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lazboy wrote:

Kalan wrote:

lazboy wrote:
Kalan I'm replying to this and your previous comment. Your saying Floyd fought no one who attacked and put pressure on him? Am I misreading that?

Regarding the Maidana fight, did you watch that fight? Maidana rushed him for about 5 rounds until he punched himself out. Maidana a big power punching welterweight with an awkward style and punches. Mayweather was never hurt from the attack. He then beat him soundly down the stretch because its pro boxing not amateur. In the second fight, a fight which you did not mention, he stayed on the outside and just outboxed him. The lazy Floyd way.

What do you mean Floyd has been down twice? What when he broke his left hand against Hernandez and it touched the canvas and then he went on to win the fight or when Judah punched him in the balls?

Comparing GGG and Floyd round losses this early in GGG career. GGG has been pro boxing for 10 years and is in his “prime”. Wait till GGG has been boxing for 20 years and see if he loses a round.

Fair question...have you seen the fights or are you just reading the boxrec stats?

Of course I've seen the Floyd-Maidana fights... The 2nd one Floyd had his favorite referee (Bayless) breaking clinches continuously, often when Maidana had an arm free to punch, saying "Stop punching... Break... Step back" so Floyd gets to go outside reset again, and Maidana had to work his way in again, at which point "Stop punching... Break... Step back"... I also saw Bayless give Robert Guerrero full reign to butt, foul, push, infight, shoulder, and otherwise foul the crap out of Keith Thurman... in a fight Bayless was trying to get Guerrero to win so Floyd wouldn't have to fight Thurman.. Thurman beat Guerreto by a 14-point aggregate wider points margin than Floyd did... The thing is Floyd never had to fight Thurman anyway because he cherry-picked Andre Berto -- a guy who lost 4 of his last 8 fights while getting knocked down 7 times... GGG fights the best Middleweight who will face him, Floyd fights only cherry-picks.

I also saw Maidana lose every round to Devon Alexander... saw him lose to Amir Khan... saw him lose to Kotelnik... and saw him avoid Thurman, Brook, and Porter for years ... and just not fight anyone since he got the Floyd fight and the division became a lot tougher than it was when MM was losing to everybody.

Not only have you avoided my questions and logic you have introduced a nonsense conspiracy encompassing Bayless, Mayweather, Thurman and Maidana. Plus you are spouting that Andre Berto rap again, Mayweather had just come from the biggest fight in boxing, he picked an easy fight. Judging his whole career on his last fight my god, if we did that with all boxers we would have no Hall of Famers in your opinion. It did bother me the way you talk about some of these inspirational figures (including Mayweather and others), the worlds top athletes but now I know you think different from me and I will not try to convince you otherwise.

Kalan wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Kalan wrote:How does Floyd get to be a top 3 Welterweight when he loses 5 rounds to a non-boxer like Maidana???.. You gotta be kidding!!!.. Golovkin never lost more than a round to any opponent.. Floyd was down twice -- once officially against Hernandez and once against Judah... Sugar Ray Leonard was down 7 times.. Once against Lalonde.. Once against Howard.. Once against Camacho.. Twice against Norris.. Twice against Hearns.. Yet Leonard came off a 3-year-layoff and beat Hagler in his 1st start at Middleweight --- and it wasn't the 1st time somebody beat Hagler.. When Willie Monroe beat Hagler it was the 3rd time Hagler failed to win a fight.

Golovkin is 17-0 in Middleweight Title fights with 17 KOs.. He's undefeated.. He never lost more than a round to any opponent, and was never knocked down.. Hagler was 13-1-1 in Middleweight Title fights with 12 KO's.. he lost quite a few rounds and was knocked down once.. Hagler also ducked Harol Graham and Mike McCallum.. Golovkin Is the man who Is BEING ducked., in fact this is what Mike McCallum had to say about Hagler refusing to fight him, and flagrantly DUCKING him

Start this video at 2:02/8:03 and see McCallum expose Hagler as a ducker... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKMOqDLVFuk

Most people don't think Mayweather is a Top 3 Welterweight. Much as I adore Golovkin he still needs some marquee wins to put himself up there with the Haglers of the world. The Middleweight division has a rich history.

I never saw Hagler fight any natural Middleweight who was as good as: Mike McCallum... Michael Nunn... James Toney... Reggie Johnson... Gennady Golovkin... Rodrigo Valdez... Carlos Monzon... Mickey Walker... Stanley Ketchel... Billy Papke... or Harry Greb... Start the above link at 2:02

Kalan wrote:How does Floyd get to be a top 3 Welterweight when he loses 5 rounds to a non-boxer like Maidana???.. You gotta be kidding!!!.. Golovkin never lost more than a round to any opponent.. Floyd was down twice -- once officially against Hernandez and once against Judah... Sugar Ray Leonard was down 7 times.. Once against Lalonde.. Once against Howard.. Once against Camacho.. Twice against Norris.. Twice against Hearns.. Yet Leonard came off a 3-year-layoff and beat Hagler in his 1st start at Middleweight --- and it wasn't the 1st time somebody beat Hagler.. When Willie Monroe beat Hagler it was the 3rd time Hagler failed to win a fight.

Golovkin is 17-0 in Middleweight Title fights with 17 KOs.. He's undefeated.. He never lost more than a round to any opponent, and was never knocked down.. Hagler was 13-1-1 in Middleweight Title fights with 12 KO's.. he lost quite a few rounds and was knocked down once.. url]

lazboy wrote:It seems the only fighter Kalan doesn't apply any critique to is GGG - who seems immured from any detrimental evaluations, despite the fact he's faced almost nobody of note. Hagler, SRR, Mayweather, SRL, all of them have piss poor resumes and aren't half the fighter GGG is, despite being either the dominant forces in their divisions and/or beating multiple other title holders on numerous occasions, and future hall of famers.

Being a fan of GGG isn't enough, if you fail to recognise him as the greatest MW of all time, then prepare for the wrath of Kalan.

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Mayweather certainly has the style and ring smarts to defeat GGG

Badhusker wrote:Instead of talking about the fantasy of 40 yr old Mayweather fighting GGG, why not we call for Lara vs GGG so we can get an idea of how he deals with an elusive guy but more his size? I love the style match up. Call Lara's bluff about wanting to fight and at the same time shut team GGG up saying no one will fight them. Of course, if GGG struggles with Brook, no one will care.

rivado wrote:A Golovkin fight is the only one worth 9 figures to see Floyd return.

Butterbean wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Mayweather certainly has the style and ring smarts to defeat GGG

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

Butterbean wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Mayweather certainly has the style and ring smarts to defeat GGG

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greg wrote:..he won't and he shouldn't...

Wales wrote:

greg wrote:..he won't and he shouldn't...

Exactly, why should he come back at 40 to fight a middleweight. He was fighting above his best weight at welter imo. Had the big names been at 140 and not 147 ive no doubt he wouldve stayed there and made light welter .

Floyd is a rarity, much like Calzaghe, hes retired and will stay retired preserving his record and legacy. Look at the damage RJJ has done to his legacy. No matter what anyone says had he retired after the Ruiz fight at 48-1 he'd have a completley different place in the history of boxing.

Wales wrote:

greg wrote:..he won't and he shouldn't...

Exactly, why should he come back at 40 to fight a middleweight. He was fighting above his best weight at welter imo. Had the big names been at 140 and not 147 ive no doubt he wouldve stayed there and made light welter .

Floyd is a rarity, much like Calzaghe, hes retired and will stay retired preserving his record and legacy. Look at the damage RJJ has done to his legacy. No matter what anyone says had he retired after the Ruiz fight at 48-1 he'd have a completley different place in the history of boxing.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Instead of talking about the fantasy of 40 yr old Mayweather fighting GGG, why not we call for Lara vs GGG so we can get an idea of how he deals with an elusive guy but more his size? I love the style match up. Call Lara's bluff about wanting to fight and at the same time shut team GGG up saying no one will fight them. Of course, if GGG struggles with Brook, no one will care.

Why not we call for Lara vs Jacobs which is really easy to make. If Lara is good enough to get into the ring with GGG, he should beat Jacobs and become Golovkin's mandatory.

Tony1244 wrote:I hope you're right but believe you're wrong.

GGG-May would be a great matchup. If May lost it would be no disgrace and they'd both make BiG $$$.

Unfortunately, egos are so big nowadays that 1 loss is seen as confined to an eternity in hell.

Badhusker wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Instead of talking about the fantasy of 40 yr old Mayweather fighting GGG, why not we call for Lara vs GGG so we can get an idea of how he deals with an elusive guy but more his size? I love the style match up. Call Lara's bluff about wanting to fight and at the same time shut team GGG up saying no one will fight them. Of course, if GGG struggles with Brook, no one will care.

Why not we call for Lara vs Jacobs which is really easy to make. If Lara is good enough to get into the ring with GGG, he should beat Jacobs and become Golovkin's mandatory.

I hear that a lot, and it shouldn't matter. Lara needs to establish himself in the division in order to get a fight with GGG. Just like welterweight Brook did, right? If you look back in history, recent or way back, very rarely did a smaller guy that moved up for a big fight had to establish himself in the division or make himself the mandatory in order to get the fight. BS excuse.

lazboy wrote:

Wales wrote:

greg wrote:..he won't and he shouldn't...

Exactly, why should he come back at 40 to fight a middleweight. He was fighting above his best weight at welter imo. Had the big names been at 140 and not 147 ive no doubt he wouldve stayed there and made light welter .

Floyd is a rarity, much like Calzaghe, hes retired and will stay retired preserving his record and legacy. Look at the damage RJJ has done to his legacy. No matter what anyone says had he retired after the Ruiz fight at 48-1 he'd have a completley different place in the history of boxing.

But will it be about his legacy or money? People are already giving him sh__t, unjustly if you ask me, regarding his legacy. Would he say no to 50 - 100 ml just to preserve it? His name is money after all. I think Floyds got a very strong personality, were he is independent to what people think of him. He can operate under intense pressure and seems to thrive being the villain of sorts. Maybe he'll take a payday, I know hes said he wont do anything for less than a 100. Maybe if GGG could get that much he would risk it. Or maybe he preserves his legacy because the his name will be tarnished he will loose money off his name in the long run. I'm sure people in his team and discussing it, Floyds all business.

Wales wrote:

lazboy wrote:

Wales wrote:
Exactly, why should he come back at 40 to fight a middleweight. He was fighting above his best weight at welter imo. Had the big names been at 140 and not 147 ive no doubt he wouldve stayed there and made light welter .

Floyd is a rarity, much like Calzaghe, hes retired and will stay retired preserving his record and legacy. Look at the damage RJJ has done to his legacy. No matter what anyone says had he retired after the Ruiz fight at 48-1 he'd have a completley different place in the history of boxing.

But will it be about his legacy or money? People are already giving him sh__t, unjustly if you ask me, regarding his legacy. Would he say no to 50 - 100 ml just to preserve it? His name is money after all. I think Floyds got a very strong personality, were he is independent to what people think of him. He can operate under intense pressure and seems to thrive being the villain of sorts. Maybe he'll take a payday, I know hes said he wont do anything for less than a 100. Maybe if GGG could get that much he would risk it. Or maybe he preserves his legacy because the his name will be tarnished he will loose money off his name in the long run. I'm sure people in his team and discussing it, Floyds all business.

If he wanted an extra 50m he couldve carried on and fought two "stiffs" (relatively speaking) and made 25m a pop and gone to 51-0. Why jump all way to 160 and risk GGG as appose to fighting two gimmies and making half the doe. Doesnt make sense. Floyd could get 25m easy for a fight in UK and a fight in Russia against guys stepping up from 140.

For me hes retired and will remain retired. If he did come back it wouldnt be for GGG at 160. Christ probably be better off facing Jack at 168.