Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?

[Enlightened-One]

Full Definition of racism
1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination

You are an idiot. "Racism" is based on race. If it is based on nationality, it is called differently.

The definition of a “racial group” that is being discriminated against, in the context of the phrase "racism", is derived from the governmental “Crown Prosecution Service” meaning of the phrase, which is the legal term used to evaluate racist motivated crimes in the UK:

“Racial group – this means any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin.”

Indeed, the UK-based official BBC website defines the term “racism” accordingly:

“Racism is when someone is discriminated against (singled out) because of their race, the colour of their skin, their nationality, their accent or first language, or their ethnic or national origin. Racism is a hate crime, and is illegal.”

Therefore, when you claim that the British and German officials would discriminate against Sergey Kovalev, solely due to his nationality, you’re not only accusing them of being “racists”, but you are labelling them as criminals, which is a slanderous claim.

You've been making the very same ludicrous claims against the American officials in regards to the Kovalev-Ward fight as you did against the German and UK officials, before the bout has even taken place.

Officials in the U.K. or Germany wouldn't be fair to Kovalev either, even in "normal" circumstances. Now, with anti-Russian hysteria in Western press, there is no way he gets fair treatment.

[boxing_rocks]

I am not making any accusations based on race or nationality. In this particular case, I believe that the political situation and judges' political beliefs will contribute to unfair judging.

[Tanzio]

The Russian id is on inglorious display here.

[asdfjkl]

Refs don't help the homecountry, they usually help Americans, but that's something else.

[Enlightened-One]

I am not making any accusations based on race or nationality. In this particular case, I believe that the political situation and judges' political beliefs will contribute to unfair judging.

You are making derogatory accusations about groups of people, who you’ve never met, whose only common bond is their nationalities, based on a disparaging assumption of a situation that has not taken place yet… involving fighters that have never been involved in any sort of sporting controversy driven by national bias.

Any human being that makes derogatory accusations about a group of people based on nothing but their nationality, without knowing those people or possessing any evidence to justify their offensive false claims, is by the very definition of the word... racist!

[boxing_rocks]

I am not making any accusations based on race or nationality. In this particular case, I believe that the political situation and judges' political beliefs will contribute to unfair judging.

You are making derogatory accusations about groups of people, who you’ve never met, whose only common bond is their nationalities, based on an assumption of a situation that has not taken place yet… involving fighters that have never been involved in any sort of sporting controversy driven by national bias.

Any human being that makes derogatory accusations about a group of people based on nothing but their nationality, without knowing those people or possessing any evidence to justify your offensive false claims, is racist!

... and you are wrong again, because most of officials will likely not be Americans and will not have a common national bond. Stop pushing your agenda. Even your tiny brain should be capable to understand that my post had nothing to do with a race or nationality.

[Enlightened-One]

I am not making any accusations based on race or nationality. In this particular case, I believe that the political situation and judges' political beliefs will contribute to unfair judging.

You are making derogatory accusations about groups of people, who you’ve never met, whose only common bond is their nationalities, based on an assumption of a situation that has not taken place yet… involving fighters that have never been involved in any sort of sporting controversy driven by national bias.

Any human being that makes derogatory accusations about a group of people based on nothing but their nationality, without knowing those people or possessing any evidence to justify your offensive false claims, is racist!

... and you are wrong again, because most of officials will likely not be Americans and will not have a common national bond. Stop pushing your agenda. Even your tiny brain should be capable to understand that my post had nothing to do with a race or nationality.

You're struggling to keep up. You've posted anti-German, anti-UK and anti-American sentiments in this thread... do you care to add more nationalities as targets of your hatred?

Look even at this poster. Nice kind American and a vile Russian...

[boxing_rocks]

I did not make anti-UK or anti-German accusations when talking about hometown decisions. I am accusing corrupt people in boxing regardless of their nationality. One must be blind to deny robberies which happen on a regular basis.

[Enlightened-One]

I did not make anti-UK or anti-German accusations when talking about hometown decisions. I am accusing corrupt people in boxing regardless of their nationality. One must be blind to deny robberies which happen on a regular basis.

We're going in circles... and I need to get some sleep.

Most of your criticism is aimed at groups of people whose only common bond is their nationality. You don't know those people and the events that you're accusing them of committing wrongdoing haven't even happened yet. You can't be so aggressively derogatory about groups of people based on literally nothing barring their nationalities.

You also claimed multiple times that hometown decisions are very frequent... and I asked you to quantify this claim by supplying the percentage of occurrences of this phenomena in comparison to quantity of bouts that took place during any given weekend. This challenge was met with silence.

You're entitled to your opinion, as freedom of speech is a basic human right, but not when it contravenes legislation that exists to eliminate racial hatred.

[Freedom2013]

You're entitled to your opinion, as freedom of speech is a basic human right, but not when it contravenes legislation that exists to eliminate racial hatred.

But he's not doing that.

Anybody who believes officiating that benefits the home country boxer never happens is either very naïve or has not watched very much boxing.

I've seen it many times in the USA, UK, Germany, Australia, NZ, and in my home country Canada.

An example from this year is Browne-Kalajdzic.

[Enlightened-One]

You're entitled to your opinion, as freedom of speech is a basic human right, but not when it contravenes legislation that exists to eliminate racial hatred.

But he's not doing that.

Anybody who believes officiating that benefits the home country boxer never happens is either very naïve or has not watched very much boxing.

I've seen it many times in the USA, UK, Germany, Australia, NZ, and in my home country Canada.

An example from this year is Browne-Kalajdzic.

Have you not been paying attention to all the comments in both Kovalev-Ward threads? He hasn't always kept to the subject matter when he was offending other nationalities... and when you combine these words with his anti-nationality boxing-related comments, it makes him look racist.

I use duck test logic when I accuse him of being racist.

If I'm wrong, provide the evidence that contradicts my claims against boxing_rocks.

I won't engage in strawman debating tactics, so stick to what has actually been discussed - not simply your preferred interpretation of events.

[Freedom2013]

Have you not been paying attention to all the comments in both Kovalev-Ward threads? He hasn't always kept to the subject matter when he was offending other nationalities... and when you combine these words with his anti-nationality boxing-related comments, it makes him look racist.

I use duck test logic when I accuse him of being racist.

If I'm wrong, provide the evidence that contradicts my claims against boxing_rocks.

I have read his posts, but I don't see anything racist from him. Nothing at all.

Is what you're doing an example of projecting your own feelings about fighters not from the USA onto him?

I do not care much for any current boxers from my home country of Canada because they are all mediocre, but have favorites from all over the world: Joshua (UK) Kovalev (RUS) Golovkin (KAZ) Deveryanchenko (UA) etc. Someone who is prejudiced against boxers not from his own country limits his enjoyment of the sport.

[Tanzio]

Have you not been paying attention to all the comments in both Kovalev-Ward threads? He hasn't always kept to the subject matter when he was offending other nationalities... and when you combine these words with his anti-nationality boxing-related comments, it makes him look racist.

I use duck test logic when I accuse him of being racist.

If I'm wrong, provide the evidence that contradicts my claims against boxing_rocks.

I have read his posts, but I don't see anything racist from him. Nothing at all.

Is what you're doing an example of projecting your own feelings about fighters not from the USA onto him?

I do not care much for any current boxers from my home country of Canada because they are all mediocre, but have favorites from all over the world: Joshua (UK) Kovalev (RUS) Golovkin (KAZ) Deveryanchenko (UA) etc. Someone who is prejudiced against boxers not from his own country limits his enjoyment of the sport.

I believe E-O is from England or somewhere UKish.

[Enlightened-One]

Have you not been paying attention to all the comments in both Kovalev-Ward threads? He hasn't always kept to the subject matter when he was offending other nationalities... and when you combine these words with his anti-nationality boxing-related comments, it makes him look racist.

I use duck test logic when I accuse him of being racist.

If I'm wrong, provide the evidence that contradicts my claims against boxing_rocks.

I have read his posts, but I don't see anything racist from him. Nothing at all.

Is what you're doing an example of projecting your own feelings about fighters not from the USA onto him?

I do not care much for any current boxers from my home country of Canada because they are all mediocre, but have favorites from all over the world: Joshua (UK) Kovalev (RUS) Golovkin (KAZ) Deveryanchenko (UA) etc. Someone who is prejudiced against boxers not from his own country limits his enjoyment of the sport.

I've posted the reasons for my accusations and boxing_rocks himself was unable to directly justify his own comments. He could only respond with insults.

You're just trying to divert the topic of discussion, but my posting history easily addresses your accusations of me.

[CaptainSpacerod]

Unusual place to find a raging debate on semantics !

I think the meaning of race has become a bit blurred recently particularly in overly politically correct countries like the UK.

The term is now applied loosely to any group of people. A Pole is attacked and it's a race hate crime even though the perpetrators are themselves white anglo saxons. Baffling.

[Enlightened-One]

Unusual place to find a raging debate on semantics !

I think the meaning of race has become a bit blurred recently particularly in overly politically correct countries like the UK.

The term is now applied loosely to any group of people. A Pole is attacked and it's a race hate crime even though the perpetrators are themselves white anglo saxons. Baffling.

What is your definition of racism or a racial hate crime? The UK legal definition of those terms have existed for more than a decade.

[CaptainSpacerod]

Unusual place to find a raging debate on semantics !

I think the meaning of race has become a bit blurred recently particularly in overly politically correct countries like the UK.

The term is now applied loosely to any group of people. A Pole is attacked and it's a race hate crime even though the perpetrators are themselves white anglo saxons. Baffling.

What is your definition of racism or a racial hate crime? The UK legal definition of those terms have existed for more than a decade.

Racism is when people are discriminated against because of their race. These days nationalities are regarded as races by the liberal elite but not by the man in the street.

[Enlightened-One]

Unusual place to find a raging debate on semantics !

I think the meaning of race has become a bit blurred recently particularly in overly politically correct countries like the UK.

The term is now applied loosely to any group of people. A Pole is attacked and it's a race hate crime even though the perpetrators are themselves white anglo saxons. Baffling.

What is your definition of racism or a racial hate crime? The UK legal definition of those terms have existed for more than a decade.

Racism is when people are discriminated against because of their race. These days nationalities are regarded as races by the liberal elite but not by the man in the street.

What you've said is poetic but untrue. I don't believe the average "man in the street" would tolerate racial hatred targeted against people based purely on their nationality.

The legal terminology seems unanimous for most (if not all) countries across the globe.

[CaptainSpacerod]

What you've said is poetic but untrue. I don't believe the average "man in the street" would tolerate racial hatred targeted against people based purely on their nationality.

The legal terminology seems unanimous for most (if not all) countries across the globe.

No, you misunderstand me

I'm not saying your average Joe would tolerate discrimination or violence against anybody, absolutely not.

What I mean is that they wouldn't define it as a race crime.

[Freedom2013]

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[boxing_rocks]

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To be fair, Ward is only using a lot of dirty tactics when he needs to. He didn't have to against Smith, Barrera and Brand. Not a very good excuse, but still ...

[Freedom2013]

To be fair, Ward is only using a lot of dirty tactics when he needs to. He didn't have to against Smith, Barrera and Brand. Not a very good excuse, but still ...

He resorts to it when the other boxer is coming on and he feels threatened.

When Barrera started coming on, Ward nailed him with a hard shot to the testicles.

[Baby Face Finster]

To be fair, Ward is only using a lot of dirty tactics when he needs to. He didn't have to against Smith, Barrera and Brand. Not a very good excuse, but still ...

He resorts to it when the other boxer is coming on and he feels threatened.

When Barrera started coming on, Ward nailed him with a hard shot to the testicles.

Then his opponents need to retaliate with the same tactics. Fight fire with fire. If you get hit to the nutsack then you got to return the favour. If everytime Ward fouls they foul right back I am sure he will stop doing it.

[dberry]

To be fair, Ward is only using a lot of dirty tactics when he needs to. He didn't have to against Smith, Barrera and Brand. Not a very good excuse, but still ...

He resorts to it when the other boxer is coming on and he feels threatened.

When Barrera started coming on, Ward nailed him with a hard shot to the testicles.

Then his opponents need to retaliate with the same tactics. Fight fire with fire. If you get hit to the nutsack then you got to return the favour. If everytime Ward fouls they foul right back I am sure he will stop doing it.

Wrong, if you get hit to the nut sac you should cut the fuckr's eye open with an elbow before busting the bridge of his nose with a headbut.

[Freedom2013]

Then his opponents need to retaliate with the same tactics. Fight fire with fire. If you get hit to the nutsack then you got to return the favour. If everytime Ward fouls they foul right back I am sure he will stop doing it.

The problem is, Ward has had dishonest refs who ignore his fouls, while warning, scolding and punishing his opponents when they retaliate. This happened in Ward's fight with Bika.

In the Kessler fight, Jack Reiss kept scolding Kessler between rounds for holding, although it was Ward who was doing it! In the Rodriguez fight, Ward was doing 99% of the fouling, but Reiss made a show of deducting 2 points from each.

I just hope there will be an honest, FAIR referee for the Ward-Kovalev fight.