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Taansend wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

tigermoth87 wrote:
To be fair though, listening to commentary you'd think Ward was violating Kovalev. The UK commentary was dreadful, worst I've heard.

The thoughts you're trying to convey about the UK commentary team do not bear any correlation to the actual words articulated. In fact, I'd even suggest that you attend adult education about the English language and then listen again to the same sentences that you originally misinterpreted... and then retract your claims about this matter from the forum.

This last statement really didn't help you unless you're ten years old and doing an English test.

I wasn't commenting about your post. Instead I merely tried to humorously undermine someone making a hideously dishonest claim about the UK commentary team.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Taansend wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: The thoughts you're trying to convey about the UK commentary team do not bear any correlation to the actual words articulated. In fact, I'd even suggest that you attend adult education about the English language and then listen again to the same sentences that you originally misinterpreted... and then retract your claims about this matter from the forum.

This last statement really didn't help you unless you're ten years old and doing an English test.

I wasn't commenting about your post. Instead I merely tried to humorously undermine someone making a hideously dishonest claim about the UK commentary team.

What was dishonest about the claim paulie m was on our commentary team and he nearly came when ward landed a jab at one point.

Finn wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Taansend wrote:
This last statement really didn't help you unless you're ten years old and doing an English test.

I wasn't commenting about your post. Instead I merely tried to humorously undermine someone making a hideously dishonest claim about the UK commentary team.

What was dishonest about the claim paulie m was on our commentary team and he nearly came when ward landed a jab at one point.

That didn't happen, but I am enjoying reading all these bitter and twisted posts, despite the fact that I wholeheartedly believe that Sergey Kovalev is a marvellous fighter... unfortunately for him, there's a contingent set of his fans are behaving like juveniles.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Taansend wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: The thoughts you're trying to convey about the UK commentary team do not bear any correlation to the actual words articulated. In fact, I'd even suggest that you attend adult education about the English language and then listen again to the same sentences that you originally misinterpreted... and then retract your claims about this matter from the forum.

This last statement really didn't help you unless you're ten years old and doing an English test.

I wasn't commenting about your post. Instead I merely tried to humorously undermine someone making a hideously dishonest claim about the UK commentary team.

Wasn't dishonest though, son. The UK commentary team collectively orgasmed whenever Ward landed a shot but ignored Kovalev's own work.

Nice try with your attempt to "humourously undermine" someone though. You just forgot to add the humour.

Grab yourself a participation trophy though, I'll give you a C- for effort.

34 Kovalev 20 Ward. That renews my faith in the intelligence of the critters that post here. Someone just told me that almost everyone on East Side Boxing, or whatever it's called now, says it was a robbery.

Thank god we could get the opinion poll of a European based demographic of posters as to who won the fight!

Just got back from the T Mobile arena and here's how it played out as far as I'm concerned.
Kovalev won by a round or two, no it wasn't a robbery as Ward fought well in the 2nd half of the fight but I didn't feel it was enough for him to claim victory.
After watching Perez get absolutely robbed clearly reinforces the fact that the fix is still in in Vegas no doubt about that, Hooker barely won a round in that fight and it seemed very clear to everyone in the arena .
As for the reaction of most fans I encountered they seemed to feel Kovalev also won and without doubt Perez.
Not sure where the Vegas judges go from here as it seems like we are right back to the bad old days.
Shame because the Kovalev Ward fight was a very entertaining bout, I think the best case for Andre would have been a draw but that's it.
The arena itself is absolutely outstanding and well worth a visit should any of you come to Vegas.
Great fight with a questionable decision in the main event and a clear robbery in the Perez bout end of.

diddy wrote:Thank god we could get the opinion poll of a European based demographic of posters as to who won the fight!

That's nothing to do with it that's a petty argument. Most people are bit more adult than that.

I look forward to the rematch which I actually expect Ward to win clearer next time. He was gunshy and feeling his way in the first 2-3 rounds, wary of Kovalev's power. He will know what to expect next time and be on his game from round 1.

Ian1973 wrote:

diddy wrote:Thank god we could get the opinion poll of a European based demographic of posters as to who won the fight!

That's nothing to do with it that's a petty argument. Most people are bit more adult than that.

Right right. Nothing to do with it at all. Lmao. Have you read this board in the lead up to the fight?

I saw 4 rounds that were clearly Kovalev's +1 KD
I saw 5 rounds that were clearly Ward's.

The other three were even.
That's gives me a draw.

I have to say that, despite my concern about the American judges, I agreed with their decision given that Byrd did not deduct for elbows by Ward. Ward really got lucky not to lose points. However, Ward won because he regained the fight in the mid to late rounds and stunted any Kovalev resurgence. Those body shots by Ward proved to be the difference. Kovalev was clearly running out of gas after 7 and his legs were very unsteady from then on from all those body punches. He started strong but might've screwed himself by failing to finish off Ward early. It was a tremendous comeback by Ward. His intelligence and ability to adjust is incredible. It was super close though, and ugly by Ward at times. I can understand why some people gave it to Kovalev. This fight would've likely been a draw if Byrd deducts for those elbows (or to Kovalev if Byrd calls more than one deduction.)

Finn wrote:God knows what fight you guys were watching most of us in the U.K. had this as a very close fight. I'm assuming you guys had some massively pro kovalev commentary on or something. How can you be so adamantly sure that kovalev won certain middle rounds which were scrappy and very hard to score. You would have had to score all the pick em rounds unilaterally to kovalev to have him ahead by such a wide points margin.

Now I'm not saying it would be wrong to score him those rounds but it seems strange that you guys automatically scored him those rounds and are outraged that anyone would score them for ward.

Good post.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Finn wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: I wasn't commenting about your post. Instead I merely tried to humorously undermine someone making a hideously dishonest claim about the UK commentary team.

What was dishonest about the claim paulie m was on our commentary team and he nearly came when ward landed a jab at one point.

That didn't happen, but I am enjoying reading all these bitter and twisted posts, despite the fact that I wholeheartedly believe that Sergey Kovalev is a marvellous fighter... unfortunately for him, there's a contingent set of his fans are behaving like juveniles.

I'm wondering if you even watched the sky commentary. Answer me this - did paulie say that anyone who is scoring the fight for kovalev doesn't know how to score a fight on more than one occasion?

had the same as the judges 114 113. Couldve possibly had it 115 112 for Ward. We had colonel bob sheridan commentating here in australia and he had Kovalev by 3 points, but many rounds were extremely close. Only the 10/8 round and maybe one other were decisive Kovalev rounds, and vice versa. Ward controlled the fight after the half way mark, maybe losing one round. Thought he did enough and deserved the victory.

thomasjkelley wrote:This is why boxing is dying and being replaced by the UFC. Nobody is held to account. There is nobody who comes out of that fight and makes Ward the favorite in a rematch.

Errm ufc has ther bad judging too watch ross pearson vs diego sanchez and tell me that wasnt a rip off or gsp vs carlos condit or gsp vs hendricks. The end of the day the same applies to boxing as what dana white says to the ufc fighters "dont leave it in the hands of the judges"

Taansend wrote:I had Kova winning but if you watched with the HBO commentary you could be swayed by their words, especially as Harry L had Kova such a big winner.

If you watched sky sports commentary in uk you could be swayed too,paul smith saying he had ward up but then in the next breath he says "every jab or right hand that kovalev hits ward with is hurting ward and that was at about the round 6 mark. Kovalev won the fight.

p4p1 wrote:There is no way Ward won this fight.

The scores were embarrassing so was the ref he had no control over the fight. No warnings for constant grappling from Ward is an embarrassment. It wasn't so long ago that Ricky Hatton was warned constantly for doing the same thing to Mayweather so what's the difference?

And the ref warns kovalev for ward holding,ward grabs holds and then complains to the ref that its kov,the crowd cheering for everythin ward done,he even farted at one point and the crowd went crazy like he had knocked kov out

You'd have to give EVERY single close round to Ward while awarding him 7 rounds in a fight that he was out punched and out landed, grappled for a third of the fight, and got dropped.

A complete travesty.

Ward just nicked it, I was rooting for Kov, it was a very good fight, Kov has a rematch clause so it'll happen again in 2017. Everyone's a winner.

diddy wrote:I can't tell you how shocked I am that a bunch of imbeciles who are ignorant enough to criticize Andre Ward as a man outside the ring would also call this a "robbery". You clearly don't know what a robbery is. If you follow boxing you would know what a real robbery is. Such emotional little bitches in here. CANT take it when an American excels at a sport that Americans don't ever care about. Makes their blood boil.

Do Americans take anything seriously? They don't even take politics seriously. You talk like boxing is the most important sport in Europe when in fact its a minority sport.

How did you score the Hooker-Perez fight?

Kovalev wasn't robbed he just faded at the end, Ward's 12 round experience won him the fight.

Poll results from badlefthook.com:

Who did you have winning Kovalev-Ward?
69% Sergey Kovalev (403 votes)
25% Andre Ward (146 votes)
6% Draw (34 votes)

583 votes total

Are those also Europeans? Was the crowd in T-Mobile arena who booed the decision also European ? Where are all Americans hiding?

Poll results from badlefthook.com:

Who did you have winning Kovalev-Ward?
69% Sergey Kovalev (403 votes)
25% Andre Ward (146 votes)
6% Draw (34 votes)

583 votes total

Are those also Europeans? Was the crowd in T-Mobile arena who booed the decision also European ? Where are all Americans hiding?

Last night I watched the fight with British commentary and I had it a draw.
Today I watched it with American commentary and had it 115-113 Kovalev.
I think the only rounds where someone clearly won were Kovalev in 1,2 and 4 and Ward in 8. Every other round was debatable.

Not a robbery.