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clopixolacuphase wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:
I'm not going to watch this, "an example where kids are looking at" who knocks a schoolteacher out in front of an audiance is not a good example.

Ok I'm going to bite.

What are you on about, mate?

Everybody knows that bum since he fought Wilder. He used to be a semi amateur at the time and might have improved a lot ever since, but he's still that schoolteacher.

asdfjkl wrote:

clopixolacuphase wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:
I'm not going to watch this, "an example where kids are looking at" who knocks a schoolteacher out in front of an audiance is not a good example.

Ok I'm going to bite.

What are you on about, mate?

Everybody knows that bum since he fought Wilder. He used to be a semi amateur at the time and might have improved a lot ever since, but he's still that schoolteacher.

Chris Aerola beat Molina and he lay down in rd 1

This fight is a joke fight

Grailer wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

clopixolacuphase wrote: Ok I'm going to bite.

What are you on about, mate?

Everybody knows that bum since he fought Wilder. He used to be a semi amateur at the time and might have improved a lot ever since, but he's still that schoolteacher.

Chris Aerola beat Molina and he lay down in rd 1

This fight is a joke fight

I must say, since then Chris Arreola massively declined and Molina became a lot better boxer ever since, but still, you're right, this is a joke fight, especially since Ortiz for example is availeble.

littlepug wrote:

the_doctor wrote:

littlepug wrote:are any real boxing fans actually gonna pay for this ?

What do you class as a "real" boxing fan?

The hard core/purist type in fact users of these forums.... ahem think I've answered my own question

The "real boxing fan" is a person (male, of course) who prefer watching boxing match for HW title than spending a night with a person (female, of course) beautiful like Monica Belluci.

ValMar wrote:

T w_savage wrote:

ValMar wrote:
It would be close (x3)........

That's my feeling so rather than some surprise missmatch it's very much business as usual. Few world champions these days take risks unless it's a unification fight or they are some how forced into it.

Anyone who advocates AJ taking huge unnecessary risks with massive fights in the pipe line vs wlad , Haye etc is totally bonkers imo.

Could be a huge 20 million plus fight for you in 4 months but let's risk it all for a few £££ in Dec just to please some hardcore fans

From what I can make out the target audience for AJ is a cross over, very much causal boxing audience and a lot of woman.. They won't care who he fights, most just want to see a ko.

It's just the way it is..

This is businessman' point of view, but I'm not a businessman, I'm boxing fan, and I would like to see so many competitive matches.

Unfortunately the die hard fans are outnumbered by the casuals. And as I'm sure you know, the casual market is where the money is! You my good friend, in the grand scheme of things, do not matter.

Rob3_142 wrote:

ValMar wrote:

T w_savage wrote: That's my feeling so rather than some surprise missmatch it's very much business as usual. Few world champions these days take risks unless it's a unification fight or they are some how forced into it.

Anyone who advocates AJ taking huge unnecessary risks with massive fights in the pipe line vs wlad , Haye etc is totally bonkers imo.

Could be a huge 20 million plus fight for you in 4 months but let's risk it all for a few £££ in Dec just to please some hardcore fans

From what I can make out the target audience for AJ is a cross over, very much causal boxing audience and a lot of woman.. They won't care who he fights, most just want to see a ko.

It's just the way it is..

This is businessman' point of view, but I'm not a businessman, I'm boxing fan, and I would like to see so many competitive matches.

Unfortunately the die hard fans are outnumbered by the casuals. And as I'm sure you know, the casual market is where the money is! You my good friend, in the grand scheme of things, do not matter.

You are right, unfortunately.

Anyone heard anything about Sky supposedly knocking this back as it's not PPV worthy? I saw something on twitter earlier, I know twitter isn't a reliable source but it's quite believable to be honest.

I don't see how they can sell this fight.. I know know Joshua's last three opponents haven't been amazing but the Whyte scrap was sold by Dillian being Dillian and the amateur rivalry. Martin was an unbeaten world champion and Breazeale was an unbeaten American. Molina though, stopped a few times, not a big talker, never won a world title, no credible opponents to his name..

Please tell me how they can sell this

DannyMCR wrote:Anyone heard anything about Sky supposedly knocking this back as it's not PPV worthy? I saw something on twitter earlier, I know twitter isn't a reliable source but it's quite believable to be honest.

I don't see how they can sell this fight.. I know know Joshua's last three opponents haven't been amazing but the Whyte scrap was sold by Dillian being Dillian and the amateur rivalry. Martin was an unbeaten world champion and Breazeale was an unbeaten American. Molina though, stopped a few times, not a big talker, never won a world title, no credible opponents to his name..

Please tell me how they can sell this

Casual Fans love Joshua , they pay to see his muscles and are happy to watch him sparkout yet another club fighter

DannyMCR wrote:Anyone heard anything about Sky supposedly knocking this back as it's not PPV worthy? I saw something on twitter earlier, I know twitter isn't a reliable source but it's quite believable to be honest.

I don't see how they can sell this fight.. I know know Joshua's last three opponents haven't been amazing but the Whyte scrap was sold by Dillian being Dillian and the amateur rivalry. Martin was an unbeaten world champion and Breazeale was an unbeaten American. Molina though, stopped a few times, not a big talker, never won a world title, no credible opponents to his name..

Please tell me how they can sell this

Maybe. Thing is, if they can't sell this one, what do they do? There's seemingly no decent names about. Does Joshua just cancel the December date and focus on next year?

I think the general public would pay to watch Joshua fight me to be honest. He is very popular. It's the US tv networks that are more likely to knock an opponent back ( as they are rumoured to have done with Price )

Sky'll find some way to sell this [growl, growl] "Molina has taken time off his work for the first time ever! And he has never prepared like this before! He says 'I'm taking the title back to its rightful home - the USA'! 'I refuse to leave without the title' he says, and he's 100% confident! He hasn't come to lie down and says he has seen some BIG weaknesses in Joshua's game! What do you think Carl!?"

"It reminds me of when I fought George Groves.... etc etc"

Possibly the worst fight Joshua (or any Heavy in the top 25) could have made. Molina is terrible and brings absolutely nothing. Absolute crap.

Almost all of Joshua's previous opponents are worse than Molina and it surprises me that people have only become outraged now than for previous fights.

From an Eddie Hearn perspective, Molina is a great opponent for AJ, because the Brit's unbeaten record is almost certainly safe from harm and the journeyman Molina will only command a trivial payday.

Enlightened-One wrote:Almost all of Joshua's previous opponents are worse than Molina and it surprises me that people have only become outraged now than for previous fights.

From an Eddie Hearn perspective, Molina is a great opponent for AJ, because the Brit's unbeaten record is almost certainly safe from harm and the journeyman Molina will only command a trivial payday.

That is true. We forget Joshua is only 17-0 so hes still a newbie
in the HW ranks even tho Hearns practically bought him the
IBF belt that others deserved to fight for ( money talks tho )

At best Molina offers Joshua a few rounds of sparring sesson
where casuals will pay to see. Molina actually has a punchers
chance ...

I mean lets be honest if Molina won IBF how does he defend it

I will repeat : This match is pure garbage. There is only one positive consequence - Molina will get "the big money". Lucky dude.

Enlightened-One wrote:Almost all of Joshua's previous opponents are worse than Molina and it surprises me that people have only become outraged now than for previous fights.

From an Eddie Hearn perspective, Molina is a great opponent for AJ, because the Brit's unbeaten record is almost certainly safe from harm and the journeyman Molina will only command a trivial payday.

The last 3 opponents have been a bit guff butere was a degree of criticism for each (particularly for them being ppv)

But he's been "on the journey", "learning on the job" etc etc

There was no prospect of him taking a big opponent in his last 3 fights.

This time we were told the Klitschko fight was a done deal and they were 100% committed to delivering that.

Then we get Molina.

I suspect that's where the difference is for the majority of fans

As soon as Tyson Fury vacated the WBA super, WBO AND IBO title the whole thing goes titwank.

Parker fights Ruiz and likely beats Ruiz and will have two shit defences against non top 25 opponents

Wilder will have two further defences against crap opposition not in the top 25

Joshua will have two further defences against non top 20 opposition.

Lucas Browne will fight and win the vacant title and defend against against a non top 50 opponent.

Wlad will fight for the vacant IBO title and probably fight the best opponents and try to unify.

Lucas will lose as soon as he fights a top 25 opponent, probably Parker, Parker will lose to Joshua. Wilder will eventually lose the WBC to Povetkin who will keep the WBC belt free of Joshua (now with 3 belts) and who will fight Wlad.

Hello 2019.

Grailer wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:Almost all of Joshua's previous opponents are worse than Molina and it surprises me that people have only become outraged now than for previous fights.

From an Eddie Hearn perspective, Molina is a great opponent for AJ, because the Brit's unbeaten record is almost certainly safe from harm and the journeyman Molina will only command a trivial payday.

That is true. We forget Joshua is only 17-0 so hes still a newbie
in the HW ranks even tho Hearns practically bought him the
IBF belt that others deserved to fight for ( money talks tho )

At best Molina offers Joshua a few rounds of sparring sesson
where casuals will pay to see. Molina actually has a punchers
chance ...

I mean lets be honest if Molina won IBF how does he defend it

Kugan Cassius (from iFL TV) challenged Eddie Hearn for his penchant of promising elite-level opponents, but usually delivers journeymen. And he admitted to merely trying to excite the fans.

The thing is.. Bonte, Klitschko and even Hearn himself openly admit that the December 10th fight date was never a realistic proposition anyway, because a bout of that magnitude needs a lot of time to market, hence the fans were fed lies and half truths to help promote Joshua's name.

There is no defense for defending a title against Molina.

I guess due to his age and experience, Molina is an ok stay busy fight. I agree with most here though, that Molina doesn't pose much of a challenge. He managed to make it 8 or 9 rounds with Wilder, but should have been done in the 4th or 5th when he turned his back on Wilder after getting hurt. I would rather see Joshua fight someone than not at all. One upside for him is that it is a chance to one-up Wilder since Molina is a common opponent.

Let me try to explain importance of Joshua as a new boxing super-star. I have 5-6 colleagues who could be considered as casual fans. They watch mainly HW matches, and all of them agree that Klitschko (or Klitschkos) is/are too great champions....But (for my colleagues) Wlad (as Vitali was) has too boring style...Is too intelligent, and too white (of course, nothing to do with racism, I live in Balkan, all people around me are white and Slavic speaking). So, Anthony Joshua is a perfect HW champion type, with his muscles, height and reach, at least for my friends (part time fans).
I don't want to be misunderstood, and don't speak/write about Joshua's intelligence.

ValMar wrote:

littlepug wrote:

the_doctor wrote: What do you class as a "real" boxing fan?

The hard core/purist type in fact users of these forums.... ahem think I've answered my own question

The "real boxing fan" is a person (male, of course) who prefer watching boxing match for HW title than spending a night with a person (female, of course) beautiful like Monica Belluci.

I guess I'm not a real boxing fan...

ValMar wrote:Let me try to explain importance of Joshua as a new boxing super-star. I have 5-6 colleagues who could be considered as casual fans. They watch mainly HW matches, and all of them agree that Klitschko (or Klitschkos) is/are too great champions....But (for my colleagues) Wlad (as Vitali was) has too boring style...Is too intelligent, and too white (of course, nothing to do with racism, I live in Balkan, all people around me are white and Slavic speaking). So, Anthony Joshua is a perfect HW champion type, with his muscles, height and reach, at least for my friends (part time fans).
I don't want to be misunderstood, and don't speak/write about Joshua's intelligence.

So, what you are saying is that Joshua would be a very popular champion in your office? Casual fans come and go. No big deal.

Badhusker wrote:

ValMar wrote:Let me try to explain importance of Joshua as a new boxing super-star. I have 5-6 colleagues who could be considered as casual fans. They watch mainly HW matches, and all of them agree that Klitschko (or Klitschkos) is/are too great champions....But (for my colleagues) Wlad (as Vitali was) has too boring style...Is too intelligent, and too white (of course, nothing to do with racism, I live in Balkan, all people around me are white and Slavic speaking). So, Anthony Joshua is a perfect HW champion type, with his muscles, height and reach, at least for my friends (part time fans).
I don't want to be misunderstood, and don't speak/write about Joshua's intelligence.

So, what you are saying is that Joshua would be a very popular champion in your office? Casual fans come and go. No big deal.

Yes, and there are so many offices like mine.

Badhusker wrote:

ValMar wrote:Let me try to explain importance of Joshua as a new boxing super-star. I have 5-6 colleagues who could be considered as casual fans. They watch mainly HW matches, and all of them agree that Klitschko (or Klitschkos) is/are too great champions....But (for my colleagues) Wlad (as Vitali was) has too boring style...Is too intelligent, and too white (of course, nothing to do with racism, I live in Balkan, all people around me are white and Slavic speaking). So, Anthony Joshua is a perfect HW champion type, with his muscles, height and reach, at least for my friends (part time fans).
I don't want to be misunderstood, and don't speak/write about Joshua's intelligence.

So, what you are saying is that Joshua would be a very popular champion in your office? Casual fans come and go. No big deal.

Casual fans come and go, but they come and go in numbers, and still outweigh dedicated fans probably 10 to 1.

BitPlayer wrote:A small step down from Wlad. *sigh*

In AJ's defence, it was Wlad's fault it fell through.