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crusader wrote:What accounts to accepting it?

keithmoonhangover wrote:

crusader wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
For 11 of the 12 rounds he landed a higher percentage of punches, which means he was also the best defensive fighter for 11 rounds.

What an utterly stupid method of judging; does a grown man really come up with such childish reasoning?

May as well give a guy a round if he goes 2 for 2, while his opponent goes 15 for 20. In fact, might as well have Ward winning 11-1 if you're just going by connect percentage (which totally ignores that a fighter doesn't land what he doesn't throw). How about this, going by CompuBox, Kovalev landed more than Ward in 6 rounds, and scored a knockdown, meaning that he should've won the fight by a point. It's apparently that simple!

Did you sit there waiting to score rounds until you saw who CompuBox had landing at a higher percentage? I notice that you only had Ward winning by one point though, so surely even you can't reasonably take issue with Kovalev thinking he deserved to win.

I never said that was my only method of scoring. I score a fight based on offence and defence. Ward had far superior defensive skills on the night. Yes, I had Ward by a point, what's your problem? I had Ward winning, so did the judges. If you didn't, then, with all due respect and in the nicest possible way.... tough sh1t.

punchoutsb wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

crusader wrote:
What an utterly stupid method of judging; does a grown man really come up with such childish reasoning?

May as well give a guy a round if he goes 2 for 2, while his opponent goes 15 for 20. In fact, might as well have Ward winning 11-1 if you're just going by connect percentage (which totally ignores that a fighter doesn't land what he doesn't throw). How about this, going by CompuBox, Kovalev landed more than Ward in 6 rounds, and scored a knockdown, meaning that he should've won the fight by a point. It's apparently that simple!

Did you sit there waiting to score rounds until you saw who CompuBox had landing at a higher percentage? I notice that you only had Ward winning by one point though, so surely even you can't reasonably take issue with Kovalev thinking he deserved to win.

I never said that was my only method of scoring. I score a fight based on offence and defence. Ward had far superior defensive skills on the night. Yes, I had Ward by a point, what's your problem? I had Ward winning, so did the judges. If you didn't, then, with all due respect and in the nicest possible way.... tough sh1t.

The average number of punches landed per round in the Light Heavyweight division is about 16 according to compubox. Ward landed about 9, so Kovalev managed to keep him well below the average while still being the aggressor, forcing the action, and getting a knockdown.

littlepug wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
I never said that was my only method of scoring. I score a fight based on offence and defence. Ward had far superior defensive skills on the night. Yes, I had Ward by a point, what's your problem? I had Ward winning, so did the judges. If you didn't, then, with all due respect and in the nicest possible way.... tough sh1t.

The average number of punches landed per round in the Light Heavyweight division is about 16 according to compubox. Ward landed about 9, so Kovalev managed to keep him well below the average while still being the aggressor, forcing the action, and getting a knockdown.

Ward landed about 9 ? you not counting body shots then ? ward outsmarted, outboxed, outhustled and out thought a more one dimensional fighter that couldn't adjust to his movement and potshotting, I'm not making it up just rewatch the fight without your "fan" hat on

punchoutsb wrote:

littlepug wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
The average number of punches landed per round in the Light Heavyweight division is about 16 according to compubox. Ward landed about 9, so Kovalev managed to keep him well below the average while still being the aggressor, forcing the action, and getting a knockdown.

Ward landed about 9 ? you not counting body shots then ? ward outsmarted, outboxed, outhustled and out thought a more one dimensional fighter that couldn't adjust to his movement and potshotting, I'm not making it up just rewatch the fight without your "fan" hat on

I don't own a fan hat but I expect it would keep me nice and cool in the summer!

Ward landed 116 punches in a twelve round fight. The average is about 9 punches landed per round

littlepug wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

littlepug wrote: Ward landed about 9 ? you not counting body shots then ? ward outsmarted, outboxed, outhustled and out thought a more one dimensional fighter that couldn't adjust to his movement and potshotting, I'm not making it up just rewatch the fight without your "fan" hat on

I don't own a fan hat but I expect it would keep me nice and cool in the summer!

Ward landed 116 punches in a twelve round fight. The average is about 9 punches landed per round

Did you count them ?

littlepug wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
I never said that was my only method of scoring. I score a fight based on offence and defence. Ward had far superior defensive skills on the night. Yes, I had Ward by a point, what's your problem? I had Ward winning, so did the judges. If you didn't, then, with all due respect and in the nicest possible way.... tough sh1t.

The average number of punches landed per round in the Light Heavyweight division is about 16 according to compubox. Ward landed about 9, so Kovalev managed to keep him well below the average while still being the aggressor, forcing the action, and getting a knockdown.

Ward landed about 9 ? you not counting body shots then ? ward outsmarted, outboxed, outhustled and out thought a more one dimensional fighter that couldn't adjust to his movement and potshotting, I'm not making it up just rewatch the fight without your "fan" hat on

but that's just my opinion based on my love of ring smarts, another fan that maybe prefers a pressure fighter could see it a completely different way which doesn't make it right or wrong

crusader wrote:

littlepug wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
The average number of punches landed per round in the Light Heavyweight division is about 16 according to compubox. Ward landed about 9, so Kovalev managed to keep him well below the average while still being the aggressor, forcing the action, and getting a knockdown.

Ward landed about 9 ? you not counting body shots then ? ward outsmarted, outboxed, outhustled and out thought a more one dimensional fighter that couldn't adjust to his movement and potshotting, I'm not making it up just rewatch the fight without your "fan" hat on

First, as a professed lover of ring smarts, you posted:

but that's just my opinion based on my love of ring smarts, another fan that maybe prefers a pressure fighter could see it a completely different way which doesn't make it right or wrong

Arent you now posting that the people who saw it for the pressure fighter are wrong? You seem to be stating with certainty that your view is the accurate one.

Ruthless-RKO wrote:Ward says it makes Kovalev look bad that a month later he’s still making excuses and not willing to give him credit for his victory over him. Kovalev still believes that HE should have won the decision in that fight, and that the judges got it wrong in giving the 32-year-old Ward the victory by a 12 round unanimous decision by the scores 114-113 x 3.

Ward said this to Fox Sports Live about Kovalev and his win over him:

“It was a unanimous decision,” said Ward about his win over Kovalev. “It was a close fight, I’ll give him that. I think what happened was this guy kind of has had such a reputation for being a monster that they thought he was going to hit me and I was going to stay down. He did hit me, and I went down and I got up. As the smaller man, I took the fight to him, and I feel like I did what I had to do to close out the show the last 6, 7, 8 rounds. The judges got it right. He’s just disappointed. I know a guy is disappointed, him and his team right after the fight; emotions are still high. For a guy 3, 4 weeks later still not give you credit and still make excuses; it’s not a good look for him. If Kovalev won by 4 to 5 rounds, and I knew in my heart of hearts that this guy beat me, I got the kind of character where I’m going to tell him right after the fight, ‘Bro, I think you got the decision.’ He earned this. It just didn’t happen. It was a close fight that went my way, and I think at some point and I think at some point he’s got to own up to it. I’ve been in the game a long time, 12 years in the profession,” said Ward.

keithmoonhangover wrote:Ward won the fair and square. Ya'll don't know how to score a fight.

5burowz wrote:I really like Kovalev and I can't stand Ward but I thought Ward did enough to win.

5burowz wrote:I really like Kovalev and I can't stand Ward but I thought Ward did enough to win.

tiny_acres wrote:

5burowz wrote:I really like Kovalev and I can't stand Ward but I thought Ward did enough to win.

Very close fight. I also had Ward by a point.
But if Kovalev would of won by a round I wouldn't of complained. It was as close as you can get.
No robbery

SenorPipino wrote:Kovalev, outboxed and totally befuddled from the 3rd round on, will admit that he lost whenever Hillary Clinton suddenly stops whining and concedes she lost the presidential election fair and square.

In other words, it will never happen.

Tarkus wrote:Thats why god invented rematches. We need the answer to lingering questions after a dubious decision. If Ward retires rather then honor his agreement to rematch Kovalev then its obvious he doesn't believe he can beat him or that he truly won.

On Kovalevs part, rather then complaining about the decision he needs to focus on the reasons why he did not win. There was more he could have done. Especially in late rounds he should have given his all, which he did not. His corners works was poor as well. If he and his corner thinks they were winning wide that means they dont understand scoring. Which will be a problem in the rematch.

Badhusker wrote:The rematch doesn't have any chance of happening, until Kovalev admits he lost, imo.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Badhusker wrote:The rematch doesn't have any chance of happening, until Kovalev admits he lost, imo.

If rematch is not happening, it won't be Kovalev's fault.

Badhusker wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Badhusker wrote:The rematch doesn't have any chance of happening, until Kovalev admits he lost, imo.

If rematch is not happening, it won't be Kovalev's fault.

If it comes down to something as simple as admitting he lost? If so, then yes it is his fault. Pacquiao could have gotten an immediate rematch with Floyd (Floyd had initially agreed right after the fight) if he had just admitted he lost and make up the shoulder excuse. That simple mistake cost him about $75-$100 million.

It may bother a lot of people, but Ward does not need Kovalev.

Badhusker wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Badhusker wrote:The rematch doesn't have any chance of happening, until Kovalev admits he lost, imo.

If rematch is not happening, it won't be Kovalev's fault.

If it comes down to something as simple as admitting he lost? If so, then yes it is his fault. Pacquiao could have gotten an immediate rematch with Floyd (Floyd had initially agreed right after the fight) if he had just admitted he lost and make up the shoulder excuse. That simple mistake cost him about $75-$100 million.

It may bother a lot of people, but Ward does not need Kovalev.

Badhusker wrote:The rematch doesn't have any chance of happening, until Kovalev admits he lost, imo.