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world ranked wrote:Who has Callum Smith beat than rates over heavyweight belt holder who has dominated his opponents. Horse ratings is always questionable

I think that Callum Smith has a slightly better record than Joshua.

ttornado wrote:it's a losing record though

No, it isn't.

Horse wrote:

world ranked wrote:Who has Callum Smith beat than rates over heavyweight belt holder who has dominated his opponents. Horse ratings is always questionable

I think that Callum Smith has a slightly better record than Joshua.

You think wrong. He's in a harder weight class but you need to look at em skill wise pound for pound!

ThereByTheGrace wrote:Ha Ha Horse, Im not saying anything about your rankings, as you always disagree anyway!

I do tend to disagree with you.

Horse wrote:

ttornado wrote:it's a losing record though

No, it isn't.

At world level it is

Horse wrote:

brilo33 wrote:khan cmon how is he there ,

He has a great record, he's just not done much lately.

brilo33 wrote:also quigg, no place for Scott Cardle.

I don't think that Cardle is very good.

brilo33 wrote:you have andy lee who aint fought,

Andy Lee will fall out soon.

brilo33 wrote:why no jamie conlan

He's not earned a place yet.

cant agree with khan never beat any one top quality best win devon alexander who in his next fight quit on his stool.
fair enough cardle and lee , conlan fight of the year . what about Liam Williams

Stuarty30 wrote:

Horse wrote:

world ranked wrote:Who has Callum Smith beat than rates over heavyweight belt holder who has dominated his opponents. Horse ratings is always questionable

I think that Callum Smith has a slightly better record than Joshua.

You think wrong. He's in a harder weight class but you need to look at em skill wise pound for pound!

resume should trump opinion. Though I do agree the division tougher but a top 3 or 4 heavyweight BELTHOLDER should trump a great talent with NO RESUME

Stuarty30 wrote:You think wrong. He's in a harder weight class but you need to look at em skill wise pound for pound!

Joshua's opponents were more skilled?

ttornado wrote:At world level it is

No, it isn't.

brilo33 wrote:cant agree with khan never beat any one top quality best win devon alexander who in his next fight quit on his stool.

Amir Khan

Marcos Maidana
Andriy Kotelnik
Zab Judah
Paulie Malignaggi
Devon Alexander
Luis Collazo
Lamont Peterson - (Lost)
Chris Algieri
Julio Diaz
Paul McCloskey


His record is very good.

brilo33 wrote:fair enough cardle and lee , conlan fight of the year . what about Liam Williams

Williams entered the rankings last year, after beating Corcoran, but then fell back out again.

If Williams gets a decent win again then he will probably re-enter.

world ranked wrote:resume should trump opinion. Though I do agree the division tougher but a top 3 or 4 heavyweight BELTHOLDER should trump a great talent with NO RESUME

I think that Smith's record is slightly better, so he's ahead.

Belts matter very little.

Horse wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:You think wrong. He's in a harder weight class but you need to look at em skill wise pound for pound!

Joshua's opponents were more skilled?

Not a lot in it opposition wise to be fair. Both good young talented fighters but the way AJ has despatched his opponents edges him ahead IMO. You're clear bias for and against certain fighters is evident in your lists every month.

Horse wrote:

world ranked wrote:resume should trump opinion. Though I do agree the division tougher but a top 3 or 4 heavyweight BELTHOLDER should trump a great talent with NO RESUME

I think that Smith's record is slightly better, so he's ahead.

Belts matter very little.

Martin was a top ten guy who Callum Smith beat that was in the super middleweight top ten. Joshua is more important player in the heavyweight division than Smith is to 168.

Stuarty30 wrote:Not a lot in it opposition wise to be fair. Both good young talented fighters but the way AJ has despatched his opponents edges him ahead IMO.

I'm not as impressed with power as most people are.

Being able to smash low level opposition a few rounds earlier than other prospects/contenders etc. doesn't impress me a great deal.

Stuarty30 wrote:You're clear bias for and against certain fighters is evident in your lists every month.

And yours wouldn't be?

Everyone has opinions. Rankings are based on opinions. Without opinions there are no rankings.

world ranked wrote:Martin was a top ten guy who Callum Smith beat that was in the super middleweight top ten.

Martin wasn't a top 10 fighter.

Horse wrote:

world ranked wrote:Martin was a top ten guy who Callum Smith beat that was in the super middleweight top ten.

Martin wasn't a top 10 fighter.

What is Callum best win? Do you consider Whyte a top 10 heavyweight right now?

Horse wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:Not a lot in it opposition wise to be fair. Both good young talented fighters but the way AJ has despatched his opponents edges him ahead IMO.

I'm not as impressed with power as most people are.

Being able to smash low level opposition a few rounds earlier than other prospects/contenders etc. doesn't impress me a great deal.

Stuarty30 wrote:You're clear bias for and against certain fighters is evident in your lists every month.

And yours wouldn't be?

Everyone has opinions. Rankings are based on opinions. Without opinions there are no rankings.

You have Murray above Eubank Jnr. If they fought next do you honestly think Murray beats him? Clear bias.

Fury who hasn't fought in over a year and has no licence in front of the British fighter of the year. Again clear bias.

world ranked wrote:What is Callum best win?

Callum Smith

Rocky Fielding
Hadillah Mohoumadi
Christopher Rebrasse
Luke Blackledge
Patrick Mendy
Nikola Sjekloca
Vladine Biosse
Cesar Hernan Reynoso
Norbert Nemesapati
Tobias Webb


Anthony Joshua

Dillian Whyte
Charles Martin
Kevin Johnson
Eric Molina
Dominic Breazeale
Michael Sprott
Matt Skelton
Denis Bakhtov
Gary Cornish
Jason Gavern


There isn't much in it, but whichever fighter is considered to have the better record, paper titles don't really matter.

world ranked wrote:Do you consider Whyte a top 10 heavyweight right now?

No.

Stuarty30 wrote:You have Murray above Eubank Jnr. If they fought next do you honestly think Murray beats him? Clear bias.

Hardly a crazy opinion.

I think that you are the one exposing your own bias here.

Stuarty30 wrote:Fury who hasn't fought in over a year and has no licence in front of the British fighter of the year. Again clear bias.

Utter nonsense.

Horse wrote:

world ranked wrote:What is Callum best win?

Callum Smith

Rocky Fielding
Hadillah Mohoumadi
Christopher Rebrasse
Luke Blackledge
Patrick Mendy
Nikola Sjekloca
Vladine Biosse
Cesar Hernan Reynoso
Norbert Nemesapati
Tobias Webb


Anthony Joshua

Dillian Whyte
Charles Martin
Kevin Johnson
Eric Molina
Dominic Breazeale
Michael Sprott
Matt Skelton
Denis Bakhtov
Gary Cornish
Jason Gavern


There isn't much in it, but whichever fighter is considered to have the better record, paper titles don't really matter.

world ranked wrote:Do you consider Whyte a top 10 heavyweight right now?

No.

Man you made my point if you put fighter for fighter who has done the most in there division its Joshua opponents by a mile.

Name your top ten heavyweights right now.

world ranked wrote:Man you made my point if you put fighter for fighter who has done the most in there division its Joshua opponents by a mile.

By a mile? Get real.

world ranked wrote:Name your top ten heavyweights right now.

I've given you enough lists, just take my word for it.

Horse wrote:

world ranked wrote:Man you made my point if you put fighter for fighter who has done the most in there division its Joshua opponents by a mile.

By a mile? Get real.

Nobody on Smith resume has done anything even on the European level let alone fight for a world title. Between all of them not one has a meaningful win EVER. At least Whyte beat Chisora and Martin beat Spzika for a title. Smith opponents you can say no accomplishments. Even if you say the resume close which is crap you still have Callum higher though doing nothing bias crap as you usually bring with your ranking.

world ranked wrote:Nobody on Smith resume has done anything even on the European level let alone fight for a world title. Between all of them not one has a meaningful win EVER. At least Whyte beat Chisora and Martin beat Spzika for a title. Smith opponents you can say no accomplishments. Even if you say the resume close which is crap you still have Callum higher though doing nothing bias crap as you usually bring with your ranking.

Horse wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:You have Murray above Eubank Jnr. If they fought next do you honestly think Murray beats him? Clear bias.

Hardly a crazy opinion.

I think that you are the one exposing your own bias here.

Stuarty30 wrote:Fury who hasn't fought in over a year and has no licence in front of the British fighter of the year. Again clear bias.

Utter nonsense.

I like Murray (not as much as you clearly) but Eubank would pummel him.

It's not nonsense at all. Take your head out your arse. I'm also a Fury fan but how you've got him in front of Frampton after the year Frampton had is a piss take!

Stuarty30 wrote:I like Murray (not as much as you clearly) but Eubank would pummel him.

I think that you are overrating Eubank.

Stuarty30 wrote:It's not nonsense at all. Take your head out your arse. I'm also a Fury fan but how you've got him in front of Frampton after the year Frampton had is a piss take!

It is nonsense.