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G0mez wrote:I'd actually like to see Mikkel Kessler come back and fight GGG.

I'd pick him to win if he was somewhere close to his previous form.

The reality is that it's Abel Sanchez & Tom Loeffler whom are doing all the talking....not GGG whom has always stated he wants to unify and rule middleweight.

He's gained a lot of exposure by those two throwing out GGG's name against everyone from 154 to 168.

Mayweather, Canelo, Ward, Froch - you name it. It's a strategy.

The second Froch fight ruined Kessler, Golovkin would smash him up.

samwbr wrote:

G0mez wrote:I'd actually like to see Mikkel Kessler come back and fight GGG.

I'd pick him to win if he was somewhere close to his previous form.

The reality is that it's Abel Sanchez & Tom Loeffler whom are doing all the talking....not GGG whom has always stated he wants to unify and rule middleweight.

He's gained a lot of exposure by those two throwing out GGG's name against everyone from 154 to 168.

Mayweather, Canelo, Ward, Froch - you name it. It's a strategy.

The second Froch fight ruined Kessler, Golovkin would smash him up.

Kessler was already suffering from serious injuries before the Froch rematch, Froch didn't ruin him, it was a tough fighter, but an easier night's work for Froch, Kessler wasn't quite the fighter he was.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

samwbr wrote:

G0mez wrote:I'd actually like to see Mikkel Kessler come back and fight GGG.

I'd pick him to win if he was somewhere close to his previous form.

The reality is that it's Abel Sanchez & Tom Loeffler whom are doing all the talking....not GGG whom has always stated he wants to unify and rule middleweight.

He's gained a lot of exposure by those two throwing out GGG's name against everyone from 154 to 168.

Mayweather, Canelo, Ward, Froch - you name it. It's a strategy.

The second Froch fight ruined Kessler, Golovkin would smash him up.

Kessler was already suffering from serious injuries before the Froch rematch, Froch didn't ruin him, it was a tough fighter, but an easier night's work for Froch, Kessler wasn't quite the fighter he was.

It was a tough and hard fight, Kessler could barely stand or walk the day after.

crusader wrote:

big lennox wrote:I hope Froch stays retired. He had a fantastic career, and is an excellent commentator; very precise with his words and insightful. As it happened, I think he'd walk through GGG. Too big for him.

If he'd walk through GGG why would you want him to stay retired? Wouldn't it be an excellent win for him and couldn't he just go back to commentary with some new material?

I'd be all over the fight if I were a Froch fan and thought he'd beat Golovkin like that...it would be a huge night if he pulled it off.

It's insufferable, having to listen to Froch talk about "taking on the best" in the super 6 and fighting in front of 80,000 at Wembley.

Imagine that smug asshat came out of retirement to whup the most dangerous and avoided man in the sport and many peoples p4p no1?
It would be worse than England winning the world cup again, we'd never hear the fornicating end of it!

samwbr wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

samwbr wrote: The second Froch fight ruined Kessler, Golovkin would smash him up.

Kessler was already suffering from serious injuries before the Froch rematch, Froch didn't ruin him, it was a tough fighter, but an easier night's work for Froch, Kessler wasn't quite the fighter he was.

It was a tough and hard fight, Kessler could barely stand or walk the day after.

I would say that is pretty commonplace. That doesn't mean he was ruined. Plenty of fighters are hospitalised after fights, and go on to have long careers. He wasn't ruined by Froch, it was a hard toughly contested fight, I was there live, it was a rugged affair.

Kessler had well documented injury problems since before the Calzaghe fight, which worsened and led to his eventual retirement.

davie wrote:
It's insufferable, having to listen to Froch talk about "taking on the best" in the super 6 and fighting in front of 80,000 at Wembley.

Imagine that smug asshat came out of retirement to whup the most dangerous and avoided man in the sport and many peoples p4p no1?
It would be worse than England winning the world cup again, we'd never hear the effing end of it!

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jamesmcdonnell wrote:

samwbr wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Kessler was already suffering from serious injuries before the Froch rematch, Froch didn't ruin him, it was a tough fighter, but an easier night's work for Froch, Kessler wasn't quite the fighter he was.

It was a tough and hard fight, Kessler could barely stand or walk the day after.

I would say that is pretty commonplace. That doesn't mean he was ruined. Plenty of fighters are hospitalised after fights, and go on to have long careers. He wasn't ruined by Froch, it was a hard toughly contested fight, I was there live, it was a rugged affair.

Kessler had well documented injury problems since before the Calzaghe fight, which worsened and led to his eventual retirement.

This is what I mean, that fight finished him off after a arduous career.

G0mez wrote:He's gained a lot of exposure by those two throwing out GGG's name against everyone from 154 to 168.

Mayweather, Canelo, Ward, Froch - you name it. It's a strategy.

Bit harsh. I'd say the long & ongoing run of spectacular highlight reel knockouts has done more to expose him to the masses.

GooalaShooola wrote:

G0mez wrote:He's gained a lot of exposure by those two throwing out GGG's name against everyone from 154 to 168.

Mayweather, Canelo, Ward, Froch - you name it. It's a strategy.

Bit harsh. I'd say the long & ongoing run of spectacular highlight reel knockouts has done more to expose him to the masses.

Really? Can you throw them out? His toughest fights to date havent resulted in highlight reel knockouts.

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

GooalaShooola wrote:

G0mez wrote:He's gained a lot of exposure by those two throwing out GGG's name against everyone from 154 to 168.

Mayweather, Canelo, Ward, Froch - you name it. It's a strategy.

Bit harsh. I'd say the long & ongoing run of spectacular highlight reel knockouts has done more to expose him to the masses.

Really? Can you throw them out? His toughest fights to date havent resulted in highlight reel knockouts.

The style of KO doesn't really matter anymore, the narrative has already been created. The Eastern European with choirboy features who annihilates all in front of him - as long as he keeps his streak of KO's going, the mystique endures (and grows) to Joe Public.

Plus, in terms of gaining exposure, it's not like it's all just fluff. Fighting regularly on HBO, creating 'home territory' in California where he always sells out, beating Brook in the UK (British casual market), beating Lemieux (French Canadian casuals), selling out the Barclays Center in Brooklyn... he's not doing too badly for himself.

GooalaShooola wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

GooalaShooola wrote:
Bit harsh. I'd say the long & ongoing run of spectacular highlight reel knockouts has done more to expose him to the masses.

Really? Can you throw them out? His toughest fights to date havent resulted in highlight reel knockouts.

The style of KO doesn't really matter anymore, the narrative has already been created. The Eastern European with choirboy features who annihilates all in front of him - as long as he keeps his streak of KO's going, the mystique endures (and grows) to Joe Public.

Plus, in terms of gaining exposure, it's not like it's all just fluff. Fighting regularly on HBO, creating 'home territory' in California where he always sells out, beating Brook in the UK (British casual market), beating Lemieux (French Canadian casuals), selling out the Barclays Center in Brooklyn... he's not doing too badly for himself.

No he's not, I couldn't argue that. I just think this idea of him as a knockout killer needs to be readjusted as he isn't knocking these guys out the same way anymore. He's moved upto the top level and it's showing he isn't a Julian Jackson type. He's a great puncher but he's a fantastic boxer too, and his variety of punches is outstanding, and he does carry power in every shot. I just don't consider him a knockout artist anymore, personally I want him to go up. There's winnable fights at SMW and I'd like to see him give up some of his usual advantages. Call me crazy but I think someone like Degale would give him real problems, and I really don't think the power will carry well enough for that to be the difference.

If this fight were to come off, it would be a strange run of fights to go from fighting Brook to fighting Froch.

I mean, nobody in their wildest dreams would ever envisage a Brook v Froch fight, would they?

I think GGG wins all the belts and then moves up. Hope so, anyway.

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

GooalaShooola wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:
Really? Can you throw them out? His toughest fights to date havent resulted in highlight reel knockouts.

The style of KO doesn't really matter anymore, the narrative has already been created. The Eastern European with choirboy features who annihilates all in front of him - as long as he keeps his streak of KO's going, the mystique endures (and grows) to Joe Public.

Plus, in terms of gaining exposure, it's not like it's all just fluff. Fighting regularly on HBO, creating 'home territory' in California where he always sells out, beating Brook in the UK (British casual market), beating Lemieux (French Canadian casuals), selling out the Barclays Center in Brooklyn... he's not doing too badly for himself.

No he's not, I couldn't argue that. I just think this idea of him as a knockout killer needs to be readjusted as he isn't knocking these guys out the same way anymore. He's moved upto the top level and it's showing he isn't a Julian Jackson type. He's a great puncher but he's a fantastic boxer too, and his variety of punches is outstanding, and he does carry power in every shot. I just don't consider him a knockout artist anymore, personally I want him to go up. There's winnable fights at SMW and I'd like to see him give up some of his usual advantages. Call me crazy but I think someone like Degale would give him real problems, and I really don't think the power will carry well enough for that to be the difference.

He's a boxer-puncher, with extremely heavy hands. Unlike Jackson, he doesn't throw anything like his full force behind punches, as he stays balanced.

The fact is, he beats people up, and impressively too, I don't think anybody really cares if he sparks them with one shot or not.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

GooalaShooola wrote:
The style of KO doesn't really matter anymore, the narrative has already been created. The Eastern European with choirboy features who annihilates all in front of him - as long as he keeps his streak of KO's going, the mystique endures (and grows) to Joe Public.

Plus, in terms of gaining exposure, it's not like it's all just fluff. Fighting regularly on HBO, creating 'home territory' in California where he always sells out, beating Brook in the UK (British casual market), beating Lemieux (French Canadian casuals), selling out the Barclays Center in Brooklyn... he's not doing too badly for himself.

No he's not, I couldn't argue that. I just think this idea of him as a knockout killer needs to be readjusted as he isn't knocking these guys out the same way anymore. He's moved upto the top level and it's showing he isn't a Julian Jackson type. He's a great puncher but he's a fantastic boxer too, and his variety of punches is outstanding, and he does carry power in every shot. I just don't consider him a knockout artist anymore, personally I want him to go up. There's winnable fights at SMW and I'd like to see him give up some of his usual advantages. Call me crazy but I think someone like Degale would give him real problems, and I really don't think the power will carry well enough for that to be the difference.

He's a boxer-puncher, with extremely heavy hands. Unlike Jackson, he doesn't throw anything like his full force behind punches, as he stays balanced.

The fact is, he beats people up, and impressively too, I don't think anybody really cares if he sparks them with one shot or not.

I do when someone says things like highlight reel knockouts cause they don't exist anymore.

I think Stevenson is a bigger one punch knock artist than Golovkin. Not saying I think he's a better overall fighter but I do think he's a bigger puncher P4P.