So, Canelo Vs GGG, who do you think wins and why?

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Re: So, Canelo Vs GGG, who do you think wins and why?

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boxing_rocks wrote:
IKSRTFO wrote: I doubt Canelo is that much more heavy handled than Lemieux if he even is.
Lemieux definitely has better one-punch power than Canelo. No surprise that Oscar isn't even talking about matching those two.
WOuld there even be anything to gain? Few fighters take on risks without rewards.
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Re: So, Canelo Vs GGG, who do you think wins and why?

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Enlightened-One wrote:Isn’t it a bit premature to discuss this, because we’re at least twelve months away from the earliest possible date that this fight can take place… and an awful lot can happen over that time, such as defeats, injuries, physical decline in one or both of the participants, delays due to contract issues etc?

Anyway, whilst GGG has appeared much more dominant that Canelo, the quality of opposition he has faced has been inferior (i.e. guys that used to compete in lower weight classes or have not been recognised as world class by ESPN, Ring, BoxRec etc.).

That’s not to say that Golovkin isn’t every bit as good as he appears to be, it’s just that I think that’s the real reason why Canelo has failed to dominate his opposition as effectively as GGG has.

So those people boldly proclaiming that this bout could be a mismatch of epic proportions, that Canelo’s health is at such a risk that a tragedy seems inevitable and other fúckíng ridiculous things like that, need to get a grip on reality, because this is going to be a competitive fight, whilst it lasts.

I also expect to see Golovkin attempt to employ some of his underused boxing skills, because he isn’t facing a man that is significantly smaller than him, as he’ll appreciate the fact that Canelo is heavier handed and much bigger than the likes of Brook and Monroe Jr.

A lot of people became hideously aggressive, by defiantly proclaiming Martin Murray as a “massive” middleweight (claiming that was the reason why he was so resilient), when the photos and videos of the Brit standing next to Golovkin suggested that they were similar sized. We all know that Canelo is about the same height and build as GGG… and the Mexican is almost certainly a much heavier-handed than Murray is.

So I expect Canelo to fare much better than Murray did, especially considering GGG was 32 when he fought the Brit, but he’ll be heading towards 36 by September 2017.

Therefore, I reckon that GGG will show a lot more respect to Canelo than he does with his other opponents. He’ll adopt a patient, defensively responsible strategy and will probably try to wear down his younger opponent. Simply put: he won’t be actively looking to score an early stoppage.

All that being said, if Canelo and GGG shared the ring tomorrow, I would place a bet on the Kazakh either scoring a late stoppage or gaining a 116-112 decision victory, where the scorecards fail to reflect the truly competitive nature of the contest.

If the fight is unanimously very close on all the neutrals scorecards, then there’s every chance that the hometown (Texas or Nevada) crowd could sway the judges to the point that they award the decision to the Mexican instead.

Like I said before though, twelve months is a long time in boxing and Canelo could either prove himself to be a revelation at his new weight… or he could fail to impress and appear to be vulnerable. If it’s the latter, then I expect Golden Boy to protect their cash cow by forcing Alvarez to remain at 154lbs instead. If it's the former, then my opinion on who’ll likely emerge victorious from this super-fight will probably change.
Just a nitpick - I'd agree that GGG and Canelo are a similar size, but they're not similar in height or build - GGG is listed as 1.5 inches taller, but in reality, the difference is probably nearer 3 inches, as there's no way Canelo is 5'9" - he looked slightly shorter than 5'8" Mayweather and clearly shorter than 5'8.5" Khan. Canelo is by far the stockier of the two and probably walks around at a higher weight and weighs slightly more on fight night - although that's hard to confirm, as Canelo hasn't been weighed on fight night for a long time. Khan says he was 187lb in the ring for their fight, but I suspect he pulled that number out of his arse. No arguments that Canelo is a bigger puncher than Murray. I don't see Canelo denting GGG's so far granite chin, but I could see him hurting him to the body.
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Re: So, Canelo Vs GGG, who do you think wins and why?

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Golovkin will box him and win quite convincingly...probably by decision.

I thought Alvarez won the Trout fight comfortably. Lara was 50-50... Think I scored it by 1 point to Lara but I didn't feel it was an outrageous decision.
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Ezzard wrote:Golovkin will box him and win quite convincingly...probably by decision.

I thought Alvarez won the Trout fight comfortably. Lara was 50-50... Think I scored it by 1 point to Lara but I didn't feel it was an outrageous decision.
The differing opinions for those fights are quite interesting. I had Canelo beating Trout by a single point, which came from the knockdown, but I can't see how anyone could have him a comfortable winner - he landed the harder punches, but Trout thoroughly outworked and outlanded him. I think the 115-112 scorecard is generous to Canelo, but the other two cards are a joke.
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Re: So, Canelo Vs GGG, who do you think wins and why?

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BitPlayer wrote:
boxing_rocks wrote:
IKSRTFO wrote: I doubt Canelo is that much more heavy handled than Lemieux if he even is.
Lemieux definitely has better one-punch power than Canelo. No surprise that Oscar isn't even talking about matching those two.
WOuld there even be anything to gain? Few fighters take on risks without rewards.

It would be better for his stock than fighting Liam Smith.
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Re: So, Canelo Vs GGG, who do you think wins and why?

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'Conelo' has the ability and the tools to be Golovkin's toughest test to date, but I don't think he has the belief.

Because of that, I think he'd get overwhelmed by Golovkin and end up losing by UD.
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Re: So, Canelo Vs GGG, who do you think wins and why?

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jezzamundo wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:We all know that Canelo is about the same height and build as GGG… and the Mexican is almost certainly much heavier-handed than Murray is.
Just a nitpick - I'd agree that GGG and Canelo are a similar size, but they're not similar in height or build - GGG is listed as 1.5 inches taller, but in reality, the difference is probably nearer 3 inches, as there's no way Canelo is 5'9" - he looked slightly shorter than 5'8" Mayweather and clearly shorter than 5'8.5" Khan. Canelo is by far the stockier of the two…
You could very well be right for all I know, but on paper, the official 1½ inch height discrepancy isn’t a great deal and their physiques aren’t drastically different either.

Here are a couple of photos that also helped formulate my opinion, taken about six years ago, when they both sparred each other:
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Re: So, Canelo Vs GGG, who do you think wins and why?

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Enlightened-One wrote:
jezzamundo wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:We all know that Canelo is about the same height and build as GGG… and the Mexican is almost certainly much heavier-handed than Murray is.
Just a nitpick - I'd agree that GGG and Canelo are a similar size, but they're not similar in height or build - GGG is listed as 1.5 inches taller, but in reality, the difference is probably nearer 3 inches, as there's no way Canelo is 5'9" - he looked slightly shorter than 5'8" Mayweather and clearly shorter than 5'8.5" Khan. Canelo is by far the stockier of the two…
You could very well be right for all I know, but on paper, the official 1½ inch height discrepancy isn’t a great deal and their physiques aren’t drastically different either.

Here are a couple of photos that also helped formulate my opinion, taken about six years ago, when they both sparred each other:
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Canelo's neck looks a lot thicker though there.
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Re: So, Canelo Vs GGG, who do you think wins and why?

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gilgamesh wrote:
JoeCorrao wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:I personally didn't think the Lara vs Canelo fight was controversial at all. Canelo won that fight clear as sh*t. He beat Cotto even more clearly than that. I personally did think Trout deserved the nod over him, but it was close so I wouldn't say it was a robbery.

The fact that one judge gave him a draw 114-114 against Floyd Mayweather when he lost every minute of every round in that fight is alarming.
See I thought he lost to Lara and Cotto but got the superstar decision...when he says he wants to fight GGG he is full of poo.
I just don't see how you could have Cotto beating him. The Punch Stats were about even in most rounds, and Canelo's punches were harder throughout. Harder punches wins when all else is even every time.

I thought it was much closer to a shutout for Canelo than a decision for Cotto.
I had Cotto 7-5...Cotto landed more...Canello was out boxed but landed "harder" punches...
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Re: So, Canelo Vs GGG, who do you think wins and why?

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JoeCorrao wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:
JoeCorrao wrote:
See I thought he lost to Lara and Cotto but got the superstar decision...when he says he wants to fight GGG he is full of poo.
I just don't see how you could have Cotto beating him. The Punch Stats were about even in most rounds, and Canelo's punches were harder throughout. Harder punches wins when all else is even every time.

I thought it was much closer to a shutout for Canelo than a decision for Cotto.
I had Cotto 7-5...Cotto landed more...Canello was out boxed but landed "harder" punches...
Canelo landed more punches as well as landing harder punches.

Canelo landed 155, Cotto landed 129.

He landed about 40 more power punches as well.
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