Loeffler wants Froch for Golovkin after Brook

[lefty]

First, GGG has only had two bouts above MW and has never weighed above 161 (both of those were against weak opponents early in his career), so I find it a bit odd to say that he's ducking someone in a division he's never campaigned in. It would be a much different story if GGG won a lineal title at 168, stuck around to defend the title, but then dropped it upon being ordered to fight Ward.

Second, I don't believe your logic is on point, because wanting balanced conditions doesn't equate to ducking. As I said, GGG may well believe that he can beat Ward, but Ward is obviously a great fighter on another level to Froch/Ramirez, and considering the type of disadvantages GGG would be facing if he moved all the way up to 168 I think it's a fair compromise to meet in the middle. How is calling for that any more of a duck move than Ward being unwilling to budge and requiring that the bout is fought at a weight that benefits him but not GGG?

By the way, 178 in the amateurs goes down to anything above 165, so the weight Ward has mainly fought at as a pro would be included in that.

He's not fought above 161 in the pro's although he has as an amateur. I'm saying the 164 catchweight stipulation is a duck in relation to him being willing to fight Froch and Ramirez at 168 when the latter in particular is enormous for the weight. The only reason his team (not saying it's him necessarily) were putting that stipulation out there is because they didn't fancy their chances and they wanted Ward to enter the ring weight drained.

Regarding Ward's amateur career weight you've actually just bolstered my argument. So Ward could have been weighing it at 165 or the late 160's and was beating guys who were undoubtedly atleast in the 170's but yet Golovkin isn't or wasn't good enough to beat Ward at 168?

Also do you think it would have been deemed acceptable if Ward would have said he wanted to fight Kovalev at 171 1/2 lbs? There would have been an uproar and people (Golovkin fans in all likelihood actually) calling him a ducker and a coward and so on if he would have requested that catchweight. You know I'm not wrong on that either.

165 in the amateurs = 165-152+

Do we know what GGG specifically tended to weigh when he boxed in that division as an amateur? I know that in 2002, as a 20 year old, he was still having bouts in the 152-141+ division (Ward was also 20 when he finished his amateur career at 178), so I wouldn't think that GGG was near the upper extreme of the 165 division. I'm not sure how much amateur weights matter anyway (you brought them up), as we can look at pro weights and see that GGG's only been above 160 twice and never strayed more than a pound above that; it's clear that he's not particulalry big for the division, and that Ward's weights and dimensions are much more in line with a natural 168 pound fighter. I think it's also obvious that neither Ward nor GGG have artificially deflated official fight weights due to Canelo-esque draining, so I don't believe it's a case of a CW being called for when the fighters are in reality pretty much the same size.

I'm not really sure how I've bolstered your argument. You don't know how much Ward's amateur opponents in the 178 class weighed, you don't know exactly how much he weighed, he was still heavier than GGG at the same age (at 20 GGG was the 152 pound Asian champ ), and if he really isn't that much bigger than GGG how is it much of a stretch for him to cut a few more pounds to reach 164? Why is an unwillingness to budge from 168 to fight a smaller man who only campaigns at MW not a duck move?

Ward has moved up to campaign at 175, and if he's going to challenge Kovalev for the latter's titles I think the full limit should be used. If GGG were to announce that he was fighting full-time as a SMW, had some bouts there at the full-limit, then demanded that a dangerous title holder meet him at a catchweight of 164 for a title fight, then I think it would be different. However, what we're actually looking at is a fighter who has stuck to fighting at 160, declaring that he wants to clean out the division and capture all the belts in the process. The fact that he's accused of ducking someone from a division he's never seriously fought at is laughable to me, as are the suggestions that him calling to meet Ward in the middle represents a 'gay' duck move, but Ward being unwilling to budge, when supposedly he isn't even that big of a SMW, doesn't.

And of course, this is all assuming that the 164 was actually put out there by GGG's team as the only option.

First off- when did I say anything about 'gay'? I called it a duck move, I'm pretty sure I didn't mention the word gay.

Okay here's Ward's gold medal match against Makarenko - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=12Ujh_fT1l4

Do you really sincerely believe they look the same size? To me the difference in size looks comparable to Ward and Golovkin so if Ward was good enough to beat Makarenko for the gold surely Golovkin (with all the hype that surrounds him) is good enough to beat Ward?

Golovkin beat Dirrell at the olympics- a guy that competed in the same class with Ward for years as a professional and has also fought at light heavy as a pro.

Regarding the weight they weighed when they were 20, I'm not sure what that's got to do with what's occuring in 2016 or within the last few years?

For Hopkins first pro fight when he was 23 years old in 1988 he weighed 177 lbs - he weighed less than that when he fought Shumenov when he was 49. It doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Alvarez weighed 147 when he was 20. So would you say he's a smaller man than Golovkin?

Also If Ward surely isn't that much bigger than Golovkin and thus capable of fighting Golovkin at 164, why can't Golovkin do the same for Alvarez with no belt on the line?

[boxing_rocks]

... and at 19, GGG fought at 141.

[lefty]

... and at 19, GGG fought at 141.

You talking about when he won the junior world's in 2000 when he was 18?

[crusader]

He's not fought above 161 in the pro's although he has as an amateur. I'm saying the 164 catchweight stipulation is a duck in relation to him being willing to fight Froch and Ramirez at 168 when the latter in particular is enormous for the weight. The only reason his team (not saying it's him necessarily) were putting that stipulation out there is because they didn't fancy their chances and they wanted Ward to enter the ring weight drained.

Regarding Ward's amateur career weight you've actually just bolstered my argument. So Ward could have been weighing it at 165 or the late 160's and was beating guys who were undoubtedly atleast in the 170's but yet Golovkin isn't or wasn't good enough to beat Ward at 168?

Also do you think it would have been deemed acceptable if Ward would have said he wanted to fight Kovalev at 171 1/2 lbs? There would have been an uproar and people (Golovkin fans in all likelihood actually) calling him a ducker and a coward and so on if he would have requested that catchweight. You know I'm not wrong on that either.

165 in the amateurs = 165-152+

Do we know what GGG specifically tended to weigh when he boxed in that division as an amateur? I know that in 2002, as a 20 year old, he was still having bouts in the 152-141+ division (Ward was also 20 when he finished his amateur career at 178), so I wouldn't think that GGG was near the upper extreme of the 165 division. I'm not sure how much amateur weights matter anyway (you brought them up), as we can look at pro weights and see that GGG's only been above 160 twice and never strayed more than a pound above that; it's clear that he's not particulalry big for the division, and that Ward's weights and dimensions are much more in line with a natural 168 pound fighter. I think it's also obvious that neither Ward nor GGG have artificially deflated official fight weights due to Canelo-esque draining, so I don't believe it's a case of a CW being called for when the fighters are in reality pretty much the same size.

I'm not really sure how I've bolstered your argument. You don't know how much Ward's amateur opponents in the 178 class weighed, you don't know exactly how much he weighed, he was still heavier than GGG at the same age (at 20 GGG was the 152 pound Asian champ ), and if he really isn't that much bigger than GGG how is it much of a stretch for him to cut a few more pounds to reach 164? Why is an unwillingness to budge from 168 to fight a smaller man who only campaigns at MW not a duck move?

Ward has moved up to campaign at 175, and if he's going to challenge Kovalev for the latter's titles I think the full limit should be used. If GGG were to announce that he was fighting full-time as a SMW, had some bouts there at the full-limit, then demanded that a dangerous title holder meet him at a catchweight of 164 for a title fight, then I think it would be different. However, what we're actually looking at is a fighter who has stuck to fighting at 160, declaring that he wants to clean out the division and capture all the belts in the process. The fact that he's accused of ducking someone from a division he's never seriously fought at is laughable to me, as are the suggestions that him calling to meet Ward in the middle represents a 'gay' duck move, but Ward being unwilling to budge, when supposedly he isn't even that big of a SMW, doesn't.

And of course, this is all assuming that the 164 was actually put out there by GGG's team as the only option.

First off- when did I say anything about 'gay'? I called it a duck move, I'm pretty sure I didn't mention the word gay.

Okay here's Ward's gold medal match against Makarenko - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=12Ujh_fT1l4

Do you really sincerely believe they look the same size? To me the difference in size looks comparable to Ward and Golovkin so if Ward was good enough to beat Makarenko for the gold surely Golovkin (with all the hype that surrounds him) is good enough to beat Ward?

Golovkin beat Dirrell at the olympics- a guy that competed in the same class with Ward for years as a professional and has also fought at light heavy as a pro.

Regarding the weight they weighed when they were 20, I'm not sure what that's got to do with what's occuring in 2016 or within the last few years?

For Hopkins first pro fight when he was 23 years old in 1988 he weighed 177 lbs - he weighed less than that when he fought Shumenov when he was 49. It doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Alvarez weighed 147 when he was 20. So would you say he's a smaller man than Golovkin?

Also If Ward surely isn't that much bigger than Golovkin and thus capable of fighting Golovkin at 164, why can't Golovkin do the same for Alvarez with no belt on the line?

-A poster who agreed with your 'duck move' sentiment called it 'gay'. I am referring to that statment

-Stringbean Makrenko (that was the quarterfinals) looks taller, but Ward seems to be more thickely built.

-GGG and Ward are close to the same age. If you are going to bring up GGG's amateur weights to support your argument with respect to him facing Ward, how is it irrelevant for me to note the discpreancy between their amateur weights when they were both 20? I only raised that point because you brought up the amateur weights, although now you're changing tune and acting like old weights are irrelevant.

-GGG did beat Dirrell in the amateurs at 165, only one pound off from the supposed CW of 164. How hard would it be for Ward to get down to that when he previously weighed 166 for Kessler?

-Unlike Ward and GGG, I think Canelo and GGG are the pretty much the same size, so I don't think a catchweight has the same 'balancing' effect of easing a size disadvantage. Also, I don't believe that Canelo has shown much willingness to budge from 155, which is not an in-between weight like 157 would be.

[boxing_rocks]

... and at 19, GGG fought at 141.

You talking about when he won the junior world's in 2000 when he was 18?

I believe he also fought in some tournament in Asia at 19.

[crusader]

He fought at 141 a month away from turning 19, and as a 20 year old he fought at 152.

[Enlightened-One]

The problem I have with Team GGG and his obsessive fans is the double-standards and inconsistencies, such as:
• Is willing to face certain fighters at 168lbs, but then demands 164lb catch-weight stipulations for others
• Is willing to face certain fighters at 154lbs, whilst refusing to engage in catch-weight stipulations at a higher weight (i.e. 155lbs, 157lbs etc.) for others
• Is critical of fellow middleweights facing much smaller opponents, but he is facing one in his next bout
• Is critical of other fighters demanding catch-weight stipulations, but he has done this himself on multiple occasions
• Is critical of prospective opponents requesting too much money to face him, yet he himself has declined opportunities to engage in marquee fights against pound-for-pound quality opposition for precisely the same reason
• Has frequently claimed that he’s willing to face anyone between 154lbs to 168lbs, but never competes at a weight other than 160lbs

For the record, I’m a fan of Gennady Golovkin, because he’s clearly a very good fighter… my gripe is the absurd behaviour of his fans.

[lefty]

165 in the amateurs = 165-152+

Do we know what GGG specifically tended to weigh when he boxed in that division as an amateur? I know that in 2002, as a 20 year old, he was still having bouts in the 152-141+ division (Ward was also 20 when he finished his amateur career at 178), so I wouldn't think that GGG was near the upper extreme of the 165 division. I'm not sure how much amateur weights matter anyway (you brought them up), as we can look at pro weights and see that GGG's only been above 160 twice and never strayed more than a pound above that; it's clear that he's not particulalry big for the division, and that Ward's weights and dimensions are much more in line with a natural 168 pound fighter. I think it's also obvious that neither Ward nor GGG have artificially deflated official fight weights due to Canelo-esque draining, so I don't believe it's a case of a CW being called for when the fighters are in reality pretty much the same size.

I'm not really sure how I've bolstered your argument. You don't know how much Ward's amateur opponents in the 178 class weighed, you don't know exactly how much he weighed, he was still heavier than GGG at the same age (at 20 GGG was the 152 pound Asian champ ), and if he really isn't that much bigger than GGG how is it much of a stretch for him to cut a few more pounds to reach 164? Why is an unwillingness to budge from 168 to fight a smaller man who only campaigns at MW not a duck move?

Ward has moved up to campaign at 175, and if he's going to challenge Kovalev for the latter's titles I think the full limit should be used. If GGG were to announce that he was fighting full-time as a SMW, had some bouts there at the full-limit, then demanded that a dangerous title holder meet him at a catchweight of 164 for a title fight, then I think it would be different. However, what we're actually looking at is a fighter who has stuck to fighting at 160, declaring that he wants to clean out the division and capture all the belts in the process. The fact that he's accused of ducking someone from a division he's never seriously fought at is laughable to me, as are the suggestions that him calling to meet Ward in the middle represents a 'gay' duck move, but Ward being unwilling to budge, when supposedly he isn't even that big of a SMW, doesn't.

And of course, this is all assuming that the 164 was actually put out there by GGG's team as the only option.

First off- when did I say anything about 'gay'? I called it a duck move, I'm pretty sure I didn't mention the word gay.

Okay here's Ward's gold medal match against Makarenko - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=12Ujh_fT1l4

Do you really sincerely believe they look the same size? To me the difference in size looks comparable to Ward and Golovkin so if Ward was good enough to beat Makarenko for the gold surely Golovkin (with all the hype that surrounds him) is good enough to beat Ward?

Golovkin beat Dirrell at the olympics- a guy that competed in the same class with Ward for years as a professional and has also fought at light heavy as a pro.

Regarding the weight they weighed when they were 20, I'm not sure what that's got to do with what's occuring in 2016 or within the last few years?

For Hopkins first pro fight when he was 23 years old in 1988 he weighed 177 lbs - he weighed less than that when he fought Shumenov when he was 49. It doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Alvarez weighed 147 when he was 20. So would you say he's a smaller man than Golovkin?

Also If Ward surely isn't that much bigger than Golovkin and thus capable of fighting Golovkin at 164, why can't Golovkin do the same for Alvarez with no belt on the line?

-A poster who agreed with your 'duck move' sentiment called it 'gay'. I am referring to that statment

-Stringbean Makrenko (that was the quarterfinals) looks taller, but Ward seems to be more thickely built.

-GGG and Ward are close to the same age. If you are going to bring up GGG's amateur weights to support your argument with respect to him facing Ward, how is it irrelevant for me to note the discpreancy between their amateur weights when they were both 20? I only raised that point because you brought up the amateur weights, although now you're changing tune and acting like old weights are irrelevant.

-GGG did beat Dirrell in the amateurs at 165, only one pound off from the supposed CW of 164. How hard would it be for Ward to get down to that when he previously weighed 166 for Kessler?

-Unlike Ward and GGG, I think Canelo and GGG are the pretty much the same size, so I don't think a catchweight has the same 'balancing' effect of easing a size disadvantage. Also, I don't believe that Canelo has shown much willingness to budge from 155, which is not an in-between weight like 157 would be.

Ward weighed 166 against Kessler nearly seven years ago.

[lefty]

He fought at 141 a month away from turning 19, and as a 20 year old he fought at 152.

Then at 21 he campaigned as an amateur middleweight. Also, if he's so small why did he start fighting at middleweight against the likes of Bute and Dirrell? Why didn't he stay at light middle?

[lefty]

The problem I have with Team GGG and his obsessive fans is the double-standards and inconsistencies, such as:
• Is willing to face certain fighters at 168lbs, but then demands 164lb catch-weight stipulations for others
• Is willing to face certain fighters at 154lbs, whilst refusing to engage in catch-weight stipulations at a higher weight (i.e. 155lbs, 157lbs etc.) for others
• Is critical of fellow middleweights facing much smaller opponents, but he is facing one in his next bout
• Is critical of other fighters demanding catch-weight stipulations, but he has done this himself on multiple occasions
• Is critical of prospective opponents requesting too much money to face him, yet he himself has declined opportunities to engage in marquee fights against pound-for-pound quality opposition for precisely the same reason
• Has frequently claimed that he’s willing to face anyone between 154lbs to 168lbs, but never competes at a weight other than 160lbs

For the record, I’m a fan of Gennady Golovkin, because he’s clearly a very good fighter… my gripe is the absurd behaviour of his fans.

[crusader]

He fought at 141 a month away from turning 19, and as a 20 year old he fought at 152.

Then at 21 he campaigned as an amateur middleweight. Also, if he's so small why did he start fighting at middleweight against the likes of Bute and Dirrell? Why didn't he stay at light middle?

Competing at middleweight simply means weighing more than 152 and no more than 165. Perhaps he got to a point where he was weighing, say, 156, and found it difficult to cut lower than 152 day after day, as he'd be required to for amateur tournaments. Either way, if you want to go on about amateur weights (remember, I didn't bring it up) I can just point to Ward being two divisions higher when they were both 20, and GGG being as low as 141 only a year before that.

Note that the weight difference has persisted throughout their pro careers, and I think evidence shows that Ward is obviously the bigger man. GGG would be at a significant size disadvantage if he were to face Ward at 168, where Ward has spent nearly all his career, and to me it's reasonable for his side to request a compromise on the weight. It's not like GGG won a title at 168, claimed to be THE champ in that division, or has even campaigned there either; he's a career MW who wants to clear out that division, and I don't see that as being a problem.

Has GGG's side been hypocritical? Maybe, and no doubt he's got his share of wild nuthuggers, but I don't think calling for 164 against Ward is an unreasonable duck move, and I'd actually take Ward to beat him at either weight.

[boxing_rocks]

He fought at 141 a month away from turning 19, and as a 20 year old he fought at 152.

Then at 21 he campaigned as an amateur middleweight. Also, if he's so small why did he start fighting at middleweight against the likes of Bute and Dirrell? Why didn't he stay at light middle?

Competing at middleweight simply means weighing more than 152 and no more than 165. Perhaps he got to a point where he was weighing, say, 156, and found it difficult to cut lower than 152 day after day, as he'd be required to for amateur tournaments. Either way, if you want to go on about amateur weights (remember, I didn't bring it up) I can just point to Ward being two divisions higher when they were both 20, and GGG being as low as 141 only a year before that.

Note that the weight difference has persisted throughout their pro careers, and I think evidence shows that Ward is obviously the bigger man. GGG would be at a significant size disadvantage if he were to face Ward at 168, where Ward has spent nearly all his career, and to me it's reasonable for his side to request a compromise on the weight. It's not like GGG won a title at 168, claimed to be THE champ in that division, or has even campaigned there either; he's a career MW who wants to clear out that division, and I don't see that as being a problem.

Has GGG's side been hypocritical? Maybe, and no doubt he's got his share of wild nuthuggers, but I don't think calling for 164 against Ward is an unreasonable duck move

Besides, Kazakh National Team coaches could have just moved him up in the interests of the team.

[crusader]

Ya, or maybe he was being a generous guy like Ward and moved up to help a friend or family member

[lefty]

He fought at 141 a month away from turning 19, and as a 20 year old he fought at 152.

Then at 21 he campaigned as an amateur middleweight. Also, if he's so small why did he start fighting at middleweight against the likes of Bute and Dirrell? Why didn't he stay at light middle?

Competing at middleweight simply means weighing more than 152 and no more than 165. Perhaps he got to a point where he was weighing, say, 156, and found it difficult to cut lower than 152 day after day, as he'd be required to for amateur tournaments. Either way, if you want to go on about amateur weights (remember, I didn't bring it up) I can just point to Ward being two divisions higher when they were both 20, and GGG being as low as 141 only a year before that.

Note that the weight difference has persisted throughout their pro careers, and I think evidence shows that Ward is obviously the bigger man. GGG would be at a significant size disadvantage if he were to face Ward at 168, where Ward has spent nearly all his career, and to me it's reasonable for his side to request a compromise on the weight. It's not like GGG won a title at 168, claimed to be THE champ in that division, or has even campaigned there either; he's a career MW who wants to clear out that division, and I don't see that as being a problem.

Has GGG's side been hypocritical? Maybe, and no doubt he's got his share of wild nuthuggers, but I don't think calling for 164 against Ward is an unreasonable duck move, and I'd actually take Ward to beat him at either weight.

That's fair enough. Atleast your reasonable about it. By the way I'm not saying Ward isn't the bigger man but it does seem a little farcical when you're willing to fight a guy like Ramirez who is absolutely enormous at 168, up there with Calum smith for size but you want a catchweight of 164 for Ward- let's be honest to a large extent it is an admission aswell that Golovkins camp don't really fancy their chances with Ward. Now I agree that Ward could try and make 164- I'm not sure if he he could make that weight but even if he did he would be pretty damn weight drained I imagine.

Also going back to Ramirez, that's why I don't understand why golovkin wouldn't take a catchweight again Canelo- I know Canelo rehydrates a lot but I'm pretty sure he still wouldnt be the same kind of size Ramirez would be in the ring.

[lefty]

Ya, or maybe he was being a generous guy like Ward and moved up to help a friend or family member

You're taking the piss but that is what Happened to be fair lol.

[Enlightened-One]

Either way, if you want to go on about amateur weights (remember, I didn't bring it up) I can just point to Ward being two divisions higher when they were both 20...

Like I stated earlier in this thread, Ward only competed as a light heavyweight in the amateur ranks to avoid facing his cousin (DonYil Livingston) who fought as a middleweight. The weight difference never affected Ward's success in the ring.

Golovkin won his first 165lb amateur title in July 2003, whilst Ward had only moved away from the middleweight division in March 2003 (because of his pact with his cousin).

...it's reasonable for [GGG's] side to request a compromise on the weight [with Ward].

Golovkin criticised Canelo for facing a welterweight (at 155lbs), but it’s OK for him to face a 147lb fighter in a contest to be fought at 160lbs?

Golovkin stated that he was willing to face DeGale, Hopkins, Froch and Chavez Jr. at 168lbs, but he's only willing to face Ward at 164lbs?

Golovkin states that he’s willing to fight Mayweather Jr. at 154lbs, but not Canelo or Cotto at 155lbs… or Brook at 157lbs… even though Gennady has repeatedly stated that he can make 154lbs with ease?

Golovkin criticises Canelo for refusing to fight 5lbs above his typical fighting weight to face him, yet he refuses to face Ward weighing more than 4lbs above his own normal weight?

[boxing_rocks]

Golovkin criticised Canelo for facing a welterweight (at 155lbs), but it’s OK for him to face a 147lb fighter in a contest to be fought at 160lbs?

Golovkin stated that he was willing to face DeGale, Hopkins, Froch and Chavez Jr. at 168lbs, but he's only willing to face Ward at 164lbs?

Golovkin states that he’s willing to fight Mayweather Jr. at 154lbs, but not Canelo or Cotto at 155lbs… or Brook at 157lbs… even though Gennady has repeatedly stated that he can make 154lbs with ease?

Golovkin criticises Canelo for refusing to fight 5lbs above his typical fighting weight to face him, yet he refuses to face Ward weighing 4lbs above his own normal weight?

You are the one who needs your IQ checked if you can't easily counter the above statements.

[crusader]

I've been quoted by fergus 'four aliases' g!

Good thing I have him on ignore

[Enlightened-One]

Golovkin criticised Canelo for facing a welterweight (at 155lbs), but it’s OK for him to face a 147lb fighter in a contest to be fought at 160lbs?

Golovkin stated that he was willing to face DeGale, Hopkins, Froch and Chavez Jr. at 168lbs, but he's only willing to face Ward at 164lbs?

Golovkin states that he’s willing to fight Mayweather Jr. at 154lbs, but not Canelo or Cotto at 155lbs… or Brook at 157lbs… even though Gennady has repeatedly stated that he can make 154lbs with ease?

Golovkin criticises Canelo for refusing to fight 5lbs above his typical fighting weight to face him, yet he refuses to face Ward weighing 4lbs above his own normal weight?

You are the one who needs your IQ checked if you can't easily counter the above statements.

The counter for every single one of the above statements is “double-standards”…

When Golovkin makes the same decisions his rivals make, both parties are held accountable to different standards by GGG fans!

[lefty]

Golovkin criticised Canelo for facing a welterweight (at 155lbs), but it’s OK for him to face a 147lb fighter in a contest to be fought at 160lbs?

Golovkin stated that he was willing to face DeGale, Hopkins, Froch and Chavez Jr. at 168lbs, but he's only willing to face Ward at 164lbs?

Golovkin states that he’s willing to fight Mayweather Jr. at 154lbs, but not Canelo or Cotto at 155lbs… or Brook at 157lbs… even though Gennady has repeatedly stated that he can make 154lbs with ease?

Golovkin criticises Canelo for refusing to fight 5lbs above his typical fighting weight to face him, yet he refuses to face Ward weighing 4lbs above his own normal weight?

You are the one who needs your IQ checked if you can't easily counter the above statements.

I don't see what's wrong with the points he's made there.

[Enlightened-One]

You are the one who needs your IQ checked if you can't easily counter the above statements.

I don't see what's wrong with the points he's made there.

It kind of intrigues me that a list of facts, proposed by a person like me who allegedly “needs” their “IQ checked”, that are apparently “easy to counter”, can often lead to silence!

[boxing_rocks]

Golovkin criticised Canelo for facing a welterweight (at 155lbs), but it’s OK for him to face a 147lb fighter in a contest to be fought at 160lbs?
-- Canelo had all choices in the world, while Brook was the last minute replacement

Golovkin stated that he was willing to face DeGale, Hopkins, Froch and Chavez Jr. at 168lbs, but he's only willing to face Wardrawsd164lbs?
-- Chavez and Froch were huge draws, and for Hopkins 168 would be a catch weight.

Golovkin states that he’s willing to fight Mayweather Jr. at 154lbs, but not Canelo or Cotto at 155lbs… or Brook at 157lbs… even though Gennady has repeatedly stated that he can make 154lbs with ease?
-- Mayweather is a WW, while Canelo claimed to be a MW champion. Brook did not request a CW.

Golovkin criticises Canelo for refusing to fight 5lbs above his typical fighting weight to face him, yet he refuses to face Ward weighing more than 4lbs above his own normal weight?
-- Canelo was in the same weight class as Golovkin, and Golovkin was his mandatory, none of which applies to Ward.

Was it so hard to figure out ?

[Wales]

Never gonna happen.

Nuff said

Exactly, did he not get the memo that Froch will have been retired for two and a half years by time GGG fights Brook!