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Re: Carl Frampton slams 'anti-Northern Ireland' BBC SPotY awards after snub
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 15:32
by banjo
One thing which can't be up for debate is the Team of the Year, it can't be anything but Leicester City, Team GB(another term I hate) where expected to achieve well in Rio, Leicester weren't expected to do anything other than fight to stay in the league and they came out on top.
Re: Carl Frampton slams 'anti-Northern Ireland' BBC SPotY awards after snub
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 15:45
by stujones
banjo wrote:It's a very random award to be fair but you always know during an Olympic year the list is going to be skewed towards members of the Olympic team, Damon Hill was the last non-olympian to win this award during an Olympic year 20 years ago.
Some years are odd though such as 2009 with Giggs winning it despite several other nominees being stronger shouts for it, 1999 looked a dead cert for a United player to win it following the treble, it went to Lennox Lewis, 1995 you had Jonathan Edwards beating Bruno to it ffs, probably one of the most recognisable sportsmen in the country - I remember reading Carl Fogarty's book and he attended those awards and was sat next to Colin McRae both expecting Bruno to win it and when it was announced as Edwards they both looked at each other and just went "who?" - Zara Phillips winning it in 2006, Calzaghe didn't even make the final 3 although he won it the following year with Hatton in 3rd and to top it all off 1997 must have been a shite year for British sport as the winner and runner-up were Rusedski and Henman.
I'd love to meet the "experts" who come up with these shortlists and get them to explain some of their choices because no serious sports expert can pick Equestrianists(or whatever the shite they call them) over the likes of Carl Frampton, Chris Froome or Johnny Rea.
Lets not forget it is the public who are the pick the winners.... Giggs in 2009 was most odd though, he should never have been nominated.
Personally I don't think it should be a shortlist (like the old days) but then I guess the BBC cannot be seen giving their award to someone completely undeserving - Imagine if Flintoff won it for the boxing he did a few years ago.
1997 was a shite year, Greg won an ITV version of the award also..... it was the 1st and only year ITV did it.
Re: Carl Frampton slams 'anti-Northern Ireland' BBC SPotY awards after snub
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 15:53
by Rexob
banjo wrote:Rexob wrote:banjo wrote:I don't get the problem with Murray, he probably is the UK's most accomplished sportsman at the moment.
It's all the bloody ass sniffing they do for Murray, Fury accomplishment is as good as winning Wimbledon but he gets slaughtered for because of a bit of bad PR, Murray plays 50 weeks of the year just by percentages he should be winning something.
By a bad bit of PR you mean being a complete bigot?
Come on you telling me Murray loves the English, erm no he just has a great PR man.
Re: Carl Frampton slams 'anti-Northern Ireland' BBC SPotY awards after snub
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 15:56
by Rexob
For me Zara Philips winning it ruined any real meaning it may have had, it was a total joke her winning.
Re: Carl Frampton slams 'anti-Northern Ireland' BBC SPotY awards after snub
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 16:31
by banjo
stujones wrote:banjo wrote:It's a very random award to be fair but you always know during an Olympic year the list is going to be skewed towards members of the Olympic team, Damon Hill was the last non-olympian to win this award during an Olympic year 20 years ago.
Some years are odd though such as 2009 with Giggs winning it despite several other nominees being stronger shouts for it, 1999 looked a dead cert for a United player to win it following the treble, it went to Lennox Lewis, 1995 you had Jonathan Edwards beating Bruno to it ffs, probably one of the most recognisable sportsmen in the country - I remember reading Carl Fogarty's book and he attended those awards and was sat next to Colin McRae both expecting Bruno to win it and when it was announced as Edwards they both looked at each other and just went "who?" - Zara Phillips winning it in 2006, Calzaghe didn't even make the final 3 although he won it the following year with Hatton in 3rd and to top it all off 1997 must have been a shite year for British sport as the winner and runner-up were Rusedski and Henman.
I'd love to meet the "experts" who come up with these shortlists and get them to explain some of their choices because no serious sports expert can pick Equestrianists(or whatever the shite they call them) over the likes of Carl Frampton, Chris Froome or Johnny Rea.
Lets not forget it is the public who are the pick the winners.... Giggs in 2009 was most odd though, he should never have been nominated.
Personally I don't think it should be a shortlist (like the old days) but then I guess the BBC cannot be seen giving their award to someone completely undeserving - Imagine if Flintoff won it for the boxing he did a few years ago.
1997 was a shite year, Greg won an ITV version of the award also..... it was the 1st and only year ITV did it.
I suspected a fix when Zara Phillips won it, Giggs winning it pretty much reinforced that since there were several better players in that league winning Manchester United team.
Re: Carl Frampton slams 'anti-Northern Ireland' BBC SPotY awards after snub
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 17:21
by whiskey
Rexob wrote:For me Zara Philips winning it ruined any real meaning it may have had, it was a total joke her winning.
Well said.
The BBC produces some excellent old-school content such as planet earth etc.
But it's an absolute shitshow of scheming cretins, left-wing toffs and paedo's.
Horse jumpers, rowers and other middle class sports take up 75% of their sporting budget I imagine and it's why I want to see their archaic 'licence fee' abolished. I don't want to pay that to such a stupid bunch of idiots whom have nothing to offer the working classes to watch except Eastenders 7 days a sodding week.
They think they are tastemakers who know better than us, and their programs reflect that.
Re: Carl Frampton slams 'anti-Northern Ireland' BBC SPotY awards after snub
Posted: 02 Dec 2016, 05:27
by PredatorHayds
freddydoesdallas wrote:banjo wrote:It's a very random award to be fair but you always know during an Olympic year the list is going to be skewed towards members of the Olympic team, Damon Hill was the last non-olympian to win this award during an Olympic year 20 years ago.
Some years are odd though such as 2009 with Giggs winning it despite several other nominees being stronger shouts for it, 1999 looked a dead cert for a United player to win it following the treble, it went to Lennox Lewis, 1995 you had Jonathan Edwards beating Bruno to it ffs, probably one of the most recognisable sportsmen in the country - I remember reading Carl Fogarty's book and he attended those awards and was sat next to Colin McRae both expecting Bruno to win it and when it was announced as Edwards they both looked at each other and just went "who?" - Zara Phillips winning it in 2006, Calzaghe didn't even make the final 3 although he won it the following year with Hatton in 3rd and to top it all off 1997 must have been a shite year for British sport as the winner and runner-up were Rusedski and Henman.
I'd love to meet the "experts" who come up with these shortlists and get them to explain some of their choices because no serious sports expert can pick Equestrianists(or whatever the shite they call them) over the likes of Carl Frampton, Chris Froome or Johnny Rea.
Edwards won the world triple jump gold and broke the world record by a huge amount twice in the final. It was a phenomenal achievement.
Correct. Edwards deserved to win it that year.
Had a fantastic year and one of the best world records of all time in regards to margins.
Record still stands today which in athletics terms is phenomenal.
Re: Carl Frampton slams 'anti-Northern Ireland' BBC SPotY awards after snub
Posted: 02 Dec 2016, 05:29
by Autobarn
So many factors, why make it about Ireland?
Re: Carl Frampton slams 'anti-Northern Ireland' BBC SPotY awards after snub
Posted: 02 Dec 2016, 05:30
by Coco
The BBC has a biggest bias towards the sports they broadcast.
Unsurprisingly it is full of Olympians as the Olympics is about the only event they have left.
Re: Carl Frampton slams 'anti-Northern Ireland' BBC SPotY awards after snub
Posted: 02 Dec 2016, 06:03
by dirk2686
If Carl Fogarty and Colin McRae had genuinely never heard of Jonathan Edwards in 1995 then I pity them. The guy was absolutely amazing - a proper Bob Beamon esque recordbreaker.
I don't follow equestrianism so I can't say what Zara Phillips did to deserve the 2006 award. Clarke would have been something of a sympathy vote though.
Regarding 'middle class' sports, boxing has won as many times as anything bar athletics and F1. I don't see the problem. And there's a boxer nominated this year.
Murray - I genuinely don't get the hate. He's genuinely one of the best sportsmen this country has ever produced.
And as for this year's list, I don't know all of them but take the hockey player Kate Richardson-Walsh. Captain of the gold medal winning team, 1st ever gold for Britain in a sport with pretty sizeable worldwide appeal, and they won every match. I'm sure I could explain to someone who'd never heard of Carl Frampton why his achievements this year warrant recognition, but I'm not dumb enough to think there isn't someone who could tell me why she wasn't worthy of something similar.
Re: Carl Frampton slams 'anti-Northern Ireland' BBC SPotY awards after snub
Posted: 02 Dec 2016, 08:00
by banjo
Autobarn wrote:So many factors, why make it about Ireland?
Because two Northern Irish world champions have been ignored.
Re: Carl Frampton slams 'anti-Northern Ireland' BBC SPotY awards after snub
Posted: 02 Dec 2016, 08:04
by dirk2686
banjo wrote:Autobarn wrote:So many factors, why make it about Ireland?
Because two Northern Irish world champions have been ignored.
in the last ten years there have been more northern irish in the top three than both scotland and wales.
Re: Carl Frampton slams 'anti-Northern Ireland' BBC SPotY awards after snub
Posted: 02 Dec 2016, 09:08
by banjo
dirk2686 wrote:banjo wrote:Autobarn wrote:So many factors, why make it about Ireland?
Because two Northern Irish world champions have been ignored.
in the last ten years there have been more northern irish in the top three than both scotland and wales.
Yeah but they've put disabled people ahead of proper sportsmen from NI.
Re: Carl Frampton slams 'anti-Northern Ireland' BBC SPotY awards after snub
Posted: 02 Dec 2016, 12:31
by skanksta
keirw wrote:Counter-puncher wrote:keirw wrote:Seems he had to make way for paralympians and show jumpers.
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Which is rather nauseating, exactly my point.
I'd rather the horses themselves be nominated rather than the toffs who sit on them
x2
I also think if a horse loses his jockey but still wins the race, (as long it goes the right way, jumps all the right fences etc) it should still be called the winner.
Re: Carl Frampton slams 'anti-Northern Ireland' BBC SPotY awards after snub
Posted: 03 Dec 2016, 15:32
by banjo
skanksta wrote:keirw wrote:Counter-puncher wrote:
Which is rather nauseating, exactly my point.
I'd rather the horses themselves be nominated rather than the toffs who sit on them
x2
I also think if a horse loses his jockey but still wins the race, (as long it goes the right way, jumps all the right fences etc) it should still be called the winner.
Fuckin right it should, when we bet we bet on the horse not the midget on its back.
Re: Carl Frampton slams 'anti-Northern Ireland' BBC SPotY awards after snub
Posted: 03 Dec 2016, 17:24
by davie
Shambles wrote:nitro5912 wrote:He should be on the shortlist at least. And at the expense of vardy who helped Leicester to the title but in a team sport you could argue that as he wasn't captain he shouldn't be there
Oi leave Vardy out of it. He helped win us the Premier League. He's also got a book out and he needs all the publicity he can get for it, to ensure that his family is set up for life.
Aye, wouldn't want to see his kids go hungry...
Re: Carl Frampton slams 'anti-Northern Ireland' BBC SPotY awards after snub
Posted: 03 Dec 2016, 17:27
by davie
Rexob wrote:Murray will win again the darling bud of the BBC. SPOTY is very poor nowadays.
To be fair, he hasn't just won Wimbledon or the US open.
He's world number one, the best in his entire sport.
It's like sparking out Mayweather to become p4p no1