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Kalan wrote:

Controversial wrote:

Kalan wrote:Show me proof that big money was on Liston losing in the first... Who was indicted and convicted??? You pulled that out of your ass.

Show me proof money wasn't won.

In a court of law you don't have to prove you didn't do a crime.. You can't prove a negative.. The prosecution has to prove you DID, otherwise they're 4-flushers

this isn't a court, it's my opinion based on what happened in the fight and who was associated to Liston. Prove Chamberlain was a great boxer.

Kalan wrote:

Controversial wrote:

Kalan wrote:
So you admit Ali should have been diqualified???? ... His actions were certainly flagrant enough.

If the ref decided he should be then the refs decision stands. Trouble is the whole event was a shambles, Walcott didn't know what was going on or what he was doing.

Ali could have helped Walcott out by going to a neutral corner and obeying his orders... Liston wasn't responsible for either man's fukups.

I never said Liston was responsible. Once again who was in charge of the fight and who cocked it up?

This is another reason you wouldn't try to fix a fight like this for betting purposes... You wouldn't want a wild-card referee possibly fouling thins up.

Controversial wrote:

Kalan wrote:

Controversial wrote:
Show me proof money wasn't won.

In a court of law you don't have to prove you didn't do a crime.. You can't prove a negative.. The prosecution has to prove you DID, otherwise they're 4-flushers

this isn't a court, it's my opinion based on what happened in the fight and who was associated to Liston. Prove Chamberlain was a great boxer.

To prove you're great at anything you need an opportunity... Chamberlain was denied his opportunity by Ali refusing to sign the contract.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

Kalan wrote:

Controversial wrote:

Kalan wrote:
In a court of law you don't have to prove you didn't do a crime.. You can't prove a negative.. The prosecution has to prove you DID, otherwise they're 4-flushers

this isn't a court, it's my opinion based on what happened in the fight and who was associated to Liston. Prove Chamberlain was a great boxer.

To prove you're great at anything you need an opportunity... Chamberlain was denied his opportunity by Ali refusing to sign the contract.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

The only thing he was denied was not getting slapped around and toyed with by Muhammad Ali.

Ali even found it hard to slap around little Leon Spinks... In fact Ali go slapped around and beaten by the neophyte... Ali wouldn't be slapped around -- he would be CRUSHED by one lightning, smoking, right from a 101 inch reach -- that would thunder out and smash Ali for a count of 1000.

Kalan wrote:Ali even found it hard to slap around little Leon Spinks... In fact Ali go slapped around and beaten by the neophyte... Ali wouldn't be slapped around -- he would be CRUSHED by one lightning, smoking, right from a 101 inch reach -- that would thunder out and smash Ali for a count of 1000.

Leon Spinks would've whipped Chamberlain's ass. Ali was past his prime when Spinks beat him.

Leon Spinks wouldn't beat any decent Heavyweight... Look at his abysmal record after he met Ali... Wilt could blow on him and KO Leon he was so chinny.

Kalan wrote:Leon Spinks wouldn't beat any decent Heavyweight... Look at his abysmal record after he met Ali... Wilt could blow on him and KO Leon he was so chinny.

Wilt wasn't a decent Heavyweight

Cus D'Amato doesn't take on Heavyweights who weren't decent... In fact extremely talented... Cus only wanted guys with World Championship potential.

Kalan wrote:Cus D'Amato doesn't take on Heavyweights who weren't decent... In fact extremely talented... Cus only wanted guys with World Championship potential.

And Cus D'Amato never actually trained Wilt Chamberlain did he?

It never happened because it would've been a waste of time for everyone...just like we've all been wasting our time indulging you and your man crush for the last few months.

I don't have any man crushes, being an exclusively heterosexual male... I think you swing the other way Gilgamesh... Cus D"Amato actually DID train Chamberlain.. Cus knew that MANY Basketball players have exceptional height, weight, reach, combined with good vision, fast hands, fast feet, and great intuition and anticipation... Many are exceptionally quick thinkers, which you need to run the court, scope the defenders on the break, and find the open man.. You also need great endurance because you're often headed back and forth on 5 or 6 fast breaks in a row... It wears guys down and many just cannot even make college teams, much less the NBA.

What D'Amato found is the same thing he saw with Patterson and Tyson the first time he saw them... He predicted they would be Heavyweight Champions... He predicted the same thing with Chamberlain if he could get 6 months to train and Muhammad Ali into a ring... After all, Patterson became Heavyweight Champion at 21 and Tyson at 20 -- the 2 youngest Heavyweight Champions of all time.

Kalan wrote:I don't have any man crushes, being an exclusively heterosexual male... I think you swing the other way Gilgamesh....

Please stop with the "No, YOU are!" responses. Be more inventive.

gp. wrote:

Kalan wrote:I don't have any man crushes, being an exclusively heterosexual male... I think you swing the other way Gilgamesh....

Please stop with the "No, YOU are!" responses. Be more inventive.

You do all the inventing around here... I present facts... You invent facts

Kalan wrote:Cus D'Amato doesn't take on Heavyweights who weren't decent... In fact extremely talented... Cus only wanted guys with World Championship potential.

That's an opinion I'll challenge. I think he probably got a glimpse of a certain tall fella's wallet. And he was not such a purist that he would ignore an excellent potential pay day. He was a professional.

Att: Kalan
Did you know it's better to be happy than right?

I'm both -- which is a good feeling.

BoxBuzz wrote:

Kalan wrote:Cus D'Amato doesn't take on Heavyweights who weren't decent... In fact extremely talented... Cus only wanted guys with World Championship potential.

That's an opinion I'll challenge. I think he probably got a glimpse of a certain tall fella's wallet. And he was not such a purist that he would ignore an excellent potential pay day. He was a professional.

The way D'Amato talked about Chamberlain... He's athletic ability, intelligence, speed, and punching power, in such a huge body with shoulders, arms and legs longer and bigger than anyone his height... D'Amato discovered Patterson and Tyson and they were World Heavyweight Champions by ages 21 and 20... When D'Amato predicted they would be champions... D'Amato wasn't somebody to piss up a rope -- he knew Boxing and potential inside and out.. But his fear is that Ali wouldn't actually sign a contract to fight Chamberlain -- and that's exactly what happened.

Thought this thread was about Ali and cooper and Liston not some basketball we player who never had a fight. These posts about this stupid hypothetical fight are clogging up the boards.

Kalan wrote:I'm both -- which is a good feeling.

Bit of both gender? Anyway, most posters in this forum would appreciate if you didn't flood every topic with your knowledge/expertise

I don't like snide remarks... Do you have a bit of both genders??? ... My boxing knowledge and expertise is appreciated by many... It may not be by you... It may not be by people who believe in mythology.. But I'll tell you what.. I'll just post who I believe will win the next fights as you put them up for the time being and leave you to your fallacious beliefs.. Because censorship is not something I enjoy.

Kalan wrote:I don't like snide remarks... Do you have a bit of both genders??? ... My boxing knowledge and expertise is appreciated by many... It may not be by you... It may not be by people who believe in mythology.. But I'll tell you what.. I'll just post who I believe will win the next fights as you put them up for the time being and leave you to your fallacious beliefs.. Because censorship is not something I enjoy.

At 69 I'm yet figure if I'm "she boy" or not. This forum is about "Boxing History" so where does I'll just post who I believe will win the next fights"?
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