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banjo wrote:Agreed, Amir Khan got a silver and got great opportunities.

Bit different in that Khan won GB's only boxing medal in Athens, whereas Joyce follows gold-winners Joshua and Harrison.

I was willing Joyce to swap his right to the body for a left to the liver, or just a straight body punch to the plexus out of his hustling style. Left, right, left to the body; left, feint right, left to the body; lead right, left to the body; same stuff, but swivelling to look for an uppercut angle instead of the last body shot. I found it hard to score: Joyce did plenty and Yoka landed little, but most of Joyce's work was hitting Yoka's arms and gloves.

I think Joyce is in an awkward position of needing more rounds to be successful with his style as an amateur, but he's not strong enough to reach the major belts as a pro. He can improve, and I like the guy, but it's a tough road ahead and I wonder if there isn't another sport he could turn to for Tokyo. Judo or taekwondo, perhaps.

Folk on here need to get a grip with these accusations of robberies- it's as if any time a Decsion is a made that folk don't agree with then it's got to be some underhand reason. I have seen folk saying that Joyce clearly won? No he didn't. He was hitting gloves and elbows. He threw more punches but the cleaner work was from the Frenchman.

I thought Joyce clearly won the first- the judges saw it differently. That doesn't make them corrupt. In my opinion Joyce lost the next two. The second was a clear round for the French man who started to work at distance.

totally wrong - JJ was throwing shots through the frenchmans gloves for a couple of minutes each round without reply. obviously not all got through but good % did. Joka then threw the odd shot back with limited success. he never pressed JJ at any point.

and I wish you well with your faith in the honesty of Olympic boxing judges

When you only got a few rounds to work, laying back rarely engaging and getting outworked shouldn't be rewarded at all much less with a Gold Medal.

lillywhite14 wrote:Yoka must have something on someone. He got lucky in the worlds then receives a nice bit of officiating in these Olympics against Hrgovic and now Joyce

X2 if anything he was even luckier in the worlds.

Over the last year EVERY time the French guy's been in a very close fight he gets the decision....it's happened at least 5 times from what I've seen. On their own none of the fights are what I'd call robberies, but it's a bit odd when he repeatedly gets the benefit of the doubt.

It wasn't brilliant boxing from Joe but I'm at a complete loss as to how anyone could score rounds 1 and 3 for Yoka. Unless we're giving credit for looking a bit better technically while not actually throwing punches?

ElJefe wrote:It wasn't brilliant boxing from Joe but I'm at a complete loss as to how anyone could score rounds 1 and 3 for Yoka. Unless we're giving credit for looking a bit better technically while not actually throwing punches?

Like the boxing equivalent of Artistic Gymnastics

A Williams-Han round to the man in red.

Sklar wrote:Does AJ look like he's carrying a fair bit less muscle tha he sometimes does? Probably giving his body a rest from heavy training. Sensible.

It's referred to as being 'off cycle'

Grilling Machine wrote:

banjo wrote:Agreed, Amir Khan got a silver and got great opportunities.

Bit different in that Khan won GB's only boxing medal in Athens, whereas Joyce follows gold-winners Joshua and Harrison.

I was willing Joyce to swap his right to the body for a left to the liver, or just a straight body punch to the plexus out of his hustling style. Left, right, left to the body; left, feint right, left to the body; lead right, left to the body; same stuff, but swivelling to look for an uppercut angle instead of the last body shot. I found it hard to score: Joyce did plenty and Yoka landed little, but most of Joyce's work was hitting Yoka's arms and gloves.

I think Joyce is in an awkward position of needing more rounds to be successful with his style as an amateur, but he's not strong enough to reach the major belts as a pro. He can improve, and I like the guy, but it's a tough road ahead and I wonder if there isn't another sport he could turn to for Tokyo. Judo or taekwondo, perhaps.

Why on earth would a successful boxer want to go into those sports? He can make a fortune in boxing, he can get some belts and maybe a first Dan in judo/TKD

Tomasino wrote:

Grilling Machine wrote:

banjo wrote:Agreed, Amir Khan got a silver and got great opportunities.

Bit different in that Khan won GB's only boxing medal in Athens, whereas Joyce follows gold-winners Joshua and Harrison.

I was willing Joyce to swap his right to the body for a left to the liver, or just a straight body punch to the plexus out of his hustling style. Left, right, left to the body; left, feint right, left to the body; lead right, left to the body; same stuff, but swivelling to look for an uppercut angle instead of the last body shot. I found it hard to score: Joyce did plenty and Yoka landed little, but most of Joyce's work was hitting Yoka's arms and gloves.

I think Joyce is in an awkward position of needing more rounds to be successful with his style as an amateur, but he's not strong enough to reach the major belts as a pro. He can improve, and I like the guy, but it's a tough road ahead and I wonder if there isn't another sport he could turn to for Tokyo. Judo or taekwondo, perhaps.

Why on earth would a successful boxer want to go into those sports? He can make a fortune in boxing, he can get some belts and maybe a first Dan in judo/TKD

Because he's not likely to do anything as a pro, he's 31 next month, nearly pipe and slipper time.

If someone said that a Judo or TKD athlete should change to boxing at the olympics people would have fits.

Id say its doing judo and TKD competitors a discredit to assume that he could just appear at the next olympics in their field. They have dedicated years to their sports just like most of the top Am boxers have.

Emmseegee wrote:If someone said that a Judo or TKD athlete should change to boxing at the olympics people would have fits.

Id say its doing judo and TKD competitors a discredit to assume that he could just appear at the next olympics in their field. They have dedicated years to their sports just like most of the top Am boxers have.

Judo at least has a practical purpose in an actual fight and could be transferred to MMA. I don't know what the hell good being a Tae Kwon Do fighter does outside of Tae Kwon Do matches.

banjo wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

Grilling Machine wrote: Bit different in that Khan won GB's only boxing medal in Athens, whereas Joyce follows gold-winners Joshua and Harrison.

I was willing Joyce to swap his right to the body for a left to the liver, or just a straight body punch to the plexus out of his hustling style. Left, right, left to the body; left, feint right, left to the body; lead right, left to the body; same stuff, but swivelling to look for an uppercut angle instead of the last body shot. I found it hard to score: Joyce did plenty and Yoka landed little, but most of Joyce's work was hitting Yoka's arms and gloves.

I think Joyce is in an awkward position of needing more rounds to be successful with his style as an amateur, but he's not strong enough to reach the major belts as a pro. He can improve, and I like the guy, but it's a tough road ahead and I wonder if there isn't another sport he could turn to for Tokyo. Judo or taekwondo, perhaps.

Why on earth would a successful boxer want to go into those sports? He can make a fortune in boxing, he can get some belts and maybe a first Dan in judo/TKD

Because he's not likely to do anything as a pro, he's 31 next month, nearly pipe and slipper time.

So he should go and make a fool of himself at Judo or TKD and give up his years of boxing?

Doesnt look to me as if he will be doing round house kicks anytime soon.

Tomasino wrote:

banjo wrote:

Tomasino wrote:


Why on earth would a successful boxer want to go into those sports? He can make a fortune in boxing, he can get some belts and maybe a first Dan in judo/TKD

Because he's not likely to do anything as a pro, he's 31 next month, nearly pipe and slipper time.

So he should go and make a fool of himself at Judo or TKD and give up his years of boxing?

No he should stay amateur for the next games.

Emmseegee wrote:Id say its doing judo and TKD competitors a discredit to assume that he could just appear at the next olympics in their field. They have dedicated years to their sports just like most of the top Am boxers have.

He's a talented customer, and he can already kick. Pele Reid and Skelton both learnt how to box within four years. Danny McIntosh was (is?) a decent boxer. Dillian Whyte...

The reason I mentioned those sports is because you're not risking your mental health if you persist at them while not making it big. Again, Joyce has the talent to turn his hand to quite a few athletic pursuits (Rebecca Romero won golds in rowing and cycling; Bob Hayes was the best sprinter of his day and an American football star; and John Regis had a go at bobsleigh!). If he turns pro he'll need very careful management and could get seriously hurt against the top names (is my hunch), and if he stays as an amateur until he's 35 he might just get gypped again.

It's up to him, but unlike most pros who don't have many other options, it'd be a shame to see him get hurt when he has.

Amatuer boxing should go back to the clean punches are worth points system.

At least that way, every point given would have to be held accountable by the judge when they are reviewed post fight.

Grilling Machine wrote:

Emmseegee wrote:Id say its doing judo and TKD competitors a discredit to assume that he could just appear at the next olympics in their field. They have dedicated years to their sports just like most of the top Am boxers have.

He's a talented customer, and he can already kick. Pele Reid and Skelton both learnt how to box within four years. Danny McIntosh was (is?) a decent boxer. Dillian Whyte...

The reason I mentioned those sports is because you're not risking your mental health if you persist at them while not making it big. Again, Joyce has the talent to turn his hand to quite a few athletic pursuits (Rebecca Romero won golds in rowing and cycling; Bob Hayes was the best sprinter of his day and an American football star; and John Regis had a go at bobsleigh!). If he turns pro he'll need very careful management and could get seriously hurt against the top names (is my hunch), and if he stays as an amateur until he's 35 he might just get gypped again.

It's up to him, but unlike most pros who don't have many other options, it'd be a shame to see him get hurt when he has.

What? Are you drunk?

So you're advice is that after winning a silver medal at boxing, eh become a pro what, cyclist, rower, kickboxer? He's 30, if he wants to pursue a sporting career, he should turn to boxing, where he can parlay his silver medal to success. You don't start a new sport at 30 and expect to become a top flight competitor.

You think there's no health risk to being kicked unconscious?

If we're talking about kickboxing or MMA, but have you seen taekwondo?

Hey, it's totally his choice if he wants to turn pro - good luck to him, but I can't see it ending well; that's all. I think he'll struggle with anything over six rounds in competitive bouts. The sharks'll come out due to his current status, and then disappear as soon as he's derailed. Let's hope he gets a good manager and proves me wrong, starting with someone like Dave Allen as a yardstick opponent. Don't let him repeat Harrison's mistake of wasting his best years against Eastern Euro cruisers.

Tomasino wrote:

banjo wrote:

Tomasino wrote:


Why on earth would a successful boxer want to go into those sports? He can make a fortune in boxing, he can get some belts and maybe a first Dan in judo/TKD

Because he's not likely to do anything as a pro, he's 31 next month, nearly pipe and slipper time.

So he should go and make a fool of himself at Judo or TKD and give up his years of boxing?

No, he should go into basketball. With six months of training.....

Grilling Machine wrote:If we're talking about kickboxing or MMA, but have you seen taekwondo?

Hey, it's totally his choice if he wants to turn pro - good luck to him, but I can't see it ending well; that's all. I think he'll struggle with anything over six rounds in competitive bouts. The sharks'll come out due to his current status, and then disappear as soon as he's derailed. Let's hope he gets a good manager and proves me wrong, starting with someone like Dave Allen as a yardstick opponent. Don't let him repeat Harrison's mistake of wasting his best years against Eastern Euro cruisers.

yeah ive seen taekwondo, make it look easy dont they ? wonder how many couch potatoes sat watching joyce thinking "i can do what that pudding is doing dead easy" ? you cant just dip your toe in at top level in ANYTHING and hope to do well

Briggs is still fighting, Bundu is still fighting, with the right coach joyce will use his attributes compete british level very fast.

Does Joyce remind anyone else of Gary Mason?