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PsychoGamerTwo wrote:

littlepug wrote:

PsychoGamerTwo wrote:Gennady. I don't count these kids. Everybody talking about this Inoue kid, how he would KO Gonzalez. And i haven't even seen this slit eyed midget. Nor i intend to.

why not ? are you not a boxing fan ?

I am, but i want to see grown men boxing, not women, or 160cm midgets.

Well your missing out on some cracking action down there then mate, besides its not even evident how small they are on TV as long as they are reasonably both in the same height range

boxing_rocks wrote:Sanchez said that Golovkin may end his career at 175, not jump from 160 to 175 when there is unfinished business at MW.

Please refrain from trying to arguing against a claim that I have never previously made, since I have personally never suggested that Golovkin should (or was willing) to skip the super-middleweight division and jump straight to 175lbs.

I quoted Abel Sanchez’s words, which was that GGG was capable of competing at 175lbs. I have already supplied one video and one interview transcript in this thread to support this. I provided another separate video containing the very same claims during one of our other (recent) arguments in another thread, have you forgotten about this?

Abel Sanchez was willing to allow Golovkin to compete as a fully-fledged light heavyweight in November 2014.

Here’s another extract from an interview transcript, whereby GGG himself stated that he was willing to skip the 168lb division to face Hopkins at 175lbs:

Golovkin has made it clear; he’s even willing to bypass the super middleweight division to face Bernard Hopkins at 175. “Yeah, why not?” he asks, rhetorically. “My weight is good; last month, I weighed 170, 171. My weight is no problem.” And he’s willing to go anywhere between 154 and 175 for the right opponent. “Yeah, it’s no problem. I sparred with Tavoris Cloud. It was good work. I feel this category is good for me. It’s no problem.”

Here’s another extract from an interview transcript (from September 2013) whereby Tom Loeffler states that Golovkin is willing to make the jump to 175lbs for a compelling fight:

“The priority is him capitalizing on the best weight, the middleweight division. If there is a compelling fight at 168, 154 Gennady has made it clear that he can fight at either weight. Even at 175.”

boxing_rocks wrote:Also, a possibility of fighting Hopkins at LHW was likely mentioned a few years ago.

It was mentioned in November 2014, since Abel Sanchez claimed that Golovkin is capable of competing at 175lbs.

If you’re a Gennady Golovkin fan, why aren’t you following the claims made by the man himself and his team? I don’t know why you’re even bothering to argue against someone that is merely quoting Team GGG's words in a parrot-like verbatim fashion.

Enlightened-One wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Tell that to Abel Sanchez. Perhaps you can educate him.

Abel Sanchez said he can beat anyone up to 168lbs. That doesn't include anything above 168.

If you want to be pedantic, Abel Sanchez actually said that no man from 154lbs to 168lbs can go the distance with Golovkin. He also claimed that GGG will eventually move up to 175lbs. He also claimed that Gennady dropped Sergey Kovalev during sparring. He also claimed that GGG often batters world-rated cruiserweights during sparring. He also claimed that GGG would be willing to face Bernard Hopkins at 175lbs.

If you'd used the hyperlink in my previous post, you would have read the interview transcript of Golovkin's trainer making the 175lb claim.

If reading is not your thing, there’s a YouTube video of him making the same claims.

If you still believe that these claims are incorrect, perhaps you should air your concerns about the inaccuracy of Sanchez’s statements directly to Tom Loeffler.

Here’s his postal address:

Tom Loeffler
Managing Director
K2 PROMOTIONS
358 HAMPTON DRIVE
VENICE, CA 90291

Here’s the generic K2 email address: [email protected]

GGG has sparred with heavyweights but that doesn't mean he's willing to fight at heavy. Abel's claims have absolutely NOTHING to do with what weight GGG is willing to fight at. Floyd has sparred with and dominated full blow middleweights but that doesn't mean he's willing to get in the ring at that weight. Abel only what GGG did in sparring to bigger guys but never said that GGG will immediately fight above 168.

IKSRTFO wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote: Abel Sanchez said he can beat anyone up to 168lbs. That doesn't include anything above 168.

If you want to be pedantic, Abel Sanchez actually said that no man from 154lbs to 168lbs can go the distance with Golovkin. He also claimed that GGG will eventually move up to 175lbs. He also claimed that Gennady dropped Sergey Kovalev during sparring. He also claimed that GGG often batters world-rated cruiserweights during sparring. He also claimed that GGG would be willing to face Bernard Hopkins at 175lbs.

If you'd used the hyperlink in my previous post, you would have read the interview transcript of Golovkin's trainer making the 175lb claim.

If reading is not your thing, there’s a YouTube video of him making the same claims.

If you still believe that these claims are incorrect, perhaps you should air your concerns about the inaccuracy of Sanchez’s statements directly to Tom Loeffler.

Here’s his postal address:

Tom Loeffler
Managing Director
K2 PROMOTIONS
358 HAMPTON DRIVE
VENICE, CA 90291

Here’s the generic K2 email address: [email protected]

GGG has sparred with heavyweights but that doesn't mean he's willing to fight at heavy. Abel's claims have absolutely NOTHING to do with what weight GGG is willing to fight at. Floyd has sparred with and dominated full blow middleweights but that doesn't mean he's willing to get in the ring at that weight. Abel only what GGG did in sparring to bigger guys but never said that GGG will immediately fight above 168.

Read all of my previous posts in this thread. The blue text, when selected, opens hyperlinks to my sources (i.e. YouTube videos and articles detailing interview transcripts - as articulated directly by Team GGG).

If you are deeply offended by the words spoken by Abel Sanchez, Tom Loeffler and Gennady Golovkin himself, then I suggest you submit a formal complaint to K2 Promotions - I have already supplied you with their contact details.

You are trying to argue with a man that personally couldn't give a toss as to whether Golovkin ever competes at 175lbs, since all I've done is quote Team GGG's very own words. So it's their opinion that you're objecting to - not mine!

PsychoGamerTwo wrote:Gennady. I don't count these kids. Everybody talking about this Inoue kid, how he would KO Gonzalez. And i haven't even seen this slit eyed midget. Nor i intend to.

Are you Floyd Mayweather Sr. incognito? It reminds me of how he used to talk about Pacquiao.

I think Roman needs to win a rematch convincingly with his recent opponent before talking too serious about his pfp status imo. He looked like he had the hell beat out of him.

Fergus, take your meds and stop quoting 2-3 year old interviews.

For me, it's GGG. You'd never see GGG take the kind of beating that RG took the other night and walk out of the ring with both eyes swollen shut like that afterwards. To me, you can't really be the P4P #1 after getting beat up like that. Yes, i know RG jumped up in weight and took on the champ but still.

Roman is a hell of a fighter and i love to watch him but we've got a Middleweight destroyer right now that has 23 knockouts in a row and will soon be breaking all the records.

Head to head I would take 3G.

P4P #1 is not in play for anyone other than the winner of SOGgy v Krusher. 3G will have to step up in weight and comp for that honor.

Enlightened-One wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: If you want to be pedantic, Abel Sanchez actually said that no man from 154lbs to 168lbs can go the distance with Golovkin. He also claimed that GGG will eventually move up to 175lbs. He also claimed that Gennady dropped Sergey Kovalev during sparring. He also claimed that GGG often batters world-rated cruiserweights during sparring. He also claimed that GGG would be willing to face Bernard Hopkins at 175lbs.

If you'd used the hyperlink in my previous post, you would have read the interview transcript of Golovkin's trainer making the 175lb claim.

If reading is not your thing, there’s a YouTube video of him making the same claims.

If you still believe that these claims are incorrect, perhaps you should air your concerns about the inaccuracy of Sanchez’s statements directly to Tom Loeffler.

Here’s his postal address:

Tom Loeffler
Managing Director
K2 PROMOTIONS
358 HAMPTON DRIVE
VENICE, CA 90291

Here’s the generic K2 email address: [email protected]

GGG has sparred with heavyweights but that doesn't mean he's willing to fight at heavy. Abel's claims have absolutely NOTHING to do with what weight GGG is willing to fight at. Floyd has sparred with and dominated full blow middleweights but that doesn't mean he's willing to get in the ring at that weight. Abel only what GGG did in sparring to bigger guys but never said that GGG will immediately fight above 168.

Read all of my previous posts in this thread. The blue text, when selected, opens hyperlinks to my sources (i.e. YouTube videos and articles detailing interview transcripts - as articulated directly by Team GGG).

If you are deeply offended by the words spoken by Abel Sanchez, Tom Loeffler and Gennady Golovkin himself, then I suggest you submit a formal complaint to K2 Promotions - I have already supplied you with their contact details.

You are trying to argue with a man that personally couldn't give a toss as to whether Golovkin ever competes at 175lbs, since all I've done is quote Team GGG's very own words. So it's their opinion that you're objecting to - not mine!

Ok, then why don't Andre Ward fight at heavyweight like he says he wants to? I guess he has to beat Tyson Fury to be P4P #1 because he says he's willing to move up to heavyweight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDm_rSCqmKM

IKSRTFO wrote:Ok, then why don't Andre Ward fight at heavyweight like he says he wants to? I guess he has to beat Tyson Fury to be P4P #1 because he says he's willing to move up to heavyweight!

I merely expressed a personal opinion when I stated that I would like to see Gennady Golovkin face the likes of Andre Ward, Billy Joe Saunders, James DeGale and also Canelo Alvarez, which I feel would elevate his legacy above that of Roman Gonzalez, which was in the context of this discussion thread.

You then challenged me when you:
· Incorrectly claimed that there was a 20lb weight discrepancy between the fighters that I had listed
· Incorrectly claimed that Andre Ward could not possibly be considered a feasible opponent for Golovkin, simply because you believed that GGG couldn’t fight above 168lbs

I have comprehensively addressed both of your challenges and I am under no obligation to move the topic of discussions towards Andre Ward’s heavyweight division aspirations, because it doesn’t relate to either the topic of this thread or anything I have previously claimed.

If you want to discuss an unrelated matter, then I suggest that you create a separate thread.

Enlightened-One wrote: · Incorrectly claimed that there was a 20lb weight discrepancy between the fighters that I had listed

Yes, that was incorrect. 175-154=21, not 20.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: · Incorrectly claimed that there was a 20lb weight discrepancy between the fighters that I had listed

Yes, that was incorrect. 175-154=21, not 20.

In reality, Ward is only about 10 pounds bigger than Canelo. Canelo and Golovkin are approximately the same size.

jujigatame wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: · Incorrectly claimed that there was a 20lb weight discrepancy between the fighters that I had listed

Yes, that was incorrect. 175-154=21, not 20.

In reality, Ward is only about 10 pounds bigger than Canelo. Canelo and Golovkin are approximately the same size.

Then Ward is 15 pounds bigger. He said that it isn't easy to make 175 now.

boxing_rocks wrote:

jujigatame wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote: Yes, that was incorrect. 175-154=21, not 20.

In reality, Ward is only about 10 pounds bigger than Canelo. Canelo and Golovkin are approximately the same size.

Then Ward is 15 pounds bigger. He said that it isn't easy to make 175 now.

Yes, people acting like Ward is small or was a small 168lb or even a small 175lber. Guy fought at 170 in the Olympics 12 years ago. He's 6' Probably walks around 190.

littlepug wrote: Well your missing out on some cracking action down there then mate, besides its not even evident how small they are on TV as long as they are reasonably both in the same height range

I really don't fornicating get boxing fans at times...
"Why do the best never fight the best?"- Those fans going to tune into Chavez Vs Fujioka? Did they watch Yaegashi Vs Gonzalez or Yaegashi Vs Estrada?
"Why would I want to watch men the size of kids?"-Do you want to see a fight or two lazy, over-paid guys hold and maul each other?
"Boxing isn't like it used to be, it's all a business"-Yeah, well stop paying for the primadonas like Canelo and Ward and start making an effort to see the guys who put their balls on the line- most of the time the top fighters from the East and from Mexico are put on youtube within 24-48 hours of a fight.

We've had so many great fights in the las 10 (or so) years have been at 118 or lower, such as-
P.Porpramook Vs Yaegashi
Yaegashi Vs Tecuapetla
Takayama Vs Rodriguez Jr
Yaegashi Vs Mendoza
K.Porpramook Vs Eto
K.Porpramook Vs Hernandez I
Monshipour vs Sithchatchawal
Marquez Vs Concepcion I
MArquez Vs Viloria
Gonzalez Vs Yaegashi
Gonzalez Vs Estrada
Gonzalez Vs Cuadras
Kogawa Vs Yodmongkol
Kogawa Vs Otake (from this year!)
Mthalane Vs Nunez
Igarashi Vs Yaegashi
Segura Vs Marquez
Murnaka Vs Kogawa
Eto Vs Diale

And the list could go on and on and on

Ward's unofficial weight against Dawson was 176, and in one of his recent fights (maybe Barrera?) he was listed at 186. He was an average-sized SMW who is now an average-sized LHW.

Canelo is an utterly massive JMW who has put up unofficial weights between 171-174, similar to Golovkin.

So the Ward-Canelo gap is in the 10-15 pound range, probably a bit closer to 10.

No, Ward was a huge SMW.

Boxing Prospect wrote:

littlepug wrote: Well your missing out on some cracking action down there then mate, besides its not even evident how small they are on TV as long as they are reasonably both in the same height range

I really don't effing get boxing fans at times...
"Why do the best never fight the best?"- Those fans going to tune into Chavez Vs Fujioka? Did they watch Yaegashi Vs Gonzalez or Yaegashi Vs Estrada?
"Why would I want to watch men the size of kids?"-Do you want to see a fight or two lazy, over-paid guys hold and maul each other?
"Boxing isn't like it used to be, it's all a business"-Yeah, well stop paying for the primadonas like Canelo and Ward and start making an effort to see the guys who put their balls on the line- most of the time the top fighters from the East and from Mexico are put on youtube within 24-48 hours of a fight.

We've had so many great fights in the las 10 (or so) years have been at 115 or lower, such as-
P.Porpramook Vs Yaegashi
Yaegashi Vs Tecuapetla
Takayama Vs Rodriguez Jr
Yaegashi Vs Mendoza
K.Porpramook Vs Eto
K.Porpramook Vs Hernandez I
Monshipour vs Sithchatchawal
Marquez Vs Concepcion I
MArquez Vs Viloria
Gonzalez Vs Yaegashi
Gonzalez Vs Estrada
Gonzalez Vs Cuadras
Kogawa Vs Yodmongkol
Kogawa Vs Otake (from this year!)
Mthalane Vs Nunez
Igarashi Vs Yaegashi
Segura Vs Marquez
Murnaka Vs Kogawa
Eto Vs Diale

And the list could go on and on and on

well said

boxing_rocks wrote:No, Ward was a huge SMW.

176 on fight night is not a huge SMW by any stretch of the imagination. He fought at MW for the first couple years of his career, too.

If he tried to move back to SMW now he'd probably be huge for the division since he's added a good amount of weight in the last few years, but back when he was regularly fighting at SMW, he was not particularly big for the division.

Links to 176 lbs on fight night ?

boxing_rocks wrote:Links to 176 lbs on fight night ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_1b5MaPHgo
Skip to the 0:26 second mark.

jujigatame wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: · Incorrectly claimed that there was a 20lb weight discrepancy between the fighters that I had listed

Yes, that was incorrect. 175-154=21, not 20.

I have already addressed this... and I thought that even you possessed enough knowledge to realise the inaccuracy of your equation.

Canelo = 160lbs; Saunders = 160lbs; DeGale = 168lbs; Ward = possibly 172lbs (catchweight) or 175lbs max

crow wrote:

jbizzle20 wrote:For me it was Gonzalez even before this past weekend. Chocolatito is a special fighter and, despite taking some hard shots, he clearly beat Cuadras with superior skill and owned the ring.

The only clear fact from yesterday was Roman getting far more damaged than Cuadras, and in danger of being dropped in the last rds.

Gennady is the superior fighter because he's a better thinker in the ring.

He adjusts on the fly, and has a larger set of options than Gonzalez.

Roman was running out of ideas while doing his mini Tyson impersonation, neglecting the body work and head hunting at all costs.

It nearly backfired.

In boxing, there's almost no substitute for power and chin.

Gonzalez outscored Cuadras and outboxed him almost the whole fight. It was Cuadras who was trying to bail himself out with his power. Gonzalez needs a little more work on his defense, however. He did get a little overconfident in his power.