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caldo2025 wrote:Anyone thinking that this is going to be a good fight is either a Brit or an idiot. .

coming from the dude who loved the Canelo - Khan match? dude thats weird.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:How is he hypocritical? Who wanted to fight him? I think Brook is probably the sternest test of his career. Granted, I didn't mind Canelo/Khan either.

I meant hypocritical because of the way he harshly criticized the Canelo/Khan fight being bad for boxing, then turns around and does the same thing.
Not that Brook will fill into the weight fine, its the fact that he has never fought competitively at 160, and jumping in against the best pfp guy (or close to it) isn't smart. Imo, one of Brook's biggest advantages is using his size, being a big strong welterweight. Take that advantage away against a guy that is superior in basically every category, will show. Didn't Brook get hurt by Senchenko and Jones?

I don't buy the argument that no one will fight GGG. Offer the same money to any top 154lber and I'm sure there are a few better than Brook that would take it. Lara has been mouthing off for 2 years wanting the fight, and wish they would shut him up. How has Brook earned it and Lara not? When he is ready I think Andrade gives GGG his toughest fight to date.

By the way, why wasn't team GGG chasing a fight with Saunders or Smith instead of Eubank? They have the belts, and Saunders beat Eubank.

Badhusker wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:How is he hypocritical? Who wanted to fight him? I think Brook is probably the sternest test of his career. Granted, I didn't mind Canelo/Khan either.

I meant hypocritical because of the way he harshly criticized the Canelo/Khan fight being bad for boxing, then turns around and does the same thing.
Not that Brook will fill into the weight fine, its the fact that he has never fought competitively at 160, and jumping in against the best pfp guy (or close to it) isn't smart. Imo, one of Brook's biggest advantages is using his size, being a big strong welterweight. Take that advantage away against a guy that is superior in basically every category, will show. Didn't Brook get hurt by Senchenko and Jones?

I don't buy the argument that no one will fight GGG. Offer the same money to any top 154lber and I'm sure there are a few better than Brook that would take it. Lara has been mouthing off for 2 years wanting the fight, and wish they would shut him up. How has Brook earned it and Lara not? When he is ready I think Andrade gives GGG his toughest fight to date.

By the way, why wasn't team GGG chasing a fight with Saunders or Smith instead of Eubank? They have the belts, and Saunders beat Eubank.

The only reason GGG and Brook are getting this kind of money is that the fight is in the U.K. on PPV. Who would produce anything close to that if GGG fought Lara, Andrade or Charlos (none of who want a piece of him anyway) ?

Saunders was Golovkin's first choice, and Team GGG did talk to Warren, but Saunders deliberately priced himself out.

Canelo had all choices in the world and time to negotiate, and he picked Khan. Golovkin had no choices and no time.

In answer to the OP, who only reasons he is fighting Brook, is that Canelo wouldn't fight him and Jacobs, BJS and Eubank wouldn't sign for it.

Badhusker wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:How is he hypocritical? Who wanted to fight him? I think Brook is probably the sternest test of his career. Granted, I didn't mind Canelo/Khan either.

I meant hypocritical because of the way he harshly criticized the Canelo/Khan fight being bad for boxing, then turns around and does the same thing.
Not that Brook will fill into the weight fine, its the fact that he has never fought competitively at 160, and jumping in against the best pfp guy (or close to it) isn't smart. Imo, one of Brook's biggest advantages is using his size, being a big strong welterweight. Take that advantage away against a guy that is superior in basically every category, will show. Didn't Brook get hurt by Senchenko and Jones?

I don't buy the argument that no one will fight GGG. Offer the same money to any top 154lber and I'm sure there are a few better than Brook that would take it. Lara has been mouthing off for 2 years wanting the fight, and wish they would shut him up. How has Brook earned it and Lara not? When he is ready I think Andrade gives GGG his toughest fight to date.

By the way, why wasn't team GGG chasing a fight with Saunders or Smith instead of Eubank? They have the belts, and Saunders beat Eubank.

Saunders definitely won't fight him and none of Al's 154 pound guys are fighting him either. I'm one of Lara's few fans on the planet and he would fight him but al isn't going to pursue that. If talking shit meant a guy wanted a fight than canelo would have been fighting ggg and the brook fight is moot.

Counter-puncher wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Anyone thinking that this is going to be a good fight is either a Brit or an idiot. .

coming from the dude who loved the Canelo - Khan match? dude thats weird.

What's weird is that you are comparing Canelo and GGG in this equation somehow like it's the same type matchup and it's not even close. Canelo pretty much paid money to not have to fight GGG and even gave him his belt to avoid a beating. Not even close to the same talent level.

Brook and Khan are around the same level so it doesn't take a brain surgeon to realize that a beating is going to go down on Brook and I actually can't wait for it.

Even Brooks fellow boxers are tweeting out how he shouldn't take that fight. Check Broners' recently tweets.

Brook is gonna do better than people think. I doubt he'll win but I think he's the toughest opponent of Golovkin's career so far.

jujigatame wrote:Brook is gonna do better than people think. I doubt he'll win but I think he's the toughest opponent of Golovkin's career so far.

Not having a pop, but what logical reason do you have for that conclusion.

What skills does Brook possess that make you think he can give him much trouble, I just cannot see it at all? How long to you think Porter would have lasted against GGG?

Speed, balls and strength for me. I don't think he'll win, but the mere fact that he immediately signed for the fight gives me more hope for a competitive bout than I would with Eubank or Saunders. Brook thinks he's the man, self belief goes a long way in the ring. I think he'll win a few early rounds before succumbing late, but I'm quite certain the GGG bandwagon of haters will be screaming EXPOSED at the top of their lungs.

caldo2025 wrote:
Even Brooks fellow boxers are tweeting out how he shouldn't take that fight. Check Broners' recently tweets.

yeah, if I really want a go-to source for a balanced opinion on something, one place I'd consider very quickly is Adrien Broner.

but only if you're engaged, big guy, you always come first for me.

Counter-puncher wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
Even Brooks fellow boxers are tweeting out how he shouldn't take that fight. Check Broners' recently tweets.

yeah, if I really want a go-to source for a balanced opinion on something, one place I'd consider very quickly is Adrien Broner.

but only if you're engaged, big guy, you always come first for me.

The guy that asked for an even split with Manny is not a good business adviser.

I hold in instant suspicion anyone who checks Broner's twitters on even an irregular basis

Counter-puncher wrote:I hold in instant suspicion anyone who checks Broner's twitters on even an irregular basis

I am as likely to check any tweet as I am to go chase around one of these ridiculous pokethings. If I did, my only purpose for Broner would be to clown him.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

jujigatame wrote:Brook is gonna do better than people think. I doubt he'll win but I think he's the toughest opponent of Golovkin's career so far.

Not having a pop, but what logical reason do you have for that conclusion.

What skills does Brook possess that make you think he can give him much trouble, I just cannot see it at all? How long to you think Porter would have lasted against GGG?

He's fast and has good defense and boxing skills. He can hit and run and make life difficult for GGG for at least a while. He has good power at 147 but probably not enough to trouble GGG.

I don't think it's a stretch to call him GGG's toughest opponent because GGG hasn't had a lot of tough opponents at all. His toughest challenges were:

- Lemieux, who is powerful but one-dimensional and not super durable.

- Murray, who is rugged but very straightforward with no power.

- Geale, who is a mover but neither fast nor powerful.

Is it really that much of a stretch to say Brook is more of a challenge than those guys?

jujigatame wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

jujigatame wrote:Brook is gonna do better than people think. I doubt he'll win but I think he's the toughest opponent of Golovkin's career so far.

Not having a pop, but what logical reason do you have for that conclusion.

What skills does Brook possess that make you think he can give him much trouble, I just cannot see it at all? How long to you think Porter would have lasted against GGG?

He has good power at 147 but probably not enough to trouble GGG.

Agreed he won't hurt him, but physical strength and punching power are two different categories. Brook is very strong. You're spot on here. Would Brook beat Lemieux? I don't know, but David had nothing for GGG. Brook poses a few different skills that he hasn't seen.

I figured the guys here would need a while to invent some spin as to why it's very manly of Gigi to fight a welter, but it's chicken bleep for Canelo to tussle with one.

the last thing I heard was that Gigi would fearlessly tangle with 168 pounders but now has set his sight on a bloke very lucky to get by the smallish Shawn Porter.

Canelo, on the other hand, has never boasted about opposing super middleweights, and has never been more in weight than a super welter.

Just because he won the middleweight title (against the very undersized Cotto) doesn't means he's a true MW, so there's absolutely nothing wrong with him going against Khan or a Smith.

Understand this, amigos----Canelo ain't a middleweight. Gigi is. So when the Khazaki takes on little welter weenies, he looks like the goof that he is.

When Canelo rises to 160 full-time, then he can be criticized. But right now he's tangling with fighters his size.

Gigi isn't. That shows real huevos on the part of Mr. 150,000.

You need to look much harder into what canelos actual, 175lb in the ring, size is.

Canelo and GGG have basically the exact same natural weight. Canelo might even be slightly bigger.

I have generally praised Canelo in the past (particularly for taking the Trout and Lara fights which many people thought he would avoid) but all his talk about how he's "not a MW" was ridiculous and really soured my opinion of him.

Canelo did boast that he would face GGG but then hid under DLH skirt.

What SMW champion was available to sign within a week? With Ramirez out of the picture with a broken hand and Chudinov robbed by a drug using Sturm, there are only Haymon's DeGale and Jack left, and signing with them would take forever.

By the way, is DeGale still with Hearn or with Haymon controlling things, they actually parted?

GGG is a poster boy. He's very good, but I don't think he warrants the hype that surrounds him. I think Canelo gives GGG a close fight, I think Brook does better than most against GGG until he's overcome by the physicality of being in the ring against a equally as talented of a guy with a size advantage. Yes I said it, skill wise I don't think GGG is that much better than Brook, but his size and experience at 160 will be the game changer. Honestly I think GGG beating g Brook will be his career defining fight up to this point in his career, just shows the type of guys GGG has been fighting. Not that I think Brook as been fighting killers either, but he does have a big win against a top guy in a much more talented and competitive weight division.

NateJR wrote:GGG is a poster boy. He's very good, but I don't think he warrants the hype that surrounds him. I think Canelo gives GGG a close fight, I think Brook does better than most against GGG until he's overcome by the physicality of being in the ring against a equally as talented of a guy with a size advantage. Yes I said it, skill wise I don't think GGG is that much better than Brook, but his size and experience at 160 will be the game changer. Honestly I think GGG beating g Brook will be his career defining fight up to this point in his career, just shows the type of guys GGG has been fighting. Not that I think Brook as been fighting killers either, but he does have a big win against a top guy in a much more talented and competitive weight division.

Skill wise GGG looks to have the lot - what he lacks is a decent dance partner to showcase his talents. The problem is likely to be that Brook won't be able to handle the weight of shot coming back, or the fact his own have little or no effect on GGG, who barely blinks when proper middleweights hit him flush.

Also, on the Canelo/Khan weight comparison, there was probably a 15-20 pound differential in the ring for that fight. Golovkin will likely only have 5-10 pounds on Brook.

jujigatame wrote:Also, on the Canelo/Khan weight comparison, there was probably a 15-20 pound differential in the ring for that fight. Golovkin will likely only have 5-10 pounds on Brook.

I bet it's 5 or less.

I read recently Brook currently is about 176 lbs? Bigger than I thought.

The weight will be a non issue. Punching power and GGG's superior skill will be. He will KO Brook mid to late.

Badhusker wrote:I read recently Brook currently is about 176 lbs? Bigger than I thought.

The weight will be a non issue. Punching power and GGG's superior skill will be. He will KO Brook mid to late.

Hearn just said that Brook is not thinking about how to gain weight now but about how to lose it. He already lost 7 pounds and is at 178 which is heavier than Golovkin.