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Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:First of all, that was just one member. Second of all, he likely didn't read all your posting diarrhea, specifically the part of Golovkin fighting MW novices which remains a lie.

Here’s what I actually stated, in terms of “middleweight novices”:

Enlightened-One wrote:Put it this way, by the 10th September, six of GGG’s world title victims would have been relative novices at 160lbs...

Here's the justification for this statement:
• Milton Nunez = Had only “officially” competed in two 160lb fights prior to facing Golovkin, with 16 of his opponents having never even won a single fight.
• Nilson Julio Tapia = Had spent the vast majority of his career as a light middleweight having sporadically competed in only a handful “technically” middleweight bouts against opponents that could not possibly be considered as legitimate 160lb-ers.
• Kassim Ouma = A former welterweight that had only competed in two middleweight bouts.
• Lajuan Simon = A former super-middleweight that had lost three of the five middleweight bouts he’d competed in, from (at that point) a 35 fight career. Had only managed to defeat one genuine 160lb-er prior to facing Golovkin.
• Dominic Wade = Spent his entire career campaigning as a 168lb-er, with the Golovkin bout being his debut at 160lbs.
• Kell Brook = A pro for 12 years, gained the IBF 147lb crown against the only universally recognised top-ten world class opponent he’s ever faced (Shawn Porter). Has competed in a few 154lb fights against journeymen, but is now making his middleweight debut against a man that he admits to being scared of and who also happens to consistently rehydrate to 171lbs+ for the last fourteen years.

boxing_rocks wrote:That's exactly what liars do -- meddle with facts.

boxing_rocks wrote:Golovkin hasn't fought Brook yet

boxing_rocks wrote: Wade was a MIDDLEWEIGHT MANDATORY. The fact that he fought 1-2 pounds above 160 which is a usual practice doesn't make him a SMW.

boxing_rocks wrote:NINE OUT OF NINE Golovkin's last opponents were full blown middleweights having spent years at MW, but you prefer to list his opponents from ancient history.

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:First of all, that was just one member. Second of all, he likely didn't read all your posting diarrhea, specifically the part of Golovkin fighting MW novices which remains a lie.

Here’s what I actually stated, in terms of “middleweight novices”:

Enlightened-One wrote:Put it this way, by the 10th September, six of GGG’s world title victims would have been relative novices at 160lbs...

Here's the justification for this statement:
• Milton Nunez = Had only “officially” competed in two 160lb fights prior to facing Golovkin, with 16 of his opponents having never even won a single fight.
• Nilson Julio Tapia = Had spent the vast majority of his career as a light middleweight having sporadically competed in only a handful “technically” middleweight bouts against opponents that could not possibly be considered as legitimate 160lb-ers.
• Kassim Ouma = A former welterweight that had only competed in two middleweight bouts.
• Lajuan Simon = A former super-middleweight that had lost three of the five middleweight bouts he’d competed in, from (at that point) a 35 fight career. Had only managed to defeat one genuine 160lb-er prior to facing Golovkin.
• Dominic Wade = Spent his entire career campaigning as a 168lb-er, with the Golovkin bout being his debut at 160lbs.
• Kell Brook = A pro for 12 years, gained the IBF 147lb crown against the only universally recognised top-ten world class opponent he’s ever faced (Shawn Porter). Has competed in a few 154lb fights against journeymen, but is now making his middleweight debut against a man that he admits to being scared of and who also happens to consistently rehydrate to 171lbs+ for the last fourteen years.

jezzamundo wrote:Wade appears to be a naturally bigger man than GGG

jezzamundo wrote:Lemieux struggles to make middleweight, so while shorter, is naturally bigger than GGG

jezzamundo wrote:Murray is a huge middleweight

jezzamundo wrote:While he started at lower weights, Rubio was clearly bigger than GGG

jezzamundo wrote:I think GGG could have easily made 154lb at one point

sykessta wrote:Well, he's pretty much cleared out the division which is very weak in this era. The only thing is he just seems small to be jumping to 168.

boxing_rocks wrote:Once again, a legend about fighting smaller guys doesn't check out, as none of Golovkin's last 9 opponents were smaller than him.

boxing_rocks wrote:Once again, a legend about fighting smaller guys doesn't check out, as none of Golovkin's last 9 opponents were smaller than him.

jezzamundo wrote:Murray is a huge middleweight

Enlightened-One wrote:I think you've conceded my point haven’t you? You cannot undermine statistical or photographic evidence, can you?

boxing_rocks wrote:That's exactly what liars do -- meddle with facts.

boxing_rocks wrote:Do you think people are idiots in this forum? Photographs are misleading.

australiahere wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:That's exactly what liars do -- meddle with facts.

boxing_rocks wrote:Do you think people are idiots in this forum? Photographs are misleading.

boxing_rocks wrote:Yes, that's exactly what you are trying to do - meddle with facts by posting misleading photos. You forgot this one "proving" that Golovkin is bigger than Tyson:

boxing_rocks wrote:You know that boxer's height has nothing to do with who is bigger. Otherwise, Khan is much bigger than Canelo. You also know that people's positions in pictures can drastically change an impression on who is bigger. Golovkin is in fact bigger than Brook, but he doesn't seem bigger at all in this picture

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:You know that boxer's height has nothing to do with who is bigger. Otherwise, Khan is much bigger than Canelo. You also know that people's positions in pictures can drastically change an impression on who is bigger. Golovkin is in fact bigger than Brook, but he doesn't seem bigger at all in this picture

So you ignore my video, because you're trying to prove a point? Do you need me to provide videos of all the face-off's instead? Do you think I'm capable of misrepresenting those?

If you refute interview transcripts, videos of interviews (both from the proverbial horse's mouth), Boxrec stats, photos and videos of face-off's... what on earth is going to convince you that you're wrong?

Do you deem everything as "misleading" and "blatant lies" if it doesn't fit your narrative?

boxing_rocks wrote:However, when you are trying to "prove" that Golovkin's last 9 opponents were smaller than him, you are meddling with facts, i.e. lying.

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:However, when you are trying to "prove" that Golovkin's last 9 opponents were smaller than him, you are meddling with facts, i.e. lying.

You really do need to quote my precise words when I made that claim? Please... I dare you!

This is what you always resort to... you refuse to address my original claims because they're impossible to undermine, so instead you attack a fictitious argument that I have never proposed, simply because it's easier to refute.

You constantly play the straw man card, whilst persistently labelling me as a “blatant liar” and also claiming that I misrepresent facts, photos videos, interviews etc.