq vs De La Hoya or Mosley? This is a 7'1", 335lb former athlete who is in good shape and has undergone boxing training against a couple of former world champion light middleweights and he lost both fights. Throw an average heavyweight sized guy in the ring instead of Shaq and they get knocked out.

Exactly. I'm 6'4 and 16 stone. Former amatuer although I haven't fought since I was 20/21. I'm 32 and in ok shape and I wouldn't fancy tackling today's version of any of the two mentioned. I'd rather take on big Shaq lol. I think the guy is a fantasist to be honest. By his logic he could beat Sergey Kovalev in a street fight because he is bigger than him. Give me strength

Well, sorry, but I can't take that fight serious, I haven't seen it before, but I think Olivier Richters for example would have won easely if he tried.

jezzamundo wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:
oh dear

Yea, sorry, but why on earth would someone look at a fight knowing he can beat the winner easely himself?

To give you a point of reference - have you seen Shaq vs De La Hoya or Mosley? This is a 7'1", 335lb former athlete who is in good shape and has undergone boxing training against a couple of former world champion light middleweights and he lost both fights. Throw an average heavyweight sized guy in the ring instead of Shaq and they get knocked out.

Again, I'm not taking sides but Shaq is an athletic BIG man, which is night and day different from an athletic heavyweight. There's a reason there's been one 7+ heavyweight champion. Bodies that big are not built for fighting.

Also, Mosley and Oscar were both probably 160+ for the "fights" with Shaq (and Mosley only beat Shaq by a point if I recall...), which is also night and day different from a 5'3 112 pound flyweight.

I'm not saying the rando posting in this thread could beat a flyweight champion, but I am saying there are weight classes for a reason and a street fight is totally different than a sporting contest.

punchoutsb wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Yea, sorry, but why on earth would someone look at a fight knowing he can beat the winner easely himself?

To give you a point of reference - have you seen Shaq vs De La Hoya or Mosley? This is a 7'1", 335lb former athlete who is in good shape and has undergone boxing training against a couple of former world champion light middleweights and he lost both fights. Throw an average heavyweight sized guy in the ring instead of Shaq and they get knocked out.

Again, I'm not taking sides but Shaq is an athletic BIG man, which is night and day different from an athletic heavyweight. There's a reason there's been one 7+ heavyweight champion. Bodies that big are not built for fighting.

Also, Mosley and Oscar were both probably 160+ for the "fights" with Shaq (and Mosley only beat Shaq by a point if I recall...), which is also night and day different from a 5'3 112 pound flyweight.

I'm not saying the rando posting in this thread could beat a flyweight champion, but I am saying there are weight classes for a reason and a street fight is totally different than a sporting contest.

Nothing I disagree with here. In fact I would expect an unathletic heavyweight to knock both Oscar and Shane out, the point I was making is that a big guy who isn't a trained boxer will lose in a boxing contest against a smaller, champion boxer. Shaq's huge size advantage clearly made a difference as both fights were competitive.

jezzamundo wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:
To give you a point of reference - have you seen Shaq vs De La Hoya or Mosley? This is a 7'1", 335lb former athlete who is in good shape and has undergone boxing training against a couple of former world champion light middleweights and he lost both fights. Throw an average heavyweight sized guy in the ring instead of Shaq and they get knocked out.

Again, I'm not taking sides but Shaq is an athletic BIG man, which is night and day different from an athletic heavyweight. There's a reason there's been one 7+ heavyweight champion. Bodies that big are not built for fighting.

Also, Mosley and Oscar were both probably 160+ for the "fights" with Shaq (and Mosley only beat Shaq by a point if I recall...), which is also night and day different from a 5'3 112 pound flyweight.

I'm not saying the rando posting in this thread could beat a flyweight champion, but I am saying there are weight classes for a reason and a street fight is totally different than a sporting contest.

Nothing I disagree with here. In fact I would expect an unathletic heavyweight to knock both Oscar and Shane out, the point I was making is that a big guy who isn't a trained boxer will lose in a boxing contest against a smaller, champion boxer. Shaq's huge size advantage clearly made a difference as both fights were competitive.

TBH I think even Shaq could do it if it actually mattered. In this fight he doesn't look like taking it that serious. It seems more like another variation of a match like the one between between big show and Mayweather.