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Kalan wrote:

ldlamb wrote:Yeah, good luck with defamation.

Tey would have to prove both that any statements by Wilder's team were substantially false and that the person making the statement knew it was false.

When there are failed tests during the time of the statements (regardless of what happened later) good luck proving the second element of that defamation definition.

The problem with that is, there were no failed tests for the Wilder-Povetkin fight.. VADA implied that there were failed tests to smear Povetkin with innuendo. But instead of listening to WADA, Ryabinsky, and Povetkin, Wilder made wild statements about cheating, steroid taking, the size of Povetkin's head, and said he felt he was dirty all along. Wilder and Dibella aren't the only haters who made unfounded statements -- but they made some of the worst statements and are the most famous and moneyed...

You go where the money is...because you can grab a % of Wilder's and DiBella's earnings for the next 5 or 10 years.. Or a jury might award you more than 35MM. I think Wilder and DiBella will try to settle for 10 million or something if they're smart. The amount wouldn't be disclosed. If they lose at trial it will make headlines around the world. If I were a Billionaire like Ryabinsky I wouldn't settle. Smashing Dibella and Wilder are worth more to them than the money.

montrealsuper wrote:

Kalan wrote:

ldlamb wrote:Yeah, good luck with defamation.

Tey would have to prove both that any statements by Wilder's team were substantially false and that the person making the statement knew it was false.

When there are failed tests during the time of the statements (regardless of what happened later) good luck proving the second element of that defamation definition.

The problem with that is, there were no failed tests for the Wilder-Povetkin fight.. VADA implied that there were failed tests to smear Povetkin with innuendo. But instead of listening to WADA, Ryabinsky, and Povetkin, Wilder made wild statements about cheating, steroid taking, the size of Povetkin's head, and said he felt he was dirty all along. Wilder and Dibella aren't the only haters who made unfounded statements -- but they made some of the worst statements and are the most famous and moneyed...

You go where the money is...because you can grab a % of Wilder's and DiBella's earnings for the next 5 or 10 years.. Or a jury might award you more than 35MM. I think Wilder and DiBella will try to settle for 10 million or something if they're smart. The amount wouldn't be disclosed. If they lose at trial it will make headlines around the world. If I were a Billionaire like Ryabinsky I wouldn't settle. Smashing Dibella and Wilder are worth more to them than the money.

You are aware that Haymon calls the shots for Dibella and Wilder right? This is not the first time Haymon has manipulated a smear campaign to destroy a threat to one of his crown jewel fighters - recall Teddy Atlas and NY Daily News writer Tim Smith claiming they had emails from a Pac team member incriminating Pacquaio as a drug cheat six years ago when pressure was heavy on Floyd to face Pacquiao - of course it was lies as Atlas and Smith never presented these FAKE FRAUD FICTIONAL emails to the public and they did not present these FICTIONAL emails for the Pacquiao vs Floyd defamation lawsuit either - Haymon surely was behind this smear campaign and he's surely behind this latest smear campaign to destroy Povetkin in order to protect Fraud Wilder -

Enlightened-One wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:

Kalan wrote:
The problem with that is, there were no failed tests for the Wilder-Povetkin fight.. VADA implied that there were failed tests to smear Povetkin with innuendo. But instead of listening to WADA, Ryabinsky, and Povetkin, Wilder made wild statements about cheating, steroid taking, the size of Povetkin's head, and said he felt he was dirty all along. Wilder and Dibella aren't the only haters who made unfounded statements -- but they made some of the worst statements and are the most famous and moneyed...

You go where the money is...because you can grab a % of Wilder's and DiBella's earnings for the next 5 or 10 years.. Or a jury might award you more than 35MM. I think Wilder and DiBella will try to settle for 10 million or something if they're smart. The amount wouldn't be disclosed. If they lose at trial it will make headlines around the world. If I were a Billionaire like Ryabinsky I wouldn't settle. Smashing Dibella and Wilder are worth more to them than the money.

You are aware that Haymon calls the shots for Dibella and Wilder right? This is not the first time Haymon has manipulated a smear campaign to destroy a threat to one of his crown jewel fighters - recall Teddy Atlas and NY Daily News writer Tim Smith claiming they had emails from a Pac team member incriminating Pacquaio as a drug cheat six years ago when pressure was heavy on Floyd to face Pacquiao - of course it was lies as Atlas and Smith never presented these FAKE FRAUD FICTIONAL emails to the public and they did not present these FICTIONAL emails for the Pacquiao vs Floyd defamation lawsuit either - Haymon surely was behind this smear campaign and he's surely behind this latest smear campaign to destroy Povetkin in order to protect Fraud Wilder -

Any opportunity for an attack on Haymon, eh? Was the PBC boss also responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs?

Kalan wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

montrealsuper wrote: You are aware that Haymon calls the shots for Dibella and Wilder right? This is not the first time Haymon has manipulated a smear campaign to destroy a threat to one of his crown jewel fighters - recall Teddy Atlas and NY Daily News writer Tim Smith claiming they had emails from a Pac team member incriminating Pacquaio as a drug cheat six years ago when pressure was heavy on Floyd to face Pacquiao - of course it was lies as Atlas and Smith never presented these FAKE FRAUD FICTIONAL emails to the public and they did not present these FICTIONAL emails for the Pacquiao vs Floyd defamation lawsuit either - Haymon surely was behind this smear campaign and he's surely behind this latest smear campaign to destroy Povetkin in order to protect Fraud Wilder -

Any opportunity for an attack on Haymon, eh? Was the PBC boss also responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs?

NO... The extinction of the dinosaurs was a good thing... The extinction of Boxing??? Not such a good thing... And Haymon may someday be responsible for that, the way he's going... He's the most negative influence on Boxing since Jim Norris... Also, Victor Conte, the WBC, and VADA are all horrible for Boxing

Enlightened-One wrote:

Kalan wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Any opportunity for an attack on Haymon, eh? Was the PBC boss also responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs?

NO... The extinction of the dinosaurs was a good thing... The extinction of Boxing??? Not such a good thing... And Haymon may someday be responsible for that, the way he's going... He's the most negative influence on Boxing since Jim Norris... Also, Victor Conte, the WBC, and VADA are all horrible for Boxing

I have two questions for you...

When you came to your conclusion about disliking Al Haymon, did you do so by educating yourself by gaining a thorough understanding of all the facts relating both sides of the proverbial fence?

Also, if you feel that Al Haymon should take the blame for every bad thing to ever occur in history... Was he personally responsible for imposing the public access restriction on Area 51, which consequently fuelled many UFO conspiracy theories?

Enlightened-One wrote:

Kalan wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Any opportunity for an attack on Haymon, eh? Was the PBC boss also responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs?

NO... The extinction of the dinosaurs was a good thing... The extinction of Boxing??? Not such a good thing... And Haymon may someday be responsible for that, the way he's going... He's the most negative influence on Boxing since Jim Norris... Also, Victor Conte, the WBC, and VADA are all horrible for Boxing

I have two questions for you...

When you came to your conclusion about disliking Al Haymon, did you do so by educating yourself by gaining a thorough understanding of all the facts relating both sides of the proverbial fence?

Also, if you feel that Al Haymon should take the blame for every bad thing to ever occur in history... Was he personally responsible for imposing the public access restriction on Area 51, which consequently fuelled many UFO conspiracy theories?

montrealsuper wrote:Yes al haymon is always open to risking his key fighters to losing to rival promoters because giving the fans the best fights is his highest priority - broner vs pacquiao bradley - haymon really wants to risk Wilder and it's just a coincidence that Wilder only fights handpicked patsies or paid divers like Scott - Yes Haymon wants to risk Stevenson vs Kovalev but he just hasn't gotten around to doing it yet - Yes if Beterbiev was black from Bklyn he would still also be stuck in limbo getting meaningless fights because Haymon does not give special priority to his black fighters over whites - Gary Russell is a non draw who blew his one big fight (was sacrificed by Haymon who stupidly hoped Russell could beat Lomachenko - but then again Haymon knew beating Lomachenko was the only chance boring Russell had to build his brand into a draw) -

asdfjkl wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L0mHexLxyc

That vid pretty much sums up what's really going on in boxing.

Mexi-Box wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L0mHexLxyc

That vid pretty much sums up what's really going on in boxing.

Good video. This guy is really thinking about this stuff, and it's true. I keep repeating why VADA/WBC is pulling this shady stuff. They allowed Stiverne and Vargas to go ahead, yet they keep hitting Povetkin with the hammer. I've been saying the same thing as this guy.

Enlightened-One wrote:Does anyone know the reason why the opening of Povetkin's B-sample from the 6th December, which was scheduled for today, has been postponed at the very last minute?

jockpunk wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L0mHexLxyc

That vid pretty much sums up what's really going on in boxing.

Good video. This guy is really thinking about this stuff, and it's true. I keep repeating why VADA/WBC is pulling this shady stuff. They allowed Stiverne and Vargas to go ahead, yet they keep hitting Povetkin with the hammer. I've been saying the same thing as this guy.

Maybe because Russians have a history of being complete scumbags?

Cap wrote:Considering the recent scandal involving state organized doping of Russian athletes I don't doubt that Povetkin's samples were cleaned up so he could fight again. Russian athletes are all highly suspect now.

Cap wrote:Considering the recent scandal involving state organized doping of Russian athletes I don't doubt that Povetkin's samples were cleaned up so he could fight again. Russian athletes are all highly suspect now.

greg wrote:

Cap wrote:Considering the recent scandal involving state organized doping of Russian athletes I don't doubt that Povetkin's samples were cleaned up so he could fight again. Russian athletes are all highly suspect now.

...what an absurd conclusion.. ever heard of the presumption of innocence?

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:Does anyone know the reason why the opening of Povetkin's B-sample from the 6th December, which was scheduled for today, has been postponed at the very last minute?

Team Povetkin couldn't make it to California on time.

asdfjkl wrote:The Americans are the dirtiest, somehow helped a lot by the western media, the Russians are the most tested and the ones with the most mistakes during the tests (false positives ). On top of that, they got the media against them, doesn't matter if they are innocent.