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Tanzio wrote:

thechump wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:
So by your reasoning. Frazier beat Ali.
Foreman destroyed Frazier
So Foreman would automatically destroy Ali.

It doesn't work that way.
I had Fury #1 after beating Klit.
It's been over a year Fury is retired either by suspension or his own choice it doesn't matter.
Fury is not in the equation at this time.

If and when Fury retires we will have to see what he has left.
At this time Joshua has not done near enough in my view to be considered #1.
Klitschko is about 183 years old and has not looked dominant in a couple of years. So a win by Joshua over Klit may look great on paper. It still will not convince me that Joshua is the real champ.

So tiny your contradicting yourself,you say fury is the #1 for beating klit who is 183 years old and hasnt looked dominant for a couple of years now,fury fought the 182 year old man last year and by your reconing he hadnt been dominant for about a year then. Wilder has the best record out of all the top 6 heavyweights molina stiverne arreola all three are top 10 heavyweights and have been around the best fought the best fair enough been beaten by the best too but his record is better than parker joshua and fury

Awww, come on Mr. thechump, WKlit was only about 182 years old when Fury, the deserved GOAT of all GOATs, defeated him with tooljitsu that only those with special boo-ray goggles could see due to the mind numbing bore wave that the use of them puts out.

Hahaha fury the number 1 heavyweight hahaha ill have what some of these are smoking please hahaha

AJ is the best HW prospect out there right now, if he's still a prospect. Don't see how he's that similar to Tyson.

More like a Foreman under Gil Clancy.

thechump wrote:

davie wrote:

bnovelist wrote:I'm just being honest. He's strong, young, fights like Tyson, has that golden look, etc...If there's a fighter I would love to trade places with it's

Anthony Joshua. He's a friggin goldmind. He's so good he doesn't have to hype up fights like Chisora, Haye, Briggs, etc.. The people are DRAWN

to this kid's aura.

AJ is better than tyson in my opinion,watch a few of his fights(not knockout compilation) tyson just grabs and ties u up,in his early fights when he was fightin cab drivers,street sweepers and doormen he was knockin them out in style but when he got to top 15 he was grabbing hold all the time were as AJ doesnt really hold he just smashes u in,id like to see wilder vs joshua more than joshua vs klit
Get the fvck outta here!

If you're ever going to accidentally put your statements inside my quotes, so it looks like I said it, at least have the courtesy not to talk such utter tripe

davie wrote:

thechump wrote:

davie wrote: AJ is better than tyson in my opinion,watch a few of his fights(not knockout compilation) tyson just grabs and ties u up,in his early fights when he was fightin cab drivers,street sweepers and doormen he was knockin them out in style but when he got to top 15 he was grabbing hold all the time were as AJ doesnt really hold he just smashes u in,id like to see wilder vs joshua more than joshua vs klit
Get the fvck outta here!

If you're ever going to accidentally put your statements inside my quotes, so it looks like I said it, at least have the courtesy not to talk such utter tripe

Listen up davie boi i didnt know it had gone inside ur quote,i made my comment and posted it simple,if u wanted to take the credit for such a genius of a statement u cant cause its mine,numb nuts

davie wrote:

bnovelist wrote:I'm just being honest. He's strong, young, fights like Tyson, has that golden look, etc...If there's a fighter I would love to trade places with it's

Anthony Joshua. He's a friggin goldmind. He's so good he doesn't have to hype up fights like Chisora, Haye, Briggs, etc.. The people are DRAWN

to this kid's aura.

Get the fvck outta here!

Fights better than tyson

thechump wrote:

davie wrote:

bnovelist wrote:I'm just being honest. He's strong, young, fights like Tyson, has that golden look, etc...If there's a fighter I would love to trade places with it's

Anthony Joshua. He's a friggin goldmind. He's so good he doesn't have to hype up fights like Chisora, Haye, Briggs, etc.. The people are DRAWN

to this kid's aura.

Get the fvck outta here!

Fights better than tyson

The fighters Joshua has been knocking down have been no better than Tysons "cab drivers, street sweepers and doormen"
Tyson went on to beat a higher calibre of opponent in Thomas, Tucker, Holmes, Tubbs, Spinks and Bruno, better than anyone Joshua has faced
There's no guarantee, none what so ever, that AJ could have swept through that impressive crowd

He came unstuck against Douglas, that's a given
but aside from that, his next defeats were past his prime against Holyfield and Lewis, there isn't even a fighter on the planet right now that compare with those two, for AJ to attempt to prove himself against.

Is Joshua better than Tyson? Time may prove that he is but I'd be doubtful.
But there is no way any boxing fan can confidently state, right now, that he IS better. He just hasn't done anything to prove it

davie wrote:

thechump wrote:

davie wrote:
Get the fvck outta here!

Fights better than tyson

The fighters Joshua has been knocking down have been no better than Tysons "cab drivers, street sweepers and doormen"
Tyson went on to beat a higher calibre of opponent in Thomas, Tucker, Holmes, Tubbs, Spinks and Bruno, better than anyone Joshua has faced
There's no guarantee, none what so ever, that AJ could have swept through that impressive crowd

He came unstuck against Douglas, that's a given
but aside from that, his next defeats were past his prime against Holyfield and Lewis, there isn't even a fighter on the planet right now that compare with those two, for AJ to attempt to prove himself against.

Is Joshua better than Tyson? Time may prove that he is but I'd be doubtful.
But there is no way any boxing fan can confidently state, right now, that he IS better. He just hasn't done anything to prove it

Well AJ is taking on the best heavyweight of the past 11 years next so we will see how he does. Dont get confused about how good tyson was,the division was so poor when he burst on the scene,he beat who was out there thats all he could of done but im under no confusion of him being one of the best.

You say he got beat by holyfield when he was past his prime? He was 30 and holyfield was going against doctors orders cause of a hole in his heart,sorry past his prime doesnt cut it with me,he was in his prime he was world champion and stayed in the sport for about 10 years after it so dont gimme that son. Plus he is the same age as lennox lewis so was lewis past his prime?

Tyson was blowing people away as is AJ,tyson's early years were impressive but do me a favour,please look at the fighters he fought and check their record as and when he fought them,they wernt all that great,thomas was past his best tucker was a good boxer but later got banged out by every tom d1ck and harry tubbs is the new poster guy for greggs pasties holmes was in retirement and boxed tysons head off for the first 3 rounds,tyson couldnt do anything with his ram rod jab plus when the final knock down came holmes arm got caught on the rope,oh and he was past his prime. Spinks came out of retirement too plus he was a former light heavyweight not a real heavyweight. Jishua would of done the same to tysons first 18 opponents as he has done to his own FACT

thechump wrote:

davie wrote:

thechump wrote: Fights better than tyson

The fighters Joshua has been knocking down have been no better than Tysons "cab drivers, street sweepers and doormen"
Tyson went on to beat a higher calibre of opponent in Thomas, Tucker, Holmes, Tubbs, Spinks and Bruno, better than anyone Joshua has faced
There's no guarantee, none what so ever, that AJ could have swept through that impressive crowd

He came unstuck against Douglas, that's a given
but aside from that, his next defeats were past his prime against Holyfield and Lewis, there isn't even a fighter on the planet right now that compare with those two, for AJ to attempt to prove himself against.

Is Joshua better than Tyson? Time may prove that he is but I'd be doubtful.
But there is no way any boxing fan can confidently state, right now, that he IS better. He just hasn't done anything to prove it

Well AJ is taking on the best heavyweight of the past 11 years next so we will see how he does. Dont get confused about how good tyson was,the division was so poor when he burst on the scene,he beat who was out there thats all he could of done but im under no confusion of him being one of the best.

You say he got beat by holyfield when he was past his prime? He was 30 and holyfield was going against doctors orders cause of a hole in his heart,sorry past his prime doesnt cut it with me,he was in his prime he was world champion and stayed in the sport for about 10 years after it so dont gimme that son. Plus he is the same age as lennox lewis so was lewis past his prime?

Tyson was blowing people away as is AJ,tyson's early years were impressive but do me a favour,please look at the fighters he fought and check their record as and when he fought them,they wernt all that great,thomas was past his best tucker was a good boxer but later got banged out by every tom d1ck and harry tubbs is the new poster guy for greggs pasties holmes was in retirement and boxed tysons head off for the first 3 rounds,tyson couldnt do anything with his ram rod jab plus when the final knock down came holmes arm got caught on the rope,oh and he was past his prime. Spinks came out of retirement too plus he was a former light heavyweight not a real heavyweight. Jishua would of done the same to tysons first 18 opponents as he has done to his own FACT

Don't call me son.

davie wrote:

thechump wrote:

davie wrote:
The fighters Joshua has been knocking down have been no better than Tysons "cab drivers, street sweepers and doormen"
Tyson went on to beat a higher calibre of opponent in Thomas, Tucker, Holmes, Tubbs, Spinks and Bruno, better than anyone Joshua has faced
There's no guarantee, none what so ever, that AJ could have swept through that impressive crowd

He came unstuck against Douglas, that's a given
but aside from that, his next defeats were past his prime against Holyfield and Lewis, there isn't even a fighter on the planet right now that compare with those two, for AJ to attempt to prove himself against.

Is Joshua better than Tyson? Time may prove that he is but I'd be doubtful.
But there is no way any boxing fan can confidently state, right now, that he IS better. He just hasn't done anything to prove it

Well AJ is taking on the best heavyweight of the past 11 years next so we will see how he does. Dont get confused about how good tyson was,the division was so poor when he burst on the scene,he beat who was out there thats all he could of done but im under no confusion of him being one of the best.

You say he got beat by holyfield when he was past his prime? He was 30 and holyfield was going against doctors orders cause of a hole in his heart,sorry past his prime doesnt cut it with me,he was in his prime he was world champion and stayed in the sport for about 10 years after it so dont gimme that son. Plus he is the same age as lennox lewis so was lewis past his prime?

Tyson was blowing people away as is AJ,tyson's early years were impressive but do me a favour,please look at the fighters he fought and check their record as and when he fought them,they wernt all that great,thomas was past his best tucker was a good boxer but later got banged out by every tom d1ck and harry tubbs is the new poster guy for greggs pasties holmes was in retirement and boxed tysons head off for the first 3 rounds,tyson couldnt do anything with his ram rod jab plus when the final knock down came holmes arm got caught on the rope,oh and he was past his prime. Spinks came out of retirement too plus he was a former light heavyweight not a real heavyweight. Jishua would of done the same to tysons first 18 opponents as he has done to his own FACT

Don't call me son.

Ok little man

davie wrote:

thechump wrote:

davie wrote:
The fighters Joshua has been knocking down have been no better than Tysons "cab drivers, street sweepers and doormen"
Tyson went on to beat a higher calibre of opponent in Thomas, Tucker, Holmes, Tubbs, Spinks and Bruno, better than anyone Joshua has faced
There's no guarantee, none what so ever, that AJ could have swept through that impressive crowd

He came unstuck against Douglas, that's a given
but aside from that, his next defeats were past his prime against Holyfield and Lewis, there isn't even a fighter on the planet right now that compare with those two, for AJ to attempt to prove himself against.

Is Joshua better than Tyson? Time may prove that he is but I'd be doubtful.
But there is no way any boxing fan can confidently state, right now, that he IS better. He just hasn't done anything to prove it

Well AJ is taking on the best heavyweight of the past 11 years next so we will see how he does. Dont get confused about how good tyson was,the division was so poor when he burst on the scene,he beat who was out there thats all he could of done but im under no confusion of him being one of the best.

You say he got beat by holyfield when he was past his prime? He was 30 and holyfield was going against doctors orders cause of a hole in his heart,sorry past his prime doesnt cut it with me,he was in his prime he was world champion and stayed in the sport for about 10 years after it so dont gimme that son. Plus he is the same age as lennox lewis so was lewis past his prime?

Tyson was blowing people away as is AJ,tyson's early years were impressive but do me a favour,please look at the fighters he fought and check their record as and when he fought them,they wernt all that great,thomas was past his best tucker was a good boxer but later got banged out by every tom d1ck and harry tubbs is the new poster guy for greggs pasties holmes was in retirement and boxed tysons head off for the first 3 rounds,tyson couldnt do anything with his ram rod jab plus when the final knock down came holmes arm got caught on the rope,oh and he was past his prime. Spinks came out of retirement too plus he was a former light heavyweight not a real heavyweight. Jishua would of done the same to tysons first 18 opponents as he has done to his own FACT

Don't call me son.

Tyson wasn't even training properly when he was beaten.
AJ has never really been tested yet and I'll tell you lad he will be tested against Klitschko . AJ having been knocked down in sparring will have his chin tested soon enough.

80 tyson
90 lewis
00 vitaly
10 joshua

Grailer wrote:

davie wrote:

thechump wrote: Well AJ is taking on the best heavyweight of the past 11 years next so we will see how he does. Dont get confused about how good tyson was,the division was so poor when he burst on the scene,he beat who was out there thats all he could of done but im under no confusion of him being one of the best.

You say he got beat by holyfield when he was past his prime? He was 30 and holyfield was going against doctors orders cause of a hole in his heart,sorry past his prime doesnt cut it with me,he was in his prime he was world champion and stayed in the sport for about 10 years after it so dont gimme that son. Plus he is the same age as lennox lewis so was lewis past his prime?

Tyson was blowing people away as is AJ,tyson's early years were impressive but do me a favour,please look at the fighters he fought and check their record as and when he fought them,they wernt all that great,thomas was past his best tucker was a good boxer but later got banged out by every tom d1ck and harry tubbs is the new poster guy for greggs pasties holmes was in retirement and boxed tysons head off for the first 3 rounds,tyson couldnt do anything with his ram rod jab plus when the final knock down came holmes arm got caught on the rope,oh and he was past his prime. Spinks came out of retirement too plus he was a former light heavyweight not a real heavyweight. Jishua would of done the same to tysons first 18 opponents as he has done to his own FACT

Don't call me son.

Tyson wasn't even training properly when he was beaten.
AJ has never really been tested yet and I'll tell you lad he will be tested against Klitschko . AJ having been knocked down in sparring will have his chin tested soon enough.

Finally figured out who Joshua reminds me of; Sonny Liston.

thechump wrote:

davie wrote:
Don't call me son.

Ok little man

Better....


I cannot abide people calling me son, be it in person or over the internet.
A blatant attempt to talk down to someone as if it makes a blind bit of difference to the argument being made.

As soon as I see it I switch off to what I'm reading

Grailer wrote:

davie wrote:

thechump wrote: Well AJ is taking on the best heavyweight of the past 11 years next so we will see how he does. Dont get confused about how good tyson was,the division was so poor when he burst on the scene,he beat who was out there thats all he could of done but im under no confusion of him being one of the best.

You say he got beat by holyfield when he was past his prime? He was 30 and holyfield was going against doctors orders cause of a hole in his heart,sorry past his prime doesnt cut it with me,he was in his prime he was world champion and stayed in the sport for about 10 years after it so dont gimme that son. Plus he is the same age as lennox lewis so was lewis past his prime?

Tyson was blowing people away as is AJ,tyson's early years were impressive but do me a favour,please look at the fighters he fought and check their record as and when he fought them,they wernt all that great,thomas was past his best tucker was a good boxer but later got banged out by every tom d1ck and harry tubbs is the new poster guy for greggs pasties holmes was in retirement and boxed tysons head off for the first 3 rounds,tyson couldnt do anything with his ram rod jab plus when the final knock down came holmes arm got caught on the rope,oh and he was past his prime. Spinks came out of retirement too plus he was a former light heavyweight not a real heavyweight. Jishua would of done the same to tysons first 18 opponents as he has done to his own FACT

Don't call me son.

Tyson wasn't even training properly when he was beaten.
AJ has never really been tested yet and I'll tell you lad he will be tested against Klitschko . AJ having been knocked down in sparring will have his chin tested soon enough.

And i suppose your gonna tell me you were with him when he wasnt training. You probably read it in the paper or on teletext or somethin,dont believe everything u read son unless i wrote it . Joshua wont even be tested by klit cause klit is too negative,wilder will be the one to test joshua

davie wrote:

thechump wrote:

davie wrote:
Don't call me son.

Ok little man

Better....


I cannot abide people calling me son, be it in person or over the internet.
A blatant attempt to talk down to someone as if it makes a blind bit of difference to the argument being made.

As soon as I see it I switch off to what I'm reading

Davie my last one was a joke mate i dont even know u enough to call u son or anythin,im just messin around,but stand by what i say about tyson and believe me i was the biggest tyson fan in the late 80's early 90's.

thechump wrote:

davie wrote:

thechump wrote: Ok little man

Better....


I cannot abide people calling me son, be it in person or over the internet.
A blatant attempt to talk down to someone as if it makes a blind bit of difference to the argument being made.

As soon as I see it I switch off to what I'm reading

Davie my last one was a joke mate i dont even know u enough to call u son or anythin,im just messin around,but stand by what i say about tyson and believe me i was the biggest tyson fan in the late 80's early 90's.

Youz twoz are getting dangerously close to needing a room.

thechump wrote:

davie wrote:

thechump wrote: Ok little man

Better....


I cannot abide people calling me son, be it in person or over the internet.
A blatant attempt to talk down to someone as if it makes a blind bit of difference to the argument being made.

As soon as I see it I switch off to what I'm reading

Davie my last one was a joke mate i dont even know u enough to call u son or anythin,im just messin around,but stand by what i say about tyson and believe me i was the biggest tyson fan in the late 80's early 90's.

I get a bit touchy sometimes

I know Tyson wasn't as good as the hype that sometimes surrounded him but I think it's far to early to be putting Joshua above him, he was still a fantastic talent and his early achievements still eclipse Joshuas early CV
Christ, he'd unified the division by 21 years old. Joshua has picked up one vacant title against a quitter

davie wrote:I know Tyson wasn't as good as the hype that sometimes surrounded him but I think it's far to early to be putting Joshua above him, he was still a fantastic talent and his early achievements still eclipse Joshuas early CV. Christ, he'd unified the division by 21 years old. Joshua has picked up one vacant title against a quitter

You have to admit that opportunity fell into Tyson's lap in an unbelievable way. He had the greatest matchmaker in the history of Boxing behind him. A guy who took the smallish, hittable, and squared up Heavyweight, Floyd Patterson, to the Heavyweight Title almost as lightning fast as he did Tyson -- and then he kept Patterson away from Liston for many years. Not everybody can maneuver, match, and manage your career so cleanly. So I think both Patterson and Tyson were lucky to have Cus.

I prefer to look at what Patterson and Tyson had underneath all the hype and good fortune they enjoyed in their careers.. Tyson was a little squared up.. He was very beatable by a big, tall, long limbed, strong, very powerful punching, athletic, smart and skilled Heavyweight with a tremendous work ethic such as Anthony Joshua.. Joshua is a very clever boxer and Tyson wasn't particularly.. If you look at the Smith, Ruddock, and Tucker fights Mike plodded around the ring a lot, trudging around like it wasn't a lot of fun. It's something Douglas noticed.

BTW, I always thought Buster Douglas had good intelligence and good basic boxing skills. He had excellent height, reach, and size for a Heavyweight of his day. He never put any of that to the best use.. He slid along with less than a half effort until the Tyson fight was dumped into his lap.. You can't say Buster earned his title shot. Or that anybody but about 15 people expected him to do well.. Joshua has many of the same assets Douglas had in smarts, size, physique, and athleticism, but combines that with an unbelievable work ethic like the Klitschkos. He's mentally a lot stronger than Tyson -- just like Lewis and Holyfield were. Those guys knew from day one Mike would break. Tough guys put up a facade. It's all BS.

Tyson worked hard, but he needed a tough taskmaster. Lewis and Holyfield never needed one. Neither does Joshua. They screwed around as much as Tyson did, but they didn't need a commanding trainer telling them it was time to go to work. They made sure everything was in place and they had all the people they needed. Tyson didn't do that as well. Holyfield screwed around more than anybody, but also worked harder than anybody.




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davie wrote:

thechump wrote:

davie wrote:
Better....


I cannot abide people calling me son, be it in person or over the internet.
A blatant attempt to talk down to someone as if it makes a blind bit of difference to the argument being made.

As soon as I see it I switch off to what I'm reading

Davie my last one was a joke mate i dont even know u enough to call u son or anythin,im just messin around,but stand by what i say about tyson and believe me i was the biggest tyson fan in the late 80's early 90's.

I get a bit touchy sometimes

I know Tyson wasn't as good as the hype that sometimes surrounded him but I think it's far to early to be putting Joshua above him, he was still a fantastic talent and his early achievements still eclipse Joshuas early CV
Christ, he'd unified the division by 21 years old. Joshua has picked up one vacant title against a quitter

I disagree tbh joshua first 18 opponents all but 2/3 had winning records and as for a quitter how many of tyson's opponents quit in tge dressing room or on the way to the ring? Id say at least half his opponents,henry tillman alex steward bruce seldon bruno 2 buster mathis julius francis the list is endless

Anthony Joshua Will Rule The Boxing World With Headphones Around His Neck!

I heard he's gonna wear them during the Klitschko fight!

Rob3_142 wrote: He is, but for the sake of making a point. Fury for some reason, in many people's eyes, has been propelled to the top of the Heavyweight ladder after one win, and for some reason should remain there. Yet Joshua would have to beat both Klitchko and Fury to receive the same status.

As far as I'm concerned, based on current events, I will rely on the BoxRec rankings to give me some kind of indication of who lies where, and that currently is Ortiz as #1, and Joshua #2

So wait...you're discussing people ranking Fury #1 off one win but you have Father Time ranked number one off zero?????

punchoutsb wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote: He is, but for the sake of making a point. Fury for some reason, in many people's eyes, has been propelled to the top of the Heavyweight ladder after one win, and for some reason should remain there. Yet Joshua would have to beat both Klitchko and Fury to receive the same status.

As far as I'm concerned, based on current events, I will rely on the BoxRec rankings to give me some kind of indication of who lies where, and that currently is Ortiz as #1, and Joshua #2

So wait...you're discussing people ranking Fury #1 off one win but you have Father Time ranked number one off zero?????

When you say 'Father Time', do you mean Ortiz? Ortiz took wins against Scott, Thompson and Jennings in 3 of his last 4 outings, which is arguably better than anyone else recently. Joshua has wins against Molina, Breazeale and Martin which is okay-ish, but not as good as Ortiz. Outside of that, there is pretty slim pickings.

Rob3_142 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote: He is, but for the sake of making a point. Fury for some reason, in many people's eyes, has been propelled to the top of the Heavyweight ladder after one win, and for some reason should remain there. Yet Joshua would have to beat both Klitchko and Fury to receive the same status.

As far as I'm concerned, based on current events, I will rely on the BoxRec rankings to give me some kind of indication of who lies where, and that currently is Ortiz as #1, and Joshua #2

So wait...you're discussing people ranking Fury #1 off one win but you have Father Time ranked number one off zero?????

When you say 'Father Time', do you mean Ortiz? Ortiz took wins against Scott, Thompson and Jennings in 3 of his last 4 outings, which is arguably better than anyone else recently. Joshua has wins against Molina, Breazeale and Martin which is okay-ish, but not as good as Ortiz. Outside of that, there is pretty slim pickings.

I'm just confused: are you saying beating timid Malik Scott, 45 year old Tony Thompson, and Bryant Jennings make you the number one heavyweight???? Luis Ortiz has one decent win; Bryant Jennings. Heck Povetkins last four craps all over that list. If Tyson Fury is truly retired then there is no clear number one heavyweight based on resume. So if we're basing it off the "look" test then 65 year old Ortiz shouldn't be in the top five...or ten.

punchoutsb wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
So wait...you're discussing people ranking Fury #1 off one win but you have Father Time ranked number one off zero?????

When you say 'Father Time', do you mean Ortiz? Ortiz took wins against Scott, Thompson and Jennings in 3 of his last 4 outings, which is arguably better than anyone else recently. Joshua has wins against Molina, Breazeale and Martin which is okay-ish, but not as good as Ortiz. Outside of that, there is pretty slim pickings.

I'm just confused: are you saying beating timid Malik Scott, 45 year old Tony Thompson, and Bryant Jennings make you the number one heavyweight???? Luis Ortiz has one decent win; Bryant Jennings. Heck Povetkins last four craps all over that list. If Tyson Fury is truly retired then there is no clear number one heavyweight based on resume. So if we're basing it off the "look" test then 65 year old Ortiz shouldn't be in the top five...or ten.

Povetkin's lack of activity removes him from contention for me. He hasn't fought in 13 months, so he joins Klischko and Fury in the inactive club.

As much as I do not rate Scott myself, his UD win over Thompson does raise his stock, and as ugly as the fight was, he did manage to take Ortiz 12 rounds. Out of fighters that have fought in the last 12 months, who has a better resume than Ortiz?

Rob3_142 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
When you say 'Father Time', do you mean Ortiz? Ortiz took wins against Scott, Thompson and Jennings in 3 of his last 4 outings, which is arguably better than anyone else recently. Joshua has wins against Molina, Breazeale and Martin which is okay-ish, but not as good as Ortiz. Outside of that, there is pretty slim pickings.

I'm just confused: are you saying beating timid Malik Scott, 45 year old Tony Thompson, and Bryant Jennings make you the number one heavyweight???? Luis Ortiz has one decent win; Bryant Jennings. Heck Povetkins last four craps all over that list. If Tyson Fury is truly retired then there is no clear number one heavyweight based on resume. So if we're basing it off the "look" test then 65 year old Ortiz shouldn't be in the top five...or ten.

Povetkin's lack of activity removes him from contention for me. He hasn't fought in 13 months, so he joins Klischko and Fury in the inactive club.

As much as I do not rate Scott myself, his UD win over Thompson does raise his stock, and as ugly as the fight was, he did manage to take Ortiz 12 rounds. Out of fighters that have fought in the last 12 months, who has a better resume than Ortiz?

Well Povetkin is fighting in three days so...

If Ortiz resume is based off of ancient Tony, no-hoper Scott, and B-level Jennings then I'd rate Wilder, AJ, Parker, possibly Pulev, heck you could even make a case for Lucas Browne and Johann Duhaupas having better wins. Ortiz just fought Dave Allen...that should tell you pretty much all you need to know.