Andre Ward wants Kovalev to admit that he lost

[crusader]

What accounts to accepting it?

Would it be all good if he said 'Andre, the judges scored the fight for you, but I think I should have won the decision'?

[keithmoonhangover]

What accounts to accepting it?

Accepting 25% for the rematch.

[punchoutsb]

For 11 of the 12 rounds he landed a higher percentage of punches, which means he was also the best defensive fighter for 11 rounds.

What an utterly stupid method of judging; does a grown man really come up with such childish reasoning?

May as well give a guy a round if he goes 2 for 2, while his opponent goes 15 for 20. In fact, might as well have Ward winning 11-1 if you're just going by connect percentage (which totally ignores that a fighter doesn't land what he doesn't throw). How about this, going by CompuBox, Kovalev landed more than Ward in 6 rounds, and scored a knockdown, meaning that he should've won the fight by a point. It's apparently that simple!

Did you sit there waiting to score rounds until you saw who CompuBox had landing at a higher percentage? I notice that you only had Ward winning by one point though, so surely even you can't reasonably take issue with Kovalev thinking he deserved to win.

I never said that was my only method of scoring. I score a fight based on offence and defence. Ward had far superior defensive skills on the night. Yes, I had Ward by a point, what's your problem? I had Ward winning, so did the judges. If you didn't, then, with all due respect and in the nicest possible way.... tough sh1t.

The average number of punches landed per round in the Light Heavyweight division is about 16 according to compubox. Ward landed about 9, so Kovalev managed to keep him well below the average while still being the aggressor, forcing the action, and getting a knockdown.

[littlepug]

What an utterly stupid method of judging; does a grown man really come up with such childish reasoning?

May as well give a guy a round if he goes 2 for 2, while his opponent goes 15 for 20. In fact, might as well have Ward winning 11-1 if you're just going by connect percentage (which totally ignores that a fighter doesn't land what he doesn't throw). How about this, going by CompuBox, Kovalev landed more than Ward in 6 rounds, and scored a knockdown, meaning that he should've won the fight by a point. It's apparently that simple!

Did you sit there waiting to score rounds until you saw who CompuBox had landing at a higher percentage? I notice that you only had Ward winning by one point though, so surely even you can't reasonably take issue with Kovalev thinking he deserved to win.

I never said that was my only method of scoring. I score a fight based on offence and defence. Ward had far superior defensive skills on the night. Yes, I had Ward by a point, what's your problem? I had Ward winning, so did the judges. If you didn't, then, with all due respect and in the nicest possible way.... tough sh1t.

The average number of punches landed per round in the Light Heavyweight division is about 16 according to compubox. Ward landed about 9, so Kovalev managed to keep him well below the average while still being the aggressor, forcing the action, and getting a knockdown.

Ward landed about 9 ? you not counting body shots then ? ward outsmarted, outboxed, outhustled and out thought a more one dimensional fighter that couldn't adjust to his movement and potshotting, I'm not making it up just rewatch the fight without your "fan" hat on

[punchoutsb]

I never said that was my only method of scoring. I score a fight based on offence and defence. Ward had far superior defensive skills on the night. Yes, I had Ward by a point, what's your problem? I had Ward winning, so did the judges. If you didn't, then, with all due respect and in the nicest possible way.... tough sh1t.

The average number of punches landed per round in the Light Heavyweight division is about 16 according to compubox. Ward landed about 9, so Kovalev managed to keep him well below the average while still being the aggressor, forcing the action, and getting a knockdown.

Ward landed about 9 ? you not counting body shots then ? ward outsmarted, outboxed, outhustled and out thought a more one dimensional fighter that couldn't adjust to his movement and potshotting, I'm not making it up just rewatch the fight without your "fan" hat on

I don't own a fan hat but I expect it would keep me nice and cool in the summer!

Ward landed 116 punches in a twelve round fight. The average is about 9 punches landed per round

[littlepug]

The average number of punches landed per round in the Light Heavyweight division is about 16 according to compubox. Ward landed about 9, so Kovalev managed to keep him well below the average while still being the aggressor, forcing the action, and getting a knockdown.

Ward landed about 9 ? you not counting body shots then ? ward outsmarted, outboxed, outhustled and out thought a more one dimensional fighter that couldn't adjust to his movement and potshotting, I'm not making it up just rewatch the fight without your "fan" hat on

I don't own a fan hat but I expect it would keep me nice and cool in the summer!

Ward landed 116 punches in a twelve round fight. The average is about 9 punches landed per round

Did you count them ?

[punchoutsb]

Ward landed about 9 ? you not counting body shots then ? ward outsmarted, outboxed, outhustled and out thought a more one dimensional fighter that couldn't adjust to his movement and potshotting, I'm not making it up just rewatch the fight without your "fan" hat on

I don't own a fan hat but I expect it would keep me nice and cool in the summer!

Ward landed 116 punches in a twelve round fight. The average is about 9 punches landed per round

Did you count them ?

No, I lead a rather busy life and would prefer to not spend that much of it on things that don't matter.

Compubox did.

[crusader]

I never said that was my only method of scoring. I score a fight based on offence and defence. Ward had far superior defensive skills on the night. Yes, I had Ward by a point, what's your problem? I had Ward winning, so did the judges. If you didn't, then, with all due respect and in the nicest possible way.... tough sh1t.

The average number of punches landed per round in the Light Heavyweight division is about 16 according to compubox. Ward landed about 9, so Kovalev managed to keep him well below the average while still being the aggressor, forcing the action, and getting a knockdown.

Ward landed about 9 ? you not counting body shots then ? ward outsmarted, outboxed, outhustled and out thought a more one dimensional fighter that couldn't adjust to his movement and potshotting, I'm not making it up just rewatch the fight without your "fan" hat on

First, as a professed lover of ring smarts, you posted:

but that's just my opinion based on my love of ring smarts, another fan that maybe prefers a pressure fighter could see it a completely different way which doesn't make it right or wrong

Arent you now posting that the people who saw it for the pressure fighter are wrong? You seem to be stating with certainty that your view is the accurate one.

Maybe if others should take off their fan hat, you should watch without your ring smarts lover hat, and without the preconception that Ward is the smarter fighter.

[littlepug]

The average number of punches landed per round in the Light Heavyweight division is about 16 according to compubox. Ward landed about 9, so Kovalev managed to keep him well below the average while still being the aggressor, forcing the action, and getting a knockdown.

Ward landed about 9 ? you not counting body shots then ? ward outsmarted, outboxed, outhustled and out thought a more one dimensional fighter that couldn't adjust to his movement and potshotting, I'm not making it up just rewatch the fight without your "fan" hat on

First, as a professed lover of ring smarts, you posted:

but that's just my opinion based on my love of ring smarts, another fan that maybe prefers a pressure fighter could see it a completely different way which doesn't make it right or wrong

Arent you now posting that the people who saw it for the pressure fighter are wrong? You seem to be stating with certainty that your view is the accurate one.

Alright Colombo ! was trying to be diplomatic but thanks for calling me on that

[jezzamundo]

Ward knew that he had left the fight in the hands of the judges and it could just as easily have been scored for Kovalev - you could tell by his reaction after the fight. Kovalev feels he did enough to win the fight and was screwed by the judges, which given the dodgy scoring of the 10th round, is a reasonable position.

IMO it was a close fight that could fairly have been scored for either fighter. Kovalev had a big lead, but let Ward win the majority of the rounds in the second half of the fight, leaving it in the hands of the judges. This fight demands a rematch and Ward will and should lose a lot of credibility if he doesn't give Kovalev a rematch.

[Kalan]

Ward says it makes Kovalev look bad that a month later he’s still making excuses and not willing to give him credit for his victory over him. Kovalev still believes that HE should have won the decision in that fight, and that the judges got it wrong in giving the 32-year-old Ward the victory by a 12 round unanimous decision by the scores 114-113 x 3.

Ward said this to Fox Sports Live about Kovalev and his win over him:

“It was a unanimous decision,” said Ward about his win over Kovalev. “It was a close fight, I’ll give him that. I think what happened was this guy kind of has had such a reputation for being a monster that they thought he was going to hit me and I was going to stay down. He did hit me, and I went down and I got up. As the smaller man, I took the fight to him, and I feel like I did what I had to do to close out the show the last 6, 7, 8 rounds. The judges got it right. He’s just disappointed. I know a guy is disappointed, him and his team right after the fight; emotions are still high. For a guy 3, 4 weeks later still not give you credit and still make excuses; it’s not a good look for him. If Kovalev won by 4 to 5 rounds, and I knew in my heart of hearts that this guy beat me, I got the kind of character where I’m going to tell him right after the fight, ‘Bro, I think you got the decision.’ He earned this. It just didn’t happen. It was a close fight that went my way, and I think at some point and I think at some point he’s got to own up to it. I’ve been in the game a long time, 12 years in the profession,” said Ward.

That was a BS robbery and Ward can spin it any way he wants... He's going to throw the BS out there that he won, when he knows he lost the fight.. Kovalev landed more punches, harder punches, and scored a knockdown... There's no way you can make a Ward win out of that.. Those 3 judges were determined to give the fight to Ward if they possibly could... Giving Ward the 10th round was the pitts...

All 3 judges knew if Kovalev wins that round he probably wins the fight, so they gave it to Ward.. What do you think the result would have been if the fight were in Russia with 3 Russian judges and a Russian referee viewing the same fight??? You think they'd have it a 1-point fight??? The notoriously corrupt NSAC appointed 3 American judges and an American referee when they should have appointed internationally neutral officials.. The Russian boxing commission appointed American, Hungarian, and Nicaraguan officials to Kovalev's pervious fight in Russia.

[boxing_rocks]

Ward won the fair and square. Ya'll don't know how to score a fight.

You watched it with your a$$ hole instead of your eyes.

[5burowz]

I really like Kovalev and I can't stand Ward but I thought Ward did enough to win.

[boxing_rocks]

I really like Kovalev and I can't stand Ward but I thought Ward did enough to win.

Yep, he did enough: survived 12 rounds and got dropped only once. That was enough for the crooks to give him his W.

[tiny_acres]

I really like Kovalev and I can't stand Ward but I thought Ward did enough to win.

Very close fight. I also had Ward by a point.
But if Kovalev would of won by a round I wouldn't of complained. It was as close as you can get.
No robbery

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I really like Kovalev and I can't stand Ward but I thought Ward did enough to win.

Very close fight. I also had Ward by a point.
But if Kovalev would of won by a round I wouldn't of complained. It was as close as you can get.
No robbery

Yet, 118-109 kovalev is as justifiable as 114-113 ward. Nobody on earth had ward by more than a single point. I'm not going to argue the robbery semantics. It was a real smelly decision where 3 judges came up with the minority, best case number for one guy while unamously giving him a round nobody thought he won. If the roles were 100 percent reversed with the same judges wRd would have won a much wider ud. Use whatever vocabulary you wants, fishy as a motherfucker at a minimum. Unadulterated corruption at the worst.

[Tarkus]

Thats why god invented rematches. We need the answer to lingering questions after a dubious decision. If Ward retires rather then honor his agreement to rematch Kovalev then its obvious he doesn't believe he can beat him or that he truly won.

On Kovalevs part, rather then complaining about the decision he needs to focus on the reasons why he did not win. There was more he could have done. Especially in late rounds he should have given his all, which he did not. His corners works was poor as well. If he and his corner thinks they were winning wide that means they dont understand scoring. Which will be a problem in the rematch.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Kovalev, outboxed and totally befuddled from the 3rd round on, will admit that he lost whenever Hillary Clinton suddenly stops whining and concedes she lost the presidential election fair and square.

In other words, it will never happen.

Lol, I was wondering when this guy would show up. 'Outboxed and totally befuddled' yet outthrowing, and outlanding Ward and giving him pizza face, as well as competing on close terms even on the inside

Fairly telling you didn't have much to say right after the fight when the majority had it for kova.
you should probably go back to masturbating over Hopkins vs pavlik.

[Tanzio]

Thats why god invented rematches. We need the answer to lingering questions after a dubious decision. If Ward retires rather then honor his agreement to rematch Kovalev then its obvious he doesn't believe he can beat him or that he truly won.

On Kovalevs part, rather then complaining about the decision he needs to focus on the reasons why he did not win. There was more he could have done. Especially in late rounds he should have given his all, which he did not. His corners works was poor as well. If he and his corner thinks they were winning wide that means they dont understand scoring. Which will be a problem in the rematch.

X2

This rematch will be a very big fight. Big enough that Ward will have a very hard time not taking it. The best part about it is that I don't think anyone knows what will happen. Many will confidently predict Krusher by compacting or Ward by wide, boring decision but nobody knows how this one will playout if it happens at all.

[Badhusker]

The rematch doesn't have any chance of happening, until Kovalev admits he lost, imo.

[boxing_rocks]

The rematch doesn't have any chance of happening, until Kovalev admits he lost, imo.

If rematch is not happening, it won't be Kovalev's fault.

[Badhusker]

The rematch doesn't have any chance of happening, until Kovalev admits he lost, imo.

If rematch is not happening, it won't be Kovalev's fault.

If it comes down to something as simple as admitting he lost? If so, then yes it is his fault. Pacquiao could have gotten an immediate rematch with Floyd (Floyd had initially agreed right after the fight) if he had just admitted he lost and make up the shoulder excuse. That simple mistake cost him about $75-$100 million.

It may bother a lot of people, but Ward does not need Kovalev.

[boxing_rocks]

The rematch doesn't have any chance of happening, until Kovalev admits he lost, imo.

If rematch is not happening, it won't be Kovalev's fault.

If it comes down to something as simple as admitting he lost? If so, then yes it is his fault. Pacquiao could have gotten an immediate rematch with Floyd (Floyd had initially agreed right after the fight) if he had just admitted he lost and make up the shoulder excuse. That simple mistake cost him about $75-$100 million.

It may bother a lot of people, but Ward does not need Kovalev.

Kovalev didn't lose, so he shouldn't admit anything like that. If Ward puts conditions like that for a rematch which he HAS TO TAKE according to their contract, then it will be totally Ward's fault.

[Tanzio]

The rematch doesn't have any chance of happening, until Kovalev admits he lost, imo.

If rematch is not happening, it won't be Kovalev's fault.

If it comes down to something as simple as admitting he lost? If so, then yes it is his fault. Pacquiao could have gotten an immediate rematch with Floyd (Floyd had initially agreed right after the fight) if he had just admitted he lost and make up the shoulder excuse. That simple mistake cost him about $75-$100 million.

It may bother a lot of people, but Ward does not need Kovalev.

Krusher doesn't need Ward either. Are you actually equating Ward with FMJ?

[Ian1973]

The rematch doesn't have any chance of happening, until Kovalev admits he lost, imo.

Kovalev didn't lose why should he admit he did?

Three American judges said he lost, the MAJORITY of millions of people who watched the fight said he won.

Kovalev won that fight end of, regardless of what three people said.