He should try being a promoter and promote stuff and things might work out quite well.lefty wrote:He's hardly got any fighters worth caring about now. That where would he display them if he took the money out of the channel to put on better shows?
its his job to make us care about them isn't it?lefty wrote:He's hardly got any fighters worth caring about now. That where would he display them if he took the money out of the channel to put on better shows?Horse wrote:No, he should put more effort into promoting and put on better and more regular shows.lefty wrote:I don't know why Frank bothers promoting anymore. He should just focus his money and time on the channel and securing international rights to the best fights. That's what the channel is best for imo. Obviously whether that's commercially viable or not is a different matter.
He doesn't even make the most of the free media. He doesn't even seem to be trying.lefty wrote:He hasn't got sky's backing though which helps a lot and that's not a dig at the hearns either. If he tried putting on better shows, he'd probably have to take money out of the channel to do so thus decreasing the production value (which isn't saying a whole lot) even more and would also not have the money to buy ads, etc, to get people interested in watching.
Yeah but for me it's a lot tougher when your promotional outlet ie is a niche channel aimed at boxing fans versus sky sports which has incredible resources and for which you can cross promote on various platforms eg sky sports news, sky news, soccer AM, etc, etc.wesshaw1985 wrote:its his job to make us care about them isn't it?lefty wrote:He's hardly got any fighters worth caring about now. That where would he display them if he took the money out of the channel to put on better shows?Horse wrote:No, he should put more effort into promoting and put on better and more regular shows.
He should be putting on a couple thousand seater events in Wales (Williams, Enzo, Romaeo), Liverpool (Selkirk, Lewis, Stalker), Manchester (H.Fury, Catterall, Askin, Blackledge), London (Skeete, Ovill, Patterson, Smith) Birmingham (Langford, Costello) focusing on the local guys and building a fanbase for each.
He has his own tv station so each show can fill a slot alongside his UK tent pole events with T.Fury, BJS, Smith and Flanagan and his international content.
Have Francis run the smaller shows and Frank can do the tent poles.
Everything needs improving from BN...
I agree with a lot of what your saying but what free media are you talking about?Horse wrote:He doesn't even make the most of the free media. He doesn't even seem to be trying.lefty wrote:He hasn't got sky's backing though which helps a lot and that's not a dig at the hearns either. If he tried putting on better shows, he'd probably have to take money out of the channel to do so thus decreasing the production value (which isn't saying a whole lot) even more and would also not have the money to buy ads, etc, to get people interested in watching.
I'm not sure that he still has the ambition at this stage to be a top promoter.
He doesn't even try to get bums with a name for his fighters, he just gets bums.
He's being lazy. I think that he might be depressed.
He doesn't need skys backing, he just has to get back to grass roots promoting.lefty wrote:He hasn't got sky's backing though which helps a lot and that's not a dig at the hearns either. If he tried putting on better shows, he'd probably have to take money out of the channel to do so thus decreasing the production value (which isn't saying a whole lot) even more and would also not have the money to buy ads, etc, to get people interested in watching.
of course its tougher but it just means you have to work harder.lefty wrote:Yeah but for me it's a lot tougher when your promotional outlet ie is a niche channel aimed at boxing fans versus sky sports which has incredible resources and for which you can cross promote on various platforms eg sky sports news, sky news, soccer AM, etc, etc.wesshaw1985 wrote:its his job to make us care about them isn't it?lefty wrote: He's hardly got any fighters worth caring about now. That where would he display them if he took the money out of the channel to put on better shows?
He should be putting on a couple thousand seater events in Wales (Williams, Enzo, Romaeo), Liverpool (Selkirk, Lewis, Stalker), Manchester (H.Fury, Catterall, Askin, Blackledge), London (Skeete, Ovill, Patterson, Smith) Birmingham (Langford, Costello) focusing on the local guys and building a fanbase for each.
He has his own tv station so each show can fill a slot alongside his UK tent pole events with T.Fury, BJS, Smith and Flanagan and his international content.
Have Francis run the smaller shows and Frank can do the tent poles.
Everything needs improving from BN...
The internet in general for starters.lefty wrote:I agree with a lot of what your saying but what free media are you talking about?
I think that's the main thing Horse was alluding to regarding free media.lefty wrote:I do however think that Frank and allegedly don't make the most of twitter and all the other social media platforms. That's an area that Eddie is particulary good at I think to give him his props.
keirw wrote:I'm racking my brains a bit trying to remember the last time a British world title holder had a genuinely dangerous voluntary defence.
The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are Burns vs Beltran and Cleverly vs Kovalev and they were both a couple years ago.
Obviously Fury vs Klitchsko is coming up too, but they seem to be few and far between.
People can shit on Eddie but he is a master of using social media.lefty wrote:I do however think that Frank and allegedly don't make the most of twitter and all the other social media platforms. That's an area that Eddie is particulary good at I think to give him his props.
He wascrusader wrote:I think Barroso was a mandatory
Mcdonnell vs Kameda was only a voluntary because Kameda was forced to drop WBO strap, it was initially meant to be a unification.tigermoth87 wrote:keirw wrote:I'm racking my brains a bit trying to remember the last time a British world title holder had a genuinely dangerous voluntary defence.
The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are Burns vs Beltran and Cleverly vs Kovalev and they were both a couple years ago.
Obviously Fury vs Klitchsko is coming up too, but they seem to be few and far between.
McDonnell vs Kameda was a voluntary wasn't it?
Kameda was a solid opponent, undefeated at 31-0 and considered one of the top fighters in the division. Plus travelled to the states to fight him. Gave him an immediate rematch too. They were good defences.
Also Crolla vs Barroso was a good voluntary against a dangerous fighter too.
Spot on James ! Even when he had full sky backing and was in bed with the WBO, he put on cards stacked with his prospects v nobby Nobbs journeymen! His WBO champions fighting club fighters : Tocker Pudwill, Evans Ashari, Will McIntyre, Willard Lewis.....jameswilson wrote:I think that's the main thing Horse was alluding to regarding free media.lefty wrote:I do however think that Frank and allegedly don't make the most of twitter and all the other social media platforms. That's an area that Eddie is particulary good at I think to give him his props.
Image and hype are big things in Matchrooms favour too. Let's not forget there was a time when Sky were backing Sports network in a big way, and the image of Frank was not of someone letting the media in and appearing to speak frankly with guys like ifl tv about what was going on. It was his newspaper column and people asking what quite clearly appeared to be pre rehearsed questions. And then there's all the legal action against all manner of fighters. I remember Audley getting frozen out of the domestic scene, with no chance of fighting Franks heavyweights unless he signed with them. Amazing how angry Frank gets in some interviews (even tonight's one) now the shoes on the other foot and the money's elsewhere, and it's him begging for it to be a co-promotion.
Hmm good point Burns v Mitchell was a voluntary and whilst Burns smashed him it was seen as 50/50 at the time.keirw wrote:I'm racking my brains a bit trying to remember the last time a British world title holder had a genuinely dangerous voluntary defence.
The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are Burns vs Beltran and Cleverly vs Kovalev and they were both a couple years ago.
Obviously Fury vs Klitchsko is coming up too, but they seem to be few and far between.
That word should be banned from this site. These guys risk their lives and get brain damage. No one should disrespect them in that way.Horse wrote:bums.
keithmoonhangover wrote:That word should be banned from this site. These guys risk their lives and get brain damage. No one should disrespect them in that way.
Not trying to be an arse, but what gives you the right to call someone who is brave enough to step into a boxing ring and risk their life, a 'bum'. Show some respect man.Horse wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:That word should be banned from this site. These guys risk their lives and get brain damage. No one should disrespect them in that way.
A bum is an overmatched/terrible opponent.keithmoonhangover wrote:Not trying to be an arse, but what gives you the right to call someone who is brave enough to step into a boxing ring and risk their life, a 'bum'. Show some respect man.
A bit like the term keyboard warrior for someone who's never had the guts to step into a boxing ring.Horse wrote: it should be used when appropriate.
You are boring. Go away.keithmoonhangover wrote:A bit like the term keyboard warrior for someone who's never had the guts to step into a boxing ring.
Genuine question..... Why don't you go to a boxing gym and have a go?
Answer the question Horse. Why not?Horse wrote:You are boring. Go away.keithmoonhangover wrote:A bit like the term keyboard warrior for someone who's never had the guts to step into a boxing ring.
Genuine question..... Why don't you go to a boxing gym and have a go?