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asdfjkl wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Nope, pretty much the same fighter, similar statistics, similar style, similar built, everything.

Just to clarify, are you talking about Joshua and Vitali or young Briggs vs old Briggs? You're wrong in either case, but I just want to be clear who you're talking about.

Joshua and Vitali are basically the same fighters for me yes.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:
Just to clarify, are you talking about Joshua and Vitali or young Briggs vs old Briggs? You're wrong in either case, but I just want to be clear who you're talking about.

Joshua and Vitali are basically the same fighters for me yes.

Then you haven't a clue what you're watching.

tiny_acres wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Joshua and Vitali are basically the same fighters for me yes.

Then you haven't a clue what you're watching.

Don't state the obvious. We all know assfucked doesn't know crap about boxing

jezzamundo wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:
Just to clarify, are you talking about Joshua and Vitali or young Briggs vs old Briggs? You're wrong in either case, but I just want to be clear who you're talking about.

Joshua and Vitali are basically the same fighters for me yes.

Ok, wow, where to start?! Their height and weight are relatively similar, though Joshua is slightly shorter and the more musclebound, so he is the naturally smaller man of the two, though not by much. If you said they had a similar stature, that would be a reasonable observation, but their fighting styles are completely different.

The most glaring difference is the way they throw their punches. Vitali was an arm puncher, he was a naturally heavy-handed guy, but he didn't generate power through his hips. The way he threw punches was like a bigger, heavier-handed, much slower Muhammad Ali. Or for a better comparison, see footage of Jess Willard (he fights much more like Vitali than AJ). His high knockout ration comes from a combination of poor, usually much smaller opposition, who he would usually wear down and often stop late from an accumulation of punches.

AJ, on the other hand, is a pure power puncher. He generates power through his hips and hits with significantly more force than Vitali. Another major difference is that Vitali generally fought with his hands down, while AJ more often keeps a high guard. Their style of defense is very different too, with AJ often preferring to block punches, while Vitali more often made use of head and foot movement to avoid punches.

ValMar wrote:Supposing Holy's prime was about 1990, when he destroyed Douglas (although personally prefer his fights against Tyson) what do you think about this fantasy match ? Would Joshua's size be a decisive factor ?

Kalan wrote:

ValMar wrote:Supposing Holy's prime was about 1990, when he destroyed Douglas (although personally prefer his fights against Tyson) what do you think about this fantasy match ? Would Joshua's size be a decisive factor ?

Well... Riddick Bowe was a terrible boxer but he was big, tall, dumb, and strong... He beat Holyfield 2 out of 3... and ducked Lewis at every turn.

Joshua is bigger and stronger than Bowe.. He's very bright... He's a brilliant jabber and right hand counterpuncher.. Also his lead right is the best I've ever seen at Heavyweight... Unlike Bowe, Joshua trains like a maniac and arrives in perfect condition for every fight, even for punch bags like Gary Cornish -- who is 23-1 but his opposition has gone south again since he was knocked out in a minute by AJ... And Joshua is about 17 times harder to hit than Bowe -- so he destroys Holyfield without even trying.

jezzamundo wrote:

Kalan wrote:

ValMar wrote:Supposing Holy's prime was about 1990, when he destroyed Douglas (although personally prefer his fights against Tyson) what do you think about this fantasy match ? Would Joshua's size be a decisive factor ?

Well... Riddick Bowe was a terrible boxer but he was big, tall, dumb, and strong... He beat Holyfield 2 out of 3... and ducked Lewis at every turn.

Joshua is bigger and stronger than Bowe.. He's very bright... He's a brilliant jabber and right hand counterpuncher.. Also his lead right is the best I've ever seen at Heavyweight... Unlike Bowe, Joshua trains like a maniac and arrives in perfect condition for every fight, even for punch bags like Gary Cornish -- who is 23-1 but his opposition has gone south again since he was knocked out in a minute by AJ... And Joshua is about 17 times harder to hit than Bowe -- so he destroys Holyfield without even trying.

Joshua has done nothing to prove he's as good as Bowe yet. He might be, he might be better, but we won't know until he steps into the ring with another top heavyweight.

tiny_acres wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

Kalan wrote:
Well... Riddick Bowe was a terrible boxer but he was big, tall, dumb, and strong... He beat Holyfield 2 out of 3... and ducked Lewis at every turn.

Joshua is bigger and stronger than Bowe.. He's very bright... He's a brilliant jabber and right hand counterpuncher.. Also his lead right is the best I've ever seen at Heavyweight... Unlike Bowe, Joshua trains like a maniac and arrives in perfect condition for every fight, even for punch bags like Gary Cornish -- who is 23-1 but his opposition has gone south again since he was knocked out in a minute by AJ... And Joshua is about 17 times harder to hit than Bowe -- so he destroys Holyfield without even trying.

Joshua has done nothing to prove he's as good as Bowe yet. He might be, he might be better, but we won't know until he steps into the ring with another top heavyweight.

You are wasting your breath.
The nut hugging of Joshua has taken over too many people.
Now all we can do is wait and see.

ValMar wrote:Supposing Holy's prime was about 1990, when he destroyed Douglas (although personally prefer his fights against Tyson) what do you think about this fantasy match ? Would Joshua's size be a decisive factor ?

ValMar wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:
Joshua has done nothing to prove he's as good as Bowe yet. He might be, he might be better, but we won't know until he steps into the ring with another top heavyweight.

You are wasting your breath.
The nut hugging of Joshua has taken over too many people.
Now all we can do is wait and see.

Anyway, AJ has a great potential, he might be the heir of Lennox Lewis. I wrote : HE MIGHT BE, not HE WILL BE. It is a little bit strange for me, but there are so many AJ's haters on this forum (British forum, I mean).

tiny_acres wrote:

ValMar wrote:

tiny_acres wrote: You are wasting your breath.
The nut hugging of Joshua has taken over too many people.
Now all we can do is wait and see.

Anyway, AJ has a great potential, he might be the heir of Lennox Lewis. I wrote : HE MIGHT BE, not HE WILL BE. It is a little bit strange for me, but there are so many AJ's haters on this forum (British forum, I mean).

I don't think anyone hates Joshua
He is entertaining and appears to have a bright future.
But comparing him to proven all time greats before he has faced even one universally recognized top 10 contender. Is quite insane

Being hesitant to rank him along the atgs is not hating.
It's being realistic