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mistersaintlaurent wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

mistersaintlaurent wrote:How is earning 25m plus his cut of the ppv a bad deal for this fight?

Mayweather isn't a business man, he's a effing boxer. Stop parroting that utter rubbish.

Floyd Mayweather owns businesses. He is clearly a business man. Is English not your first language?

25MM guarantee with 50/50 split is a bad deal because his value in the marketplace is much higher than that and much higher than McGregor. Mayweather highest purse was nearly $300 million, with a $100 million guarantee. McGregor has never had a guarantee higher that $3 million.

But Mayweather is supposed to split the money 50/50 with him? What sense does that make?

He is a boxer. He made his money boxing. Buying into or starting a business when you retire and calling yourself a businessman is all fine and well, but you're not a real businessman who built up a company from the ground with nothing, you're a former boxer who's only got his foot in the door because of his boxing career, and bankable name.

What doesn't make sense? You mean because he can earn more money? Fine, he can, but is 25m and half of the ppv split really not good enough for him for this fight? It's a freak show. It shouldn't even be allowed! McGregor has literally no chance, it's a mismatch. Floyd should bite their hand off and laugh himself all the way to the bank.

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mistersaintlaurent wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:He is a boxer. He made his money boxing. Buying into or starting a business when you retire and calling yourself a businessman is all fine and well, but you're not a real businessman who built up a company from the ground with nothing, you're a former boxer who's only got his foot in the door because of his boxing career, and bankable name.

Hahahaha so now you get to decide who is and isn't a real business man? That isn't how words work. Professional sports are entertainment and exist to make money. Boxing is Mayweather's business and he's in the business to maximize his revenue.

What doesn't make sense? You mean because he can earn more money? Fine, he can, but is 25m and half of the ppv split really not good enough for him for this fight? It's a freak show. It shouldn't even be allowed! McGregor ha she literally no chance, it's a mismatch. Floyd should bite their hand off and laugh himself all the way to the bank.

Oh my god . . . I'd love to meet you in real life. You've got to be one of the biggest idiots I've ever encountered.

You don't agree to a 50/50 split of a fight you should be receiving 70% from just because you're the favorite in the fight. It's just ridiculous. Stick to watching boxing. Enjoy the fights. But your analysis of the economics is laughable. Serious question, are you like 14 years old?

For someone who struggles with the quoting system employed here you're awfully cocky.

Boxing is Mayweather's business, because he is a boxer. You're starting to get it.

He can call himself a businessman all he likes but he's a boxer plain and simple. I'll tell you what, when he dies in however many years let's see what his obituary says, I'm plumping for boxer. You can have businessman. How much do you want to bet me?

I have zero analysis of the economics of boxing. I haven't offered any analysis whatsoever. I merely said I think the offer is fine for what the fight is. In fact, I'd go as far to say I hate the way people talk about money and promotional companies when on this site these days, it's boring, and has literally nothing to do with the sport of boxing and frankly is poor speculation by people who haven't got the faintest idea what's going on behind the scenes. I will continue to enjoy the fights, you enjoy the WWE side where you get to talk about contracts and percentages all you want. Brilliant.

Perhaps drop the insults though, it just makes you look foolish. I literally care not a jot what Mayweather takes for this fight, I just think the offer is fine and you're here getting all upset and calling me names cause you don't think the businessman Mayweather is getting what he deserves? And you're questioning my age?

Have a word with yourself.

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Floyd has said in recent interviews he will not comeback unless for less than 9 figures. 25 million aint enough.

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25 isn't too much less than his guarantees for other fights. Have to know when his upside kicks in.i don't know the number for UFC fights, usually $6-8 a buy in boxing, but their top guys appear to make much more on the back than the front. With Dana promoting it and stacking the undercard with legit fights. Floyd would make bank for the easiest fight of his career.

mistersaintlaurent wrote:Dark Destroyer -

Congratulations on contradicting yourself so many times in just one post.

You say you haven't offered any analysis of the economics, then in the very next sentence you say the offer is fine!

So either you don't understand the meaning of words, or you're a troll.

If you currently make $10 an hour flipping burgers and I offer you $2.50 instead, is that a fine offer?

Nicely done avoiding the quoting system, it's not for you son.

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mistersaintlaurent wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:Nicely done avoiding the quoting system, it's not for you son.

so now that all of your arguments have been obliterated, your big concern is the formatting of my posts? how convenient...

Obliterated my arguments?

And don't start getting shitty like a little girl now after you started insulting me first.

You'll fit in well in the current scene.

Your analogy of the burger flipper is one of the most bizarre things I've ever read, if you don't understand why even such a basic analogy falls flat in this context then why should I bother conversing with you?

Mayweather doesn't earn any money from his boxing currently, he's had his last fight in 2015 and has been paid. If he doesn't box this year his personal boxing earnings are $0. 25m and a large percentage of the PPV is all + for him. He isn't earning a certain amount and being asked to take a pay cut, if he managed to get 50% on the ppv he'd be earning way more than he did against Berto, an actual ranked boxer who would himself take McGregor apart.

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mistersaintlaurent wrote:you're smart enough to realize floyd would dominate conor, but too stupid to realize that's the exact reason dana doesnt want the fight. which is why dana made such a ridiculous offer.

when you have hundreds of millions of dollars, you dont take a horrible deal simply because it's better than $0. thats what desperate people do. floyd is not desperate.

you have absolutely no understanding of the fight business. dana does not want this fight. dana knows 50/50 is a nonstarter. it's a joke offer designed to fool idiots like you.

floyd made $100 million for the canelo fight and a conor fight would be even bigger. your math is so off the mark here that the only explanation is that youre a kid, a moron, or both.

How is my maths off? I haven't fornicating offered any!

It doesn't fool me. I know perfectly well what Mayweather's ego thinks he deserves and what he's earned before. My entire point is I don't see what's wrong with 25m and the large percentage of the ppv. I think it befits the freak show this fight would be. Mayweather wants much more, he has every right to go after the money I just don't see why he should be getting Canelo money for a fight against a guy who wouldn't have gotten out of Ireland if he was a boxer, Canelo was a monster and a proven world level boxer.

I'm glad I have zero knowledge of the money side of boxing if that's all people like you want to talk about I'm more than happy to be well out of it cause you bore the fornicate out of me.

That's two too many enlightened ones around here. The worst part is the sheer length of the quotes from people I don't have on ignore arguing with them. Takes what seems an hour of scrolling.

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mistersaintlaurent wrote:dark -

im not saying you should care about the business side of things. enjoy the fights and leave the business analysis to people with knowledge and understanding of how this stuff works.

if the fight is bigger than the canelo fight, floyd is rightfully going to want to be paid more. doesnt latter if its an easier fight.

You don't have an understanding of how shit works though. You're just speculating like all the other fools on here who bicker about purses and PPV splits. I agree that Dana doesn't want this fight, he would have known before that offer was put out that Mayweather isn't taking a 50/50 purse split with Conor, if Dana wanted to make this fight he'd have offered 75/25 or even 80/20 and paid Conor more from the back end of the PPV sale. Now, that doesn't mean I don't think 25m is enough for this fight, cause I do, I think Mayweather should have called their bluff and made a fortune with his PPV percentage.

And of course the level of opponent should matter. This shouldn't even be considered for PPV it's a total mismatch, it's a joke of a fight that is literally being made (if it gets made) to exploit McGregor's current popularity. If Floyd was all about making the most money there are fights out there that would make more. But, he sees this rightly as money for old rope.

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It's not Conor or nothing. Pacquaio would make money, a Canelo rematch would make money, he could step up to middleweight and make a fortune fighting Golovkin. Stupid fight but it's far more interesting than this.

You've been working in the combat sports industry for 19 years. Okay who are you?

He's public figure, saint Laurent, Mr to you.

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:It's not Conor or nothing. Pacquaio would make money, a Canelo rematch would make money, he could step up to middleweight and make a fortune fighting Golovkin. Stupid fight but it's far more interesting than this.

You've been working in the combat sports industry for 19 years. Okay who are you?

According to Floyd last night its Conor or no one.

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

mistersaintlaurent wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

Floyd Mayweather owns businesses. He is clearly a business man. Is English not your first language?

25MM guarantee with 50/50 split is a bad deal because his value in the marketplace is much higher than that and much higher than McGregor. Mayweather highest purse was nearly $300 million, with a $100 million guarantee. McGregor has never had a guarantee higher that $3 million.

But Mayweather is supposed to split the money 50/50 with him? What sense does that make?

He is a boxer. He made his money boxing. Buying into or starting a business when you retire and calling yourself a businessman is all fine and well, but you're not a real businessman who built up a company from the ground with nothing, you're a former boxer who's only got his foot in the door because of his boxing career, and bankable name.

What doesn't make sense? You mean because he can earn more money? Fine, he can, but is 25m and half of the ppv split really not good enough for him for this fight? It's a freak show. It shouldn't even be allowed! McGregor has literally no chance, it's a mismatch. Floyd should bite their hand off and laugh himself all the way to the bank.

He's also a promoter....his own promoter...Equivalent of White and Mcgregor combined so his pay should reflect that. McGregor isn't his own promotor.

IKSRTFO wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

mistersaintlaurent wrote:
Floyd Mayweather owns businesses. He is clearly a business man. Is English not your first language?

25MM guarantee with 50/50 split is a bad deal because his value in the marketplace is much higher than that and much higher than McGregor. Mayweather highest purse was nearly $300 million, with a $100 million guarantee. McGregor has never had a guarantee higher that $3 million.

But Mayweather is supposed to split the money 50/50 with him? What sense does that make?

He is a boxer. He made his money boxing. Buying into or starting a business when you retire and calling yourself a businessman is all fine and well, but you're not a real businessman who built up a company from the ground with nothing, you're a former boxer who's only got his foot in the door because of his boxing career, and bankable name.

What doesn't make sense? You mean because he can earn more money? Fine, he can, but is 25m and half of the ppv split really not good enough for him for this fight? It's a freak show. It shouldn't even be allowed! McGregor has literally no chance, it's a mismatch. Floyd should bite their hand off and laugh himself all the way to the bank.

He's also a promoter....his own promoter...Equivalent of White and Mcgregor so his pay should reflect that. McGregor isn't his own promotor.

And will have to pay his 10% or whatever it is, Mayweather gets to keep his so it is reflected.

Impractical Poster wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:It's not Conor or nothing. Pacquaio would make money, a Canelo rematch would make money, he could step up to middleweight and make a fortune fighting Golovkin. Stupid fight but it's far more interesting than this.

You've been working in the combat sports industry for 19 years. Okay who are you?

According to Floyd last night its Conor or no one.

I'm sure he does see it that way, it's an easy pay day. My point is simply he would have options if he was open to them.

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:It's not Conor or nothing. Pacquaio would make money, a Canelo rematch would make money, he could step up to middleweight and make a fortune fighting Golovkin. Stupid fight but it's far more interesting than this.

You've been working in the combat sports industry for 19 years. Okay who are you?

According to Floyd last night its Conor or no one.

I'm sure he does see it that way, it's an easy pay day. My point is simply he would have options if he was open to them.

True.

This Conor card would make stupid sales though.

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:
He is a boxer. He made his money boxing. Buying into or starting a business when you retire and calling yourself a businessman is all fine and well, but you're not a real businessman who built up a company from the ground with nothing, you're a former boxer who's only got his foot in the door because of his boxing career, and bankable name.

What doesn't make sense? You mean because he can earn more money? Fine, he can, but is 25m and half of the ppv split really not good enough for him for this fight? It's a freak show. It shouldn't even be allowed! McGregor has literally no chance, it's a mismatch. Floyd should bite their hand off and laugh himself all the way to the bank.

He's also a promoter....his own promoter...Equivalent of White and Mcgregor so his pay should reflect that. McGregor isn't his own promotor.

And will have to pay his 10% or whatever it is, Mayweather gets to keep his so it is reflected.

Mayweather's pay should be McGregor + White, not what McGregor gets. Mayweather promotions would be co promoter of the event.

IKSRTFO wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:
He's also a promoter....his own promoter...Equivalent of White and Mcgregor so his pay should reflect that. McGregor isn't his own promotor.

And will have to pay his 10% or whatever it is, Mayweather gets to keep his so it is reflected.

Mayweather's pay should be McGregor + White, not what McGregor gets. Mayweather promotions would be co promoter of the event.

But McGregor pays White out of his purse. Mayweather's purse would be the same as McGregor + White if they both got 25m. The promotional company will make their money from the TVs rights and PPV sales too.