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Yeah I know, deep down. It's annoying though. That might aswell just not have any deadlines and save the pretense.

The average purse split the following opponents received when they fought Golovkin was 43%: Lemieux, Brook, Geale, Rubio, Stevens and Macklin.

The majority of forum users “mysteriously” believed that Daniel Jacobs was only worth 25%... and if he didn’t accept that amount, then that was tantamount to him “ducking”.

I was aggressively lambasted for having the audacity to argue that Jacobs was “technically” the best opponent GGG has ever faced and deserved to earn much more than the 25% that K2 were willing to offer him, based on Loeffler requesting the purse bid from the WBA, which would have resulted in Jacobs potentially only being paid 25%.

Due to the fact that K2 was clearly unwilling to break GGG’s exclusive contract with HBO if Haymon outbid them for the purse bid, Loeffler obviously relented by giving Jacobs 41% of the $4.25m total purse (since he’s being paid $1.75m).

Jacobs originally requested 40% and now it seems he’s being paid 41%. And Team GGG are the only ones to blame for the delay in this bout, since Jacobs only requested 40% in the first place.

Does anyone wish to continue to defend their claims they argued against me in this thread, now that we're in possession of all the facts, or will they concede I was in the right all along?

I hate to say I told you so, but I really did!

crusader wrote:Do we know what Jacobs has been offered in negotiations?

The 25 percent is just what the WBA has set IF it goes to a bid; shake your head at the WBA first, Juany.

crusader wrote:Which other GGG fights went to purse-bid with GGG as champion? What were the splits for those and did GGG's side agree to a more balanced split in a way they haven't for Jacobs?

The fights that have been given as evidence that 25 percent would be an unfair split to Jacobs involved bouts that were decided without a bid, which gets back to the question of whether anyone here actually knows what Jacobs has been offered.GGG's side could be willing to pay Jacobs more than the latter would get with 25 percent, but perhaps Danny is after a prohibitive amount like $3m.

crusader wrote:

crusader wrote:Do we know what Jacobs has been offered in negotiations?

The 25 percent is just what the WBA has set IF it goes to a bid; shake your head at the WBA first, Juany.

crusader wrote:Which other GGG fights went to purse-bid with GGG as champion? What were the splits for those and did GGG's side agree to a more balanced split in a way they haven't for Jacobs?

The fights that have been given as evidence that 25 percent would be an unfair split to Jacobs involved bouts that were decided without a bid, which gets back to the question of whether anyone here actually knows what Jacobs has been offered.GGG's side could be willing to pay Jacobs more than the latter would get with 25 percent, but perhaps Danny is after a prohibitive amount like $3m.

Yes, EO keeps proving that he is an idiot. 25% was just for the purse bid in order to discourage Haymon to try winning it and pushing the fight off HBO.

crusader wrote:

crusader wrote:Do we know what Jacobs has been offered in negotiations?

The 25 percent is just what the WBA has set IF it goes to a bid; shake your head at the WBA first, Juany.

crusader wrote:Which other GGG fights went to purse-bid with GGG as champion? What were the splits for those and did GGG's side agree to a more balanced split in a way they haven't for Jacobs?

The fights that have been given as evidence that 25 percent would be an unfair split to Jacobs involved bouts that were decided without a bid, which gets back to the question of whether anyone here actually knows what Jacobs has been offered.GGG's side could be willing to pay Jacobs more than the latter would get with 25 percent, but perhaps Danny is after a prohibitive amount like $3m.

"I hate to say I told you so.."

Then why bring up an old thread to say "I told you so"? And why have a history of posts with "I told you so" in them? It hints at the notion that telling people so is the only reason why you post.

Blodhemn wrote:"I hate to say I told you so.."

Then why bring up an old thread to say "I told you so"? And why have a history of posts with "I told you so" in them? It hints at the notion that telling people so is the only reason why you post.

Lol, he's never even right when he does it. Dude is so retarded he turns someone else's correction into his original point. If he was a new character on the big bang theory they would call him the nerd.

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boxing_rocks wrote:Yes, EO keeps proving that he is an idiot. 25% was just for the purse bid in order to discourage Haymon to try winning it and pushing the fight off HBO.

Tom Loeffler requested the purse bid before the contract negotiation deadline had been reached.

And when the Haymon-managed Jacob’s called K2’s bluff, by proceeding with the WBA’s purse bid process anyway… it was actually Tom Loeffler who backtracked by asking the WBA for a contract negotiation extension instead, because K2 were fearful of being outbid by one of Haymon’s promoters who would then take the fight away from HBO.

We know for certain that Jacobs lobbied the WBA for 40% from the winning purse bid total, but was denied, which meant that K2 were entirely responsible for the delay in the fight, since they could have paid him that percentage from day one.

And you know what? You actually know that I’m correct about this since we have already discussed this at length, because the facts are undeniable!

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Yes, EO keeps proving that he is an idiot. 25% was just for the purse bid in order to discourage Haymon to try winning it and pushing the fight off HBO.

Tom Loeffler requested the purse bid before the contract negotiation deadline had been reached.

And when the Haymon-managed Jacob’s called K2’s bluff, by proceeding with the WBA’s purse bid process anyway… it was actually Tom Loeffler who backtracked by asking the WBA for a contract negotiation extension instead, because K2 were fearful of being outbid by one of Haymon’s promoters who would then take the fight away from HBO.

We know for certain that Jacobs lobbied the WBA for 40% from the winning purse bid total, but was denied, which meant that K2 were entirely responsible for the delay in the fight, since they could have paid him that percentage from day one.

And you know what? You actually know that I’m correct about this since we have already discussed this at length, because the facts are undeniable!

You are a f*cking hater, so there is no point to respond to your posts replacing logic with hate.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Yes, EO keeps proving that he is an idiot. 25% was just for the purse bid in order to discourage Haymon to try winning it and pushing the fight off HBO.

Tom Loeffler requested the purse bid before the contract negotiation deadline had been reached.

And when the Haymon-managed Jacob’s called K2’s bluff, by proceeding with the WBA’s purse bid process anyway… it was actually Tom Loeffler who backtracked by asking the WBA for a contract negotiation extension instead, because K2 were fearful of being outbid by one of Haymon’s promoters who would then take the fight away from HBO.

We know for certain that Jacobs lobbied the WBA for 40% from the winning purse bid total, but was denied, which meant that K2 were entirely responsible for the delay in the fight, since they could have paid him that percentage from day one.

And you know what? You actually know that I’m correct about this since we have already discussed this at length, because the facts are undeniable!

You are a f*cking hater, so there is no point to respond to your posts replacing logic with hate.

Everything I've said is factually correct though. we knew about Jacobs' 40% purse requirements very early, but K2 procrastinated because they initially wanted to pay him less...

Why would Loeffler ask for the purse bid, Team Jacobs reluctantly agreed to proceed with the purse bid anyway (despite officially asking for 40%), with K2 then trying to negotiate terms instead of going ahead with the purse bid that would have given GGG 75%?

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Tom Loeffler requested the purse bid before the contract negotiation deadline had been reached.

And when the Haymon-managed Jacob’s called K2’s bluff, by proceeding with the WBA’s purse bid process anyway… it was actually Tom Loeffler who backtracked by asking the WBA for a contract negotiation extension instead, because K2 were fearful of being outbid by one of Haymon’s promoters who would then take the fight away from HBO.

We know for certain that Jacobs lobbied the WBA for 40% from the winning purse bid total, but was denied, which meant that K2 were entirely responsible for the delay in the fight, since they could have paid him that percentage from day one.

And you know what? You actually know that I’m correct about this since we have already discussed this at length, because the facts are undeniable!

You are a f*cking hater, so there is no point to respond to your posts replacing logic with hate.

Everything I've said is factually correct though. we knew about Jacobs' 40% purse requirements very early, but K2 procrastinated because they initially wanted to pay him less...

No, moron, they were offering him that percentage right away.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
You are a f*cking hater, so there is no point to respond to your posts replacing logic with hate.

Everything I've said is factually correct though. we knew about Jacobs' 40% purse requirements very early, but K2 procrastinated because they initially wanted to pay him less...

No, moron, they were offering him that percentage right away.

Prove it! You can't lie your way out of this one.

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Everything I've said is factually correct though. we knew about Jacobs' 40% purse requirements very early, but K2 procrastinated because they initially wanted to pay him less...

No, moron, they were offering him that percentage right away.

Prove it! You can't lie your way out of this one.

Prove the opposite.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
No, moron, they were offering him that percentage right away.

Prove it! You can't lie your way out of this one.

Prove the opposite.

I've already done that by quoting the facts announced from the proverbial horse's mouth, coupled with detailing the timeline of events.

If you allege that a "moron" should know about Loeffler's 40% day one offer to Jacobs, then it'll be easy for a superior being like your good self to prove it?

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Prove it! You can't lie your way out of this one.

Prove the opposite.

I've already done that by quoting the facts announced from the proverbial horse's mouth, coupled with detailing the timeline of events.

If you allege that a "moron" should know about Loeffler's 40% day one offer to Jacobs, then it'll be easy for a superior being like your good self to prove it?

You didn't quote anything proving that Loefler wasn't offering Jacobs a percentage much higher than 25, because there is no evidence of that being not true.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
Prove the opposite.

I've already done that by quoting the facts announced from the proverbial horse's mouth, coupled with detailing the timeline of events.

If you allege that a "moron" should know about Loeffler's 40% day one offer to Jacobs, then it'll be easy for a superior being like your good self to prove it?

You didn't quote anything proving that Loefler wasn't offering Jacobs a percentage much higher than 25, because there is no evidence of that being not true.

In other words, you told a blatant lie, since you can't substantiate your original "day one 40% offer" claim...

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: I've already done that by quoting the facts announced from the proverbial horse's mouth, coupled with detailing the timeline of events.

If you allege that a "moron" should know about Loeffler's 40% day one offer to Jacobs, then it'll be easy for a superior being like your good self to prove it?

You didn't quote anything proving that Loefler wasn't offering Jacobs a percentage much higher than 25, because there is no evidence of that being not true.

In other words, you told a blatant lie, since you can't substantiate your original "day one 40% offer" claim...

You started with a lie that "K2 were entirely responsible for the delay" having no proof of K2 not offering Jacobs high enough percentage.

I don't believe either of you are going to convince the other of anything...

punchoutsb wrote:I don't believe either of you are going to convince the other of anything...

Boxing rocks wins, enlightened one dq'd himself for extreme femininity by pulling up an old thread on the negotiations of a fight actually taking place. Another L for the Charlie z of boxrec.

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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:enlightened one dq'd himself for extreme femininity.

this makes a perfect generic statement irrespective of the particulars of any given argument, if boxrec arguments got stored on a database 'enlightened one DQ loss for showing a massive vagina' would be as common as an eric Crumble KO loss

I think we (boxing fans) need to stop defending the purse split system.
It's not fair, and causes more trouble than it helps.

It's just an offshoot of capitalism, which somehow is supposed to be "common sense",
because some people think humans are "naturally capitalistic".

Boxing needs an overhaul.
Trying to blame fighters for accepting purses is like blaming a poor person for accepting an abusive wage.

If splits were standardized, based on percentages, the only reason not to fight would be fear.

I'm in an "industry" of standardized wages. No one complains.
It's these corporate idiots who normalized paying two people different wages for the same work.

Counter-puncher wrote:]

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:enlightened one dq'd himself for extreme femininity.

this makes a perfect generic statement irrespective of the particulars of any given argument, if boxrec arguments got stored on a database 'enlightened one DQ loss for showing a massive vagina' would be as common as an eric Crumble KO loss

definite chink in the armour. He has a glass twat.

This "old" thread was about the Golovkin-Jacobs' purse split, with the actual figures only officially confirmed two or three days ago, hence the reason why it was resurrected.

That being said, it's more fun for you guys to resort to insults than to discuss the sport itself.