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Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 13:49
by asdfjkl
I'm strongly disappointed actually, this was not what I expected Anthony Joshua to do, Breazeale won both of his last two matches with a lot of luck, he's basically another Charles Martin, except for the thing that he isn't a southpaw.

I bet Joshua's win will be more impressive as Deontay Wilder his first defence, and I know Breazeale is ranked a lot higher, but I still can't take this fight serious.


On a second look, if he fights every two months he will sooner or later find a good opponend

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 15:04
by Lenny Cravats
How much US TV coverage has Breazeale had? If it's always about the money, which it always is, it makes sense for AJ to fight another American. He may have a tough time next with Takam/Parker.

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 15:10
by Horse
Lenny Cravats wrote:How much US TV coverage has Breazeale had? If it's always about the money, which it always is, it makes sense for AJ to fight another American. He may have a tough time next with Takam/Parker.
If he's going to have it tough soon, then he really should be taking at least a half step up to try to get a bit more experience.

The winner of Takam vs Parker will be a lot better than anyone that he has fought so far in his career.

Taking it easy now seems more dangerous than fighting a solid opponent.

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 15:14
by pound per pound
To be clear, Breazeale is a large man, about 15 pounds over weight. He can punch some, but he's lacking speed, and skills in general. Chin has already been exposed as average. He won't last very long.

Because Joshua is so young, and this fight is happening quickly I think he should get one pass. If Joshua goes Wilder on us and keeps picking top 30-50 guys, I have an issue. I do not think that will be the case.

I highly suspect Joshua is hoping for a showdown with Fury, provided they both win their next fights. That would be the biggest domestic heavyweight fight tin the UK since Lewis vs. Bruno.

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 15:21
by Horse
pound per pound wrote:Because Joshua is so young, and this fight is happening quickly I think he should get one pass. If Joshua goes Wilder on us and keeps picking top 30-50 guys, I have an issue. I do not think that will be the case.
Wilder's opposition in every one of his WBC title fights were better than Breazeale and Martin.
pound per pound wrote:I highly suspect Joshua is hoping for a showdown with Fury, provided they both win their next fights. That would be the biggest domestic heavyweight fight tin the UK since Lewis vs. Bruno.
If you really want to fight the best then do you really fight guys like Breazeale in the lead up?

Seems like a strange move.

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 15:23
by Chepppaaa
okay defence

quick ko it will be. but wilder or ortiz within this year is a must

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 15:25
by Tony1244
As long as AJ keeps fighting numerous times a year, I don't see what the problem is here. Anytime you're young and you fight an undefeated guy and keep active, it's alright by me. I'm also giving AJ leniency because no I really don't consider this a title fight. Fury-Wlad 2, that's a title fight.

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 15:53
by Freedom2013
Dominic Breazeale is okay as an opponent for Anthony Joshua at this time.

Let's not forget, Joshua just fought on April 9. Nice to see champions remaining active! :TU:

I see Tyson Fury is embarrassing himself again with childish jealous rantings about Joshua.

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 16:10
by Horse
Freedom2013 wrote:Dominic Breazeale is okay as an opponent for Anthony Joshua at this time.

Let's not forget, Joshua just fought on April 9. Nice to see champions remaining active! :TU:

I see Tyson Fury is embarrassing himself again with childish jealous rantings about Joshua.
Fury is the undisputed champion of the world.

He's not jealous of Joshua.

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 16:16
by Rexob
Freedom2013 wrote:Dominic Breazeale is okay as an opponent for Anthony Joshua at this time.

Let's not forget, Joshua just fought on April 9. Nice to see champions remaining active! :TU:

I see Tyson Fury is embarrassing himself again with childish jealous rantings about Joshua.


Fury is building the biggest fight in British (world) history. :salut:

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 16:20
by Freedom2013
Horse wrote:Fury is the undisputed champion of the world.

He's not jealous of Joshua.
He may be linear, but he's not undisputed.

So Fury won a dull decision over a faded 40 year old former undisputed champ. Berbick beat a faded Ali, didn't prove much.

Joshua is fighting prime opponents and taking them out in style. He doesn't need insults and childish head game, he doesn't whine about the padding on the canvas and other things. When the time comes, Joshua will easily KO the big-mouthed jackass.

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 16:21
by Horse
Freedom2013 wrote:He may be linear, but he's not undisputed.

So Fury won a dull decision over a faded 40 year old former undisputed champ. Berbick beat a faded Ali, didn't prove much.

Joshua is fighting prime opponents and taking them out in style. He doesn't need insults and childish head game, he doesn't whine about the padding on the canvas and other things. When the time comes, Joshua will easily KO the big-mouthed jackass.
Is this guy for real?

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 16:38
by Ricky_
Freedom2013 wrote:
Horse wrote:Fury is the undisputed champion of the world.

He's not jealous of Joshua.
He may be linear, but he's not undisputed.

So Fury won a dull decision over a faded 40 year old former undisputed champ. Berbick beat a faded Ali, didn't prove much.

Joshua is fighting prime opponents and taking them out in style. He doesn't need insults and childish head game, he doesn't whine about the padding on the canvas and other things. When the time comes, Joshua will easily KO the big-mouthed jackass.

Ofcourse he is undisputed. Wlad was about as undisputed as you can get and Fury went to Germany and took his belts. I agree with alot of your posts but to suggest Wilder or AJ are the recognised champions for simply putting together a highlight reel of tomata can KOs is crazy.

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 16:40
by BitPlayer
Freedom2013 wrote:He may be linear, but he's not undisputed.

So Fury won a dull decision over a faded 40 year old former undisputed champ. Berbick beat a faded Ali, didn't prove much.

Joshua is fighting prime opponents and taking them out in style. He doesn't need insults and childish head game, he doesn't whine about the padding on the canvas and other things. When the time comes, Joshua will easily KO the big-mouthed jackass.
He didn't complain because he's always been in control, I doubt he'd be too happy if Fury made it say an extra large ring for them to fight in.

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 17:00
by bigman1968
Horse wrote:
pound per pound wrote:Because Joshua is so young, and this fight is happening quickly I think he should get one pass. If Joshua goes Wilder on us and keeps picking top 30-50 guys, I have an issue. I do not think that will be the case.
Wilder's opposition in every one of his WBC title fights were better than Breazeale and Martin.
pound per pound wrote:I highly suspect Joshua is hoping for a showdown with Fury, provided they both win their next fights. That would be the biggest domestic heavyweight fight tin the UK since Lewis vs. Bruno.
If you really want to fight the best then do you really fight guys like Breazeale in the lead up?

Seems like a strange move.
Nothing strange, basic boxing business strategy. It's some good money(millions) to be made by defending belt against non-risky opponents...and enough time(~year=2/3 voluntary fights) before AJ will be forced to face risky mandatory or unification.

Amazing how teflon the kid is! Wilder was eaten alive at this forum for picking Molina for first voluntary after hard 12 rounds against Stiverne. And AJ got the belt by some weird fishy combination, fighting +/- Molina in his first voluntary after no-fight against Martin(who???) - and he is justified by most of the guys here!

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 17:15
by lckov
Just so I know, who WOULD people have selected for his first defence, had they been match room, and knowing he needed to fight a top 15 IBF ranked boxer? Genuine question, as I still haven't seen an actual suggestion for his first defence.

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 17:36
by bigman1968
lckov wrote:Just so I know, who WOULD people have selected for his first defence, had they been match room, and knowing he needed to fight a top 15 IBF ranked boxer? Genuine question, as I still haven't seen an actual suggestion for his first defence.
He actually could wait for a week, so IBF would fill 2 empty fields and update 3 non-eligible fields...by ranking in some decent boxers.
Wishfull thinking... :maybe:

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 17:40
by Boxing Prospect
Apparently Breazale was taken out of the rankings then readded, so hardly matters if someone is ranked or not ;)

Duahapas or Ruiz would have been prefered, given the possible options

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 17:50
by bigman1968
Are Breazele Haymon's protegee? If yes, it's explains a lot :doh:

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 18:14
by bigman1968
Horse wrote:
Lenny Cravats wrote:How much US TV coverage has Breazeale had? If it's always about the money, which it always is, it makes sense for AJ to fight another American. He may have a tough time next with Takam/Parker.
If he's going to have it tough soon, then he really should be taking at least a half step up to try to get a bit more experience.

The winner of Takam vs Parker will be a lot better than anyone that he has fought so far in his career.

Taking it easy now seems more dangerous than fighting a solid opponent.
The mandatory will not be a winner of Takam-Parker. :stop: The winner should fight the winner of Pulev-Chisora.

So the mandatory fight will be a year or more from now.

AJ will have 3-4 easy purses till when...if the mandatory will actually happen :doh:

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 18:26
by Horse
bigman1968 wrote:The mandatory will not be a winner of Takam-Parker. :stop: The winner should fight the winner of Pulev-Chisora.

So the mandatory fight will be a year or more from now.

AJ will have 3-4 easy purses till when...if the mandatory will actually happen :doh:
The mandatory might fight the Fury vs Wlad II winner instead.

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 18:37
by Nightmare Roy
Horse wrote:
BitPlayer wrote:That it'll still make money and impress his fans?
That Joshua is an accident waiting to happen when he actually starts fighting genuine top 20 level heavyweights?
They know he'll make the same dough fighting this guy as he would Otis.

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 19:58
by Badhusker
Breazeale is not that good, and a really poor choice for an opponent for Joshua. Total mismatch.

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 20:27
by HyacinthusTurnipseed
From what I've seen of Breazeale he is pretty similar to Martin style-wise - pawing jab, little regard for strategy or angles, herky-jerky mid-range fighter. DB seems to have slightly faster hands and faster feet but an even worse defence and even less power. I don't see this one going into the third round.

But he did outlast Mansour so at least he has heart. Maybe he'll surprise me and put up a better fight than expected? And as others have said, I'm fine with this fight happening fairly soon - better to be in fights regularly than waiting on the shelf for 6 months or more.

If a guy doesn't move his head Joshua will knock it off so I wouldn't rather Andy Ruiz had got the fight. Duhapas would at least show him a different look, throw a proper jab or two, be durable. Not the most exciting match-up though to be honest. Eric Molina would be a backwards step. Stiverne isn't a good fight risk / reward wise but he at least would have a chance at the upset (atrocious against movers, he does okay covering up from a barrage of punches and firing back hard (Arreola rematch)).

If a Jarrell Miller fight was made I might've chucked a tenner on the upset KO. Joshua would probably win but Miller is more athletic, better defensively, better power-punching, smarter and more confident (maybe Whyte excepted) than any AJ opponent to date. It'd be worth a punt to me if it was 14/1 or whatever.

Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 20:54
by SaadOffTheDeck
Boxing Prospect wrote:Apparently Breazale was taken out of the rankings then readded, so hardly matters if someone is ranked or not ;)

Duahapas or Ruiz would have been prefered, given the possible options
Ruiz? The guy who cancels tune up fights because he's too fat? He's an embarrassment to the heavyweight Ruiz fighting name.