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Re: The fantasy match : Michael Spinks (1983) vs present day Andre Ward

Posted: 26 Nov 2016, 10:44
by ldlamb
Enlightened-One wrote:
ldlamb wrote:Tv didn't do punch stats before 1985.

In 1985 at 200 lbs, Spinks landed 318 out of 697.

You would normally assume that lighter and over 12 rounds, his work rate would have been even higher.
But anyway, those numbers average out to 255 and 558 over 12 rounds.

That's about 140 more landed punches and about 220 more thrown punches than Ward had last week.
You’re comparing apples to oranges.

The 1985 version of Spinks threw lots of speculative points-scoring punches and employed more lateral movement in his fighting style, because he was facing a dead-cert all-time great heavyweight champion that was much bigger and stronger than any of the opponents he had previously competed against during his 175lbs heyday in 1983.

If you watch both of his bouts in 1983, he was sharing the ring against opponents that were smaller in statured than himself, which inevitably resulted in Spinks demonstrating less lateral movement (as he was planting his feet more in order to gain more leverage behind his punches) to load up more frequently, resulting in him throwing fewer shots per round.

There’s nothing else I can really say on the matter, because the stylistic fighting style differences between the 173lb version of Spinks, as opposed to the 200lb version that competed against Larry Holmes, is really quite significant. There are YouTube videos where you can draw your own comparisons to validate the accuracy of my claims.

If the title of this thread was to express an opinion about the outcome of a fictional fight between the 185lb+ version of Ward (that fought last weekend) versus the 200lb 1985 version of Michael Spinks, then my expectations about the result would be different.

However, we’re actually being asked to express an opinion about the probable winner of a bout between the 173lbs 1983 version of Spinks against the 185lbs+ version of Andre Ward. And I feel compelled to express my thoughts in the context of how the Jinx chose to compete in 1983, because this addresses the thread title.
You're the only one that thinks that second to last sentence. Everyone else is comparing a LH weight Ward to a LH weight Spinks under similar conditions. But you can continue to be an idiot.

And I don't need to view the YouTube videos, since I saw the fights when they happened.

Re: The fantasy match : Michael Spinks (1983) vs present day Andre Ward

Posted: 26 Nov 2016, 12:24
by Enlightened-One
ldlamb wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:
ldlamb wrote:Tv didn't do punch stats before 1985.

In 1985 at 200 lbs, Spinks landed 318 out of 697.

You would normally assume that lighter and over 12 rounds, his work rate would have been even higher.
But anyway, those numbers average out to 255 and 558 over 12 rounds.

That's about 140 more landed punches and about 220 more thrown punches than Ward had last week.
You’re comparing apples to oranges.

The 1985 version of Spinks threw lots of speculative points-scoring punches and employed more lateral movement in his fighting style, because he was facing a dead-cert all-time great heavyweight champion that was much bigger and stronger than any of the opponents he had previously competed against during his 175lbs heyday in 1983.

If you watch both of his bouts in 1983, he was sharing the ring against opponents that were smaller in statured than himself, which inevitably resulted in Spinks demonstrating less lateral movement (as he was planting his feet more in order to gain more leverage behind his punches) to load up more frequently, resulting in him throwing fewer shots per round.

There’s nothing else I can really say on the matter, because the stylistic fighting style differences between the 173lb version of Spinks, as opposed to the 200lb version that competed against Larry Holmes, is really quite significant. There are YouTube videos where you can draw your own comparisons to validate the accuracy of my claims.

If the title of this thread was to express an opinion about the outcome of a fictional fight between the 185lb+ version of Ward (that fought last weekend) versus the 200lb 1985 version of Michael Spinks, then my expectations about the result would be different.

However, we’re actually being asked to express an opinion about the probable winner of a bout between the 173lbs 1983 version of Spinks against the 185lbs+ version of Andre Ward. And I feel compelled to express my thoughts in the context of how the Jinx chose to compete in 1983, because this addresses the thread title.
You're the only one that thinks that second to last sentence. Everyone else is comparing a LH weight Ward to a LH weight Spinks under similar conditions. But you can continue to be an idiot.

And I don't need to view the YouTube videos, since I saw the fights when they happened.
It's nice to know that answering the actual question being posed is generally regarded as idiotic, by people such as yourself.

I'm also quite shocked that you believe that you can recall events that took place thirty three years ago with 100% accuracy.

It's kind of funny that you resort to using insults when you cannot defend your words, especially when you have clearly misinterpreted what I have stated.

And finally, it seems that you also believe that you can win an argument without having made any effort whatsoever to address any of the points being made by your opponent.

Re: The fantasy match : Michael Spinks (1983) vs present day Andre Ward

Posted: 04 Aug 2017, 09:59
by Nile4000
Spinks beats Ward by either 11th round stoppage, or ud over 12 or 15. Ward would be dropped at least 2 times in either scenario.

Re: The fantasy match : Michael Spinks (1983) vs present day Andre Ward

Posted: 04 Aug 2017, 10:20
by Ossyrules
Spinks decisions ward in clear but close 116-112 type scoreline

Re: The fantasy match : Michael Spinks (1983) vs present day Andre Ward

Posted: 03 Jun 2018, 14:46
by DrDuke
I guess, it would have been very problematic for Ward to find pathways to bigger and awkward Spinks. If Andre would have been able to get inside, Michael still could have provided quick and sharp combinations. I see Spinks a pretty clear favourite in such match-up.