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Kalan wrote:Hopkins was 39-years old -- and De La Hoya faked his way out of the fight when Hopkins started to chase him out of the ring and punish him... a fraud ending.

that is outright ... nonsense.

Kalan wrote:The only fights in a row were Sturm and Hopkins... The Sturm decision was a flat out robbery -- and no rematch was offered... Hopkins was 39-years old -- and De La Hoya faked his way out of the fight when Hopkins started to chase him out of the ring and punish him... a fraud ending.

I agree with you on that fraud ending done by the faking Oscar De La Hoya. I am glad I was not alone in that sentiment. In my view, DLH was a good fighter. A good businessman. A boxing superstar that fought the very best. A boxing hall of famer. But that doesn't translates or transfers to all time great status. There are plenty of great boxers that in my view, don't make the top 100 greatest boxers ever. And The Golden Boy is not worthy of top 100 ATG consideration.

golden oldie wrote:Owes boxing sweet ferk all, deserves every penny it has given him. Ducked NO ONE, was involved in some of the biggest fights in recent years, and through his looks and marketability made some parasitical scum very wealthy along the way.

I agree with that!

elmersalsa wrote:I agree with you on that fraud ending done by the faking Oscar De La Hoya. I am glad I was not alone in that sentiment. In my view, DLH was a good fighter ... boxing superstar that fought the very best. A boxing hall of famer. But that doesn't translates or transfers to all time great status ... And The Golden Boy is not worthy of top 100 ATG consideration.

i am very glad you found company.

so the "good fighter", "boxing superstar"
and "hall of famer" who "fought the very
best" took the opportunity of a liver shot,
which is widely regarded among the most
painful things that can happen to athletes,
to create a "fraud ending".

sure.

on the other hand ATG 100 status might
be debatable, though it is not for me. his
losses came partly because he was willing
to take substantial career risk. be that his
move up to hopkins or his weight draining
down to pac. his decision losses to floyd
and shane were very close. he was among
the very few people who came close to really
beating floyd, who is discussed among the
p4p ATG5. but as i said before, i see how
that can be a reasonable debate, while
the liver shot is outright nonsense which
no real boxing fan should come up with.

gilgamesh wrote:

man wrote:to me an all time great. just loved the
way he fought and how he managed his
career and he came closest to beating a
prime floyd.

i feel he is usually under appreciated by
the board in general.

to me his record has only one dirty spot:
the last three rounds against tito. aside
of that: great, great fighter.

I don't know where people get this sh*t from. Floyd beat Oscar as clearly as he beat guys like Robert Guerrero.

Jose Luis Castillo DID beat Floyd, the judges just f*cked him.
Marcos Maidana beat Floyd in my opinion, but it was close so I wouldn't call it a robbery.
Shane Mosley almost knocked Floyd out

I had Floyd vs Oscar scored 117-111 for Floyd. Where people get this idea that it was one of Floyd's closest fights I don't understand...Floyd had many a fight that ended with scores of 117-111 in his favor.

Only with Castillo was robbery.
With Oscar and Maidana was close fight but decisions are ok.

I have 115:113 Floyd with Oscar.

People sometimes write with emotions rather than logic and then you are prejudiced and so some write about De La Hoya.
He was great fighter sure.

gilgamesh wrote:

Kalan wrote:
You're full of crap clear up to your eyeballs.. Put your brain in gear before you start reading.. Both Mosley and Trinidad tried very hard to get red-hot rematches with De La Hoya... They wanted to beat him again because some Oscar fans questioned their 1st victories over him -- and they were the biggest money fights they could possibly get anyway.. Naturally they took other opportunities when Oscar ducked and flat out refused to fight them.. Winky Wright tried very hard to get a unification fight with Oscar when they were both 154-pound champions... Eventually Winky got one with Mosley -- who DID rematch him.

Before Mosley ever fought Winky Wright, he had gotten his rematch with Oscar that he wanted, and he lost again. I'm not that high on Oscar these days with the way he's behaving as Canelo's promoter, but to pretend he ducked anybody in his time as a fighter is absurd. You'd have a hard time naming any fighter over the last 25 years who faced stiff competition as routinely as Oscar did.

Mosley, Felix Sturm, Bernard Hopkins...all right in a row at one point. Felix Sturm was the soft touch opponent in that mix.

You don't spend your career as a ducker fighting Whitaker, Quartey, Mayweather, Pacquiao, and Hopkins.

Kalan wrote:They do... Both Mosley and Trinidad wanted IMMEDIATE rematches with De La Hoya... Oscar turned down all reasonable offers for the red-hot rematches, even though he lost both fights... It wasn't until Mosley had a 3-fight winless streak going that Oscar thought he was vulnerable...That was years later... He never did rematch Tito, and offers galore were were given him for that fight over the years... He also turned down all over offers to unify 154 with Winky Wright and fought the washed up Campas instead... I always thought DLH was way overrated anyway, but facts are facts... He was a ducker and nobody can deny it.

Yes...Ray Robinson was another who carefully selected his opponents to avoid defeat.. although SRR was a much better boxer than DLH.. When Ralph Jones beat SRR he turned down the rematch.. When Joey Maxim beat SRR, he turned down the rematch, retired for 2 years, and never fought LHW again.

Mosley was a cheat and should've been stripped of the second victory plus suspended. I think Trinidad wanted to go straight to MW after the DLH fight to pursue Hopkins. The losses to Pacquiao and Mayweather were when DLH was way past his prime.

IKSRTFO wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Kalan wrote:
You're full of crap clear up to your eyeballs.. Put your brain in gear before you start reading.. Both Mosley and Trinidad tried very hard to get red-hot rematches with De La Hoya... They wanted to beat him again because some Oscar fans questioned their 1st victories over him -- and they were the biggest money fights they could possibly get anyway.. Naturally they took other opportunities when Oscar ducked and flat out refused to fight them.. Winky Wright tried very hard to get a unification fight with Oscar when they were both 154-pound champions... Eventually Winky got one with Mosley -- who DID rematch him.

Before Mosley ever fought Winky Wright, he had gotten his rematch with Oscar that he wanted, and he lost again. I'm not that high on Oscar these days with the way he's behaving as Canelo's promoter, but to pretend he ducked anybody in his time as a fighter is absurd. You'd have a hard time naming any fighter over the last 25 years who faced stiff competition as routinely as Oscar did.

Mosley, Felix Sturm, Bernard Hopkins...all right in a row at one point. Felix Sturm was the soft touch opponent in that mix.

You don't spend your career as a ducker fighting Whitaker, Quartey, Mayweather, Pacquiao, and Hopkins.

This.

You're claiming Mosley beat Oscar twice so you're an idiot... Everyone knows Mosley won the 1st fight and the rematch was a UNANIMOUS DECISION in Mosley's favor.. That's why Oscar waited over 3 years, until Mosley had a 3-fight winless streak going to give him the rematch.. I know some fishnet wearers think Oscar won it..Oscar was well ahead early on all cards in Mosley II.. But from the 5th round on, Mosley turned up the heat and chased Oscar all over the ring like Trinidad did, and pulled it out unanimously.. Tito also got a little behind---but pulled out the last 3 rounds to seal the deal while Oscar ran his scaredy cat ass off... That's why Oscar refused the rematch.. He knew Tito would run him down in the 2nd fight.

I know Oscar beat Sweet Pea Whitaker, but Pernell was a powderpuff puncher. Even Mayweather hit harder.. Mosley, Trinidad, Hopkins, and Pacquiao could all punch much better, and Oscar was a little fearful of them... That's why he dove for the canvas vs Hopkins and faked it. He didn't want to get hurt.

golden oldie wrote:

Kalan wrote:

golden oldie wrote:
So basically you are accusing DLH of cowardice because being the biggest cash cow in the game at the time, he stopped two parasites from earning their 2nd biggest paydays of their careers immediately after he granted them the 1st ones.

You are one weirdo.

You're a f%*#g nutcase... Parasites??? ... The biggest paydays De La Hoya ever received up to that point were fighting Mosley and Trinidad... The red-hot rematches would have been much bigger for all 3 fighters... They're all in the boxing business to make money... One hand washes the other

Don't be so fukkin stupid. DeLaHoya is still HBO's biggest PPV seller, with nearly a billion dollars in sales. Mayweather NEVER earned as much for 2 fights as he did for the Oscar fight, beforehand. The same goes for Hopkins. So now you have got they guy down as a coward, plus you are in denial that the guy was boxing's cash cow of his era.

How is the weather on fantasy island?

I don't know dwarf. You haven't written. I always said Oscar was a good marketeer.. He's a good BS slinger like Donald Trump and talked better fights than he fought.. He also passed for white so a lot of folks who are race conscious were fans of his.. He's the only American they could follow.. He grew up speaking Spanish and English and that helped him assimilate.. But that doesn't translate into being an aggressive fighter who fought all comers.. Whenever he lost -- that guy went on his list of guys not to fight... He did fight Mosley 3 years later, after the rematch cooled off---and only after Shane lost twice to Vernon Forrest and fought a bad fight with Raul Marquez.. That's the only rematch he granted and he didn't convert.

Keko wrote:Only with Castillo was robbery.
With Oscar and Maidana was close fight but decisions are ok.

I have 115:113 Floyd with Oscar.

that is how i see it. floyd fans take
every claim that a fight was close
as stating that floyd lost. no, floyd
won against oscar, but it was close.

as was to me manny. decision is ok,
but it wasn't a landslide. people give
too much credit to floyd, if he makes
opponents fight his fight. and while
this is indeed a factor, it is not the
same as landing punches.

I had Floyd winning 118-110 against De La Hoya... The only round Oscar really won was the 2nd, but I was kind... He was out-scored by 86 punches and there weren't very many punches thrown.. It was a very slow and uneventful fight... Oscar didn't do anything.

man wrote:

Keko wrote:Only with Castillo was robbery.
With Oscar and Maidana was close fight but decisions are ok.

I have 115:113 Floyd with Oscar.

that is how i see it. floyd fans take
every claim that a fight was close
as stating that floyd lost. no, floyd
won against oscar, but it was close.

as was to me manny. decision is ok,
but it wasn't a landslide. people give
too much credit to floyd, if he makes
opponents fight his fight. and while
this is indeed a factor, it is not the
same as landing punches.

I think this is a realistic and most of it is also seen scores.