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Counter-puncher wrote:The best version of Witherspoon would certainly give vitali hell. To name but one.

lillywhite14 wrote:

Autobarn wrote:Hahahaha

It's actually true!

He didn't seem too impressed overall with Joshua. He likes his power and said he's looked great coming forward against the guys he's fought but that he'd love to have fought him. No headmovement, very stiff. He actually did a little Tyson peek a boo bob/weave whilst talking about Joshua's lack of movement, he called me brother and gave me a hug. Highlight of my trip by a mile

lillywhite14 wrote:

daviddee wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Lewis was not rocked at all. He dropped his guard in round 3 and literally walked through his punches to land his own. I suggest you watch the fight again.

Steward had said in the run into the fight that Lewis was struggling for motivation and hadn't trained well. Even so and at the tail end of a long career he still pulled out the win and was coming on strong from round 4 on.

Obviously watching a different fight.. Conmentators are biased to Lewis and saying he's done.. One big punch from Vitali abc it would of been over.. Don't let bias get in the way of the truth.. So many people just buy into boxing Hype not many have their own opinions.. Too many sheep not enough shepherds

If someone has a different ( and imo completely accurate ) opinion to yours, resort to insults and blame officials/commentary bias?

Lewis took everything Vitali had that night and was still standing upright and firing back with just as many punches. It showed Vitali didn't hit as hard as some like to think. That along with not being able to stop old man Briggs doesn't sit too well on his record. A record with no real victory over a level B heavyweight on it, let alone A level.
Could it be that Samuel Peter or Chris Arreola are Vitali's best wins? It's a shame he never got to face anything like an elite heavy after old man Lewis. Would have cleared up a lot of these questions about how good he might have been.
I've always fancied a few names in modern heavyweight history would give Vitali all he could handle. Thomas, Ruddock, Mercer being a handful of names. I could easily see Vitali dropping a decision or two against such fighters, prime for prime.

daviddee wrote:Funnily enough I had a discussion today about this and I believe Vitali would beat any boxer in history..

lillywhite14 wrote:

daviddee wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Lewis was not rocked at all. He dropped his guard in round 3 and literally walked through his punches to land his own. I suggest you watch the fight again.

Steward had said in the run into the fight that Lewis was struggling for motivation and hadn't trained well. Even so and at the tail end of a long career he still pulled out the win and was coming on strong from round 4 on.

Obviously watching a different fight.. Conmentators are biased to Lewis and saying he's done.. One big punch from Vitali abc it would of been over.. Don't let bias get in the way of the truth.. So many people just buy into boxing Hype not many have their own opinions.. Too many sheep not enough shepherds

If someone has a different ( and imo completely accurate ) opinion to yours, resort to insults and blame officials/commentary bias?

Lewis took everything Vitali had that night and was still standing upright and firing back with just as many punches. It showed Vitali didn't hit as hard as some like to think. That along with not being able to stop old man Briggs doesn't sit too well on his record. A record with no real victory over a level B heavyweight on it, let alone A level.
Could it be that Samuel Peter or Chris Arreola are Vitali's best wins? It's a shame he never got to face anything like an elite heavy after old man Lewis. Would have cleared up a lot of these questions about how good he might have been.
I've always fancied a few names in modern heavyweight history would give Vitali all he could handle. Thomas, Ruddock, Mercer being a handful of names. I could easily see Vitali dropping a decision or two against such fighters, prime for prime.

J wrote:

lillywhite14 wrote:

daviddee wrote:
Obviously watching a different fight.. Conmentators are biased to Lewis and saying he's done.. One big punch from Vitali abc it would of been over.. Don't let bias get in the way of the truth.. So many people just buy into boxing Hype not many have their own opinions.. Too many sheep not enough shepherds

If someone has a different ( and imo completely accurate ) opinion to yours, resort to insults and blame officials/commentary bias?

Lewis took everything Vitali had that night and was still standing upright and firing back with just as many punches. It showed Vitali didn't hit as hard as some like to think. That along with not being able to stop old man Briggs doesn't sit too well on his record. A record with no real victory over a level B heavyweight on it, let alone A level.
Could it be that Samuel Peter or Chris Arreola are Vitali's best wins? It's a shame he never got to face anything like an elite heavy after old man Lewis. Would have cleared up a lot of these questions about how good he might have been.
I've always fancied a few names in modern heavyweight history would give Vitali all he could handle. Thomas, Ruddock, Mercer being a handful of names. I could easily see Vitali dropping a decision or two against such fighters, prime for prime.

are we still on the vitali really beat lewis thing, he didn't, check the records.
he LOST.

daviddee wrote:
Records are for DJ's all the fans their that night and all the neutrals know Vitali won that fight.. Deep down in himself Lewis knows Vitali beat him.. That's why no rematch

daviddee wrote:

J wrote:

lillywhite14 wrote:
If someone has a different ( and imo completely accurate ) opinion to yours, resort to insults and blame officials/commentary bias?

Lewis took everything Vitali had that night and was still standing upright and firing back with just as many punches. It showed Vitali didn't hit as hard as some like to think. That along with not being able to stop old man Briggs doesn't sit too well on his record. A record with no real victory over a level B heavyweight on it, let alone A level.
Could it be that Samuel Peter or Chris Arreola are Vitali's best wins? It's a shame he never got to face anything like an elite heavy after old man Lewis. Would have cleared up a lot of these questions about how good he might have been.
I've always fancied a few names in modern heavyweight history would give Vitali all he could handle. Thomas, Ruddock, Mercer being a handful of names. I could easily see Vitali dropping a decision or two against such fighters, prime for prime.

are we still on the vitali really beat lewis thing, he didn't, check the records.
he LOST.

Records are for DJ's all the fans their that night and all the neutrals know Vitali won that fight.. Deep down in himself Lewis knows Vitali beat him.. That's why no rematch

daviddee wrote:

lillywhite14 wrote:

daviddee wrote:
Obviously watching a different fight.. Conmentators are biased to Lewis and saying he's done.. One big punch from Vitali abc it would of been over.. Don't let bias get in the way of the truth.. So many people just buy into boxing Hype not many have their own opinions.. Too many sheep not enough shepherds

If someone has a different ( and imo completely accurate ) opinion to yours, resort to insults and blame officials/commentary bias?

Lewis took everything Vitali had that night and was still standing upright and firing back with just as many punches. It showed Vitali didn't hit as hard as some like to think. That along with not being able to stop old man Briggs doesn't sit too well on his record. A record with no real victory over a level B heavyweight on it, let alone A level.
Could it be that Samuel Peter or Chris Arreola are Vitali's best wins? It's a shame he never got to face anything like an elite heavy after old man Lewis. Would have cleared up a lot of these questions about how good he might have been.
I've always fancied a few names in modern heavyweight history would give Vitali all he could handle. Thomas, Ruddock, Mercer being a handful of names. I could easily see Vitali dropping a decision or two against such fighters, prime for prime.

I think you need to go away and watch it again.. Lewis was not throwing anywhere near the same amount as punches as Vitali.. People are sheep when it comes to boxing. They don't have their own opinions it's the same as commentary or promoters.. Just got to look at the Kovalev v Ward fight terrible commentary here most fought Ward one whereas on the US most people believe Kovalev won..

Dixonian wrote:

daviddee wrote:

lillywhite14 wrote:
If someone has a different ( and imo completely accurate ) opinion to yours, resort to insults and blame officials/commentary bias?

Lewis took everything Vitali had that night and was still standing upright and firing back with just as many punches. It showed Vitali didn't hit as hard as some like to think. That along with not being able to stop old man Briggs doesn't sit too well on his record. A record with no real victory over a level B heavyweight on it, let alone A level.
Could it be that Samuel Peter or Chris Arreola are Vitali's best wins? It's a shame he never got to face anything like an elite heavy after old man Lewis. Would have cleared up a lot of these questions about how good he might have been.
I've always fancied a few names in modern heavyweight history would give Vitali all he could handle. Thomas, Ruddock, Mercer being a handful of names. I could easily see Vitali dropping a decision or two against such fighters, prime for prime.

I think you need to go away and watch it again.. Lewis was not throwing anywhere near the same amount as punches as Vitali.. People are sheep when it comes to boxing. They don't have their own opinions it's the same as commentary or promoters.. Just got to look at the Kovalev v Ward fight terrible commentary here most fought Ward one whereas on the US most people believe Kovalev won..

Bottom line is Lewis was past his best and still won. Doesn't bode well for prime Klitschko against prime Lewis.

It was a great slugfest though!

lillywhite14 wrote:

daviddee wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Lewis was not rocked at all. He dropped his guard in round 3 and literally walked through his punches to land his own. I suggest you watch the fight again.

Steward had said in the run into the fight that Lewis was struggling for motivation and hadn't trained well. Even so and at the tail end of a long career he still pulled out the win and was coming on strong from round 4 on.

Obviously watching a different fight.. Conmentators are biased to Lewis and saying he's done.. One big punch from Vitali abc it would of been over.. Don't let bias get in the way of the truth.. So many people just buy into boxing Hype not many have their own opinions.. Too many sheep not enough shepherds

If someone has a different ( and imo completely accurate ) opinion to yours, resort to insults and blame officials/commentary bias?

Lewis took everything Vitali had that night and was still standing upright and firing back with just as many punches. It showed Vitali didn't hit as hard as some like to think. That along with not being able to stop old man Briggs doesn't sit too well on his record. A record with no real victory over a level B heavyweight on it, let alone A level.
Could it be that Samuel Peter or Chris Arreola are Vitali's best wins? It's a shame he never got to face anything like an elite heavy after old man Lewis. Would have cleared up a lot of these questions about how good he might have been.
I've always fancied a few names in modern heavyweight history would give Vitali all he could handle. Thomas, Ruddock, Mercer being a handful of names. I could easily see Vitali dropping a decision or two against such fighters, prime for prime.

gilgamesh wrote:

daviddee wrote:Funnily enough I had a discussion today about this and I believe Vitali would beat any boxer in history..

Except Lennox Lewis

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

daviddee wrote:Funnily enough I had a discussion today about this and I believe Vitali would beat any boxer in history..

Except Lennox Lewis

Including Lewis, Lewis was the luckiest men alive ever to cut him, not once, but even twice! That's a once in a lifetime amount of luck in one fight. It's like the way Chelsea won the champions league. It's like the way Denmark became European champion, just like Greece. It was similar like Vitali his only other loss. Also note that Vitali still was 100% alert at the end of the fight, he could have won a game of chess right after the match.

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Except Lennox Lewis

Including Lewis, Lewis was the luckiest men alive ever to cut him, not once, but even twice! That's a once in a lifetime amount of luck in one fight. It's like the way Chelsea won the champions league. It's like the way Denmark became European champion, just like Greece. It was similar like Vitali his only other loss. Also note that Vitali still was 100% alert at the end of the fight, he could have won a game of chess right after the match.

Lennox Lewis wasn't at his best. Vitali was, and Lennox STILL beat him.

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Including Lewis, Lewis was the luckiest men alive ever to cut him, not once, but even twice! That's a once in a lifetime amount of luck in one fight. It's like the way Chelsea won the champions league. It's like the way Denmark became European champion, just like Greece. It was similar like Vitali his only other loss. Also note that Vitali still was 100% alert at the end of the fight, he could have won a game of chess right after the match.

Lennox Lewis wasn't at his best. Vitali was, and Lennox STILL beat him.

LOL, Barcelona Chelsea? Bayern Munchen Chelsea, Portugal Greece, Tjechie Greece? Netherlands Denmark, Germany Denmark? Vitali his other loss? Do you even understand what I wrote?

daviddee wrote:

J wrote:

lillywhite14 wrote:
If someone has a different ( and imo completely accurate ) opinion to yours, resort to insults and blame officials/commentary bias?

Lewis took everything Vitali had that night and was still standing upright and firing back with just as many punches. It showed Vitali didn't hit as hard as some like to think. That along with not being able to stop old man Briggs doesn't sit too well on his record. A record with no real victory over a level B heavyweight on it, let alone A level.
Could it be that Samuel Peter or Chris Arreola are Vitali's best wins? It's a shame he never got to face anything like an elite heavy after old man Lewis. Would have cleared up a lot of these questions about how good he might have been.
I've always fancied a few names in modern heavyweight history would give Vitali all he could handle. Thomas, Ruddock, Mercer being a handful of names. I could easily see Vitali dropping a decision or two against such fighters, prime for prime.

are we still on the vitali really beat lewis thing, he didn't, check the records.
he LOST.

Records are for DJ's all the fans their that night and all the neutrals know Vitali won that fight.. Deep down in himself Lewis knows Vitali beat him.. That's why no rematch

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:What an odd thread to rehash. Not a bad topic, but a cs level discussion.

Loynesy wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:What an odd thread to rehash. Not a bad topic, but a cs level discussion.

Didn't you know that Lewis only beat Vitali because Greece won the Euro football?

Possibly the lowest level debate thread we have had on here. It's like cold calling your ugliest ex-girlfriend in bringing it back.

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Lennox Lewis wasn't at his best. Vitali was, and Lennox STILL beat him.

LOL, Barcelona Chelsea? Bayern Munchen Chelsea, Portugal Greece, Tjechie Greece? Netherlands Denmark, Germany Denmark? Vitali his other loss? Do you even understand what I wrote?

I don't give 2 f*cks about Soccer/Football so no I don't get the Soccer/Football references. Doesn't change my view on Lennox and Vitali.

Bottom line: It was the last fight of Lennox's career. If ever he was vulnerable to be beaten on any given night of his career, it was THAT night. Vitali didn't beat him, and if Vitali didn't beat him THAT night then Vitali just couldn't beat him.

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: LOL, Barcelona Chelsea? Bayern Munchen Chelsea, Portugal Greece, Tjechie Greece? Netherlands Denmark, Germany Denmark? Vitali his other loss? Do you even understand what I wrote?

I don't give 2 f*cks about Soccer/Football so no I don't get the Soccer/Football references. Doesn't change my view on Lennox and Vitali.

Bottom line: It was the last fight of Lennox's career. If ever he was vulnerable to be beaten on any given night of his career, it was THAT night. Vitali didn't beat him, and if Vitali didn't beat him THAT night then Vitali just couldn't beat him.

Yea, Alex Zülle is also a much better cyclist as Armstrong has ever been.