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Why did you leave out Thompson's ranking? And did you meet Stiverne in 2007 before or after he was stopped by King? To be honest, I think Bermane has been pretty overrated, and Im not sure that he's any better than Ruiz, though Wilder beat Stiverne way more convincingly than Parker beat Ruiz (I had it 7-5 AR).

Wilder has a stronger resume than Ortiz in the last three and overall, but I'd say that Ortiz's KO of Jennings (a lot of people seem to forget that he outclassed and stopped Szpilka) is the best win between them

man wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:- Don King even said later that Stiverne "transferred" the belt to Wilder like a business transaction -

first time i see don king mentioned as a
credible reference.

See? You only believe what you want to believe -

Impractical Poster wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:I think Wilder is more of a champion than Joseph Parker is. Hughie Fury gets a title shot because he is Tyson Fury's cousin and because he beat a mediocre boxer for the WBO Intercontinental title. Compare the resumes of Wilder and Parker. Also, Gerald Washington is better than Hughie Fury.

Nope, Hughie is better than Washington.

Wilder tried to make the Hughie fight. Hughie had the option for Parker or Wilder, he picked Parker.

Euhm, nope either, Wilder challenged Hughie Fury, then Hughie accepted on 8 weeks notice, then Wilder replied they didn't want to offer him 8 weeks and moved on to Duhaupas who he fought 7,5 week later.

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asdfjkl wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:Stiverne is a better opponent than an overweight Andy Ruiz.

Wilder has a better resume than Ortiz. They both fought Malik Scott and Wilder won by KO in round one. Ortiz won by UD.

Nope, even an overweight Ruiz is far superior, also, Ortiz has a better resume then Wilder with his latest 3 fights and openly asking for more and better opponents and actually accepting a challenge like Miller when he talks loud. Scott took a dive against Wilder, watch the fight for yourself.

Let's look at Ortiz's last three fights: David Allen who is rated No. 117, Malik Scott who Ortiz and Wilder both fought, and Tony Thompson who is 45 years old. Here are Wilder's last three fights: Chris Arreola who is rated No. 54, Artur Szpilka who is inactive now, but has a 20-2 record and defeated Tomasz Adamek in 2014, and Johann Duhaupas who is rated No. 18. Sorry, but you lose that argument.

Stiverne was the WBC heavyweight champion. No one can take that accomplishment away from him even though he is not the champion now. Bear in mind that Stiverne is the only boxer to go the distance against Wilder. All of Wilder's other wins were by knockout. Also, Stiverne is rated No. 7 by Ring Magazine and Ruiz is rated No. 9. I don't agree with Ring's ratings all the time, but I met Stiverne in 2007 when he was Samuel Peter's sparring partner. He was expected to be a world champion someday and he was several years later.

Scott was hurt by a left hook to the head. I know the straight right from Wilder did not land, but that is the punch people focus on who think the fight was fixed.

And you just ignore Jennings? Who's possibly still better as Deontay Wilder and would be ranked 21 right now if he becomes active again.
Thompson is still ranked higher as Washington and also notice that Washington was very lucky to draw against a 43 year old 6ft1 guy who spend his prime in prison. Stiverne shouldn't be rated this high, everybody knows that very well.
He simply never fought Europeans because he knew he would end up like Steve Cunningham.

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Impractical Poster wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Nope, Hughie is better than Washington.

Wilder tried to make the Hughie fight. Hughie had the option for Parker or Wilder, he picked Parker.

Euhm, nope either, Wilder challenged Hughie Fury, then Hughie accepted on 8 weeks notice, then Wilder replied they didn't want to offer him 8 weeks and moved on to Duhaupas who he fought 7,5 week later.

Not sure what time frame you are talking about. I am talking very recently. Like less than 2 months ago. Fury was offered Wilder and he opted for Parker.

crusader wrote:Why did you leave out Thompson's ranking? And did you meet Stiverne in 2007 before or after he was stopped by King? To be honest, I think Bermane has been pretty overrated, and Im not sure that he's any better than Ruiz, though Wilder beat Stiverne way more convincingly than Parker beat Ruiz (I had it 7-5 AR).

Wilder has a stronger resume than Ortiz in the last three and overall, but I'd say that Ortiz's KO of Jennings (a lot of people seem to forget that he outclassed and stopped Szpilka) is the best win between them

Thompson is rated No. 19, but still Wilder has a better resume in my opinion. I think you have to consider Thompson's age as being a factor as to his abilities right now. I believe that Stiverne was under contract with King at the time because I met him at a boxing gym in Deerfield Beach which is where King's headquarters is.

Impractical Poster wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: Wilder tried to make the Hughie fight. Hughie had the option for Parker or Wilder, he picked Parker.

Euhm, nope either, Wilder challenged Hughie Fury, then Hughie accepted on 8 weeks notice, then Wilder replied they didn't want to offer him 8 weeks and moved on to Duhaupas who he fought 7,5 week later.

Not sure what time frame you are talking about. I am talking very recently. Like less than 2 months ago. Fury was offered Wilder and he opted for Parker.

That's what I said, Wilder probably once again knew beforehand that Hughy wouldn't accept since he was busy with Parker, he does that all the time. Obviously I was talking about 7,5 weeks before the Duhaupas fight.

http://behindthegloves.com/fury-confirm ... week-camp/

asdfjkl wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Euhm, nope either, Wilder challenged Hughie Fury, then Hughie accepted on 8 weeks notice, then Wilder replied they didn't want to offer him 8 weeks and moved on to Duhaupas who he fought 7,5 week later.

Not sure what time frame you are talking about. I am talking very recently. Like less than 2 months ago. Fury was offered Wilder and he opted for Parker.

That's what I said, Wilder probably once again knew beforehand that Hughy wouldn't accept since he was busy with Parker, he does that all the time.

I don't care what happened a couple years ago. I'm talking about 2 months ago. It was up to Tyson to pick. You are full of assumptions aren't you. Tyson had the choice of Parker or Wilder. So, you believe Wilder threw his name in the mix because he knew Hughie was going to pick Parker? Really? I'll bet you also believe that Wilder wasted time and effort to fly to Russia and prepare for the Povetkin bout knowing that he wasn't going to be fighting Povetkin all along, don't you?

Wilder never flew to Russia.

boxing_rocks wrote:Wilder never flew to Russia.

I thought he did. My bad.

Impractical Poster wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: Not sure what time frame you are talking about. I am talking very recently. Like less than 2 months ago. Fury was offered Wilder and he opted for Parker.

That's what I said, Wilder probably once again knew beforehand that Hughy wouldn't accept since he was busy with Parker, he does that all the time.

I don't care what happened a couple years ago. I'm talking about 2 months ago. It was up to Tyson to pick. You are full of assumptions aren't you. Tyson had the choiceof Parker or Wilder. So, you believe Wilder threw his name in the mix because he knew Hughie was going to pick Parker? Really? I'll bet you also believe that Wilder wasted time and effort to fly to Russia and prepare for the Povetkin bout knowing that he wasn't going to be fighting Povetkin all along, don't you?

Well if you actually knew what you were talking about, then you would have known Wilder was celebrating holiday in the UK and has never been in Russia at all. On top of that he was more fat as ever before, as well as after since he knew the fight would never happen because of the testresults back in 2015. Tyson currently isn't even allowed to fight, so ofcourse Wilder challenges him, Wilder challenges every top contender if he knows beforehand that the fight won't happen, he has allways done that, it's a repetative thing with him. It's not assumpion any more, if Wilder is scheduled to fight a bum, or the top contender is going to fight someone else, then Wilder will all of a sudden challenge exactly that top contender.
*and about that couple of years ago thing, Wilder and his team never expected Hughie to accept since his family was busy with Tyson and Klitschko, several members of the Fury family aren't allowed to travel to America and Hughie was 19, or 20 years old at the time. The offer was only made to annoy and tease for in the media, not to actually fight, that would be way to risky for Wilder and his team.

asdfjkl wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: That's what I said, Wilder probably once again knew beforehand that Hughy wouldn't accept since he was busy with Parker, he does that all the time.

I don't care what happened a couple years ago. I'm talking about 2 months ago. It was up to Tyson to pick. You are full of assumptions aren't you. Tyson had the choiceof Parker or Wilder. So, you believe Wilder threw his name in the mix because he knew Hughie was going to pick Parker? Really? I'll bet you also believe that Wilder wasted time and effort to fly to Russia and prepare for the Povetkin bout knowing that he wasn't going to be fighting Povetkin all along, don't you?

Well if you actually knew what you were talking about, then you would have known Wilder was celebrating holiday in the UK and has never been in Russia at all. On top of that he was more fat as ever before, as well as after since he knew the fight would never happen because of the testresults back in 2015. Tyson currently isn't even allowed to fight, so ofcourse Wilder challenges him, Wilder challenges every top contender if he knows beforehand that the fight won't happen, he has allways done that, it's a repetative thing with him. It's not assumpion any more, if Wilder is scheduled to fight a bum, or the top contender is going to fight someone else, then Wilder will all of a sudden challenge exactly that top contender.
*and about that couple of years ago thing, Wilder and his team never expected Hughie to accept since his family was busy with Tyson and Klitschko, several members of the Fury family aren't allowed to travel to America and Hughie was 19, or 20 years old at the time. The offer was only made to annoy and tease for in the media, not to actually fight, that would be way to risky for Wilder and his team.

Well hell, if I were them I would take Wilder to court and sue him. Wait, they already tried that, and lost. Wilder flew across the pond to prepare, but didn't go into Russia. Smart move. I hear they eat a lot of tainted horse meat over there and fail drug tests because of it.

asdfjkl wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: That's what I said, Wilder probably once again knew beforehand that Hughy wouldn't accept since he was busy with Parker, he does that all the time.

I don't care what happened a couple years ago. I'm talking about 2 months ago. It was up to Tyson to pick. You are full of assumptions aren't you. Tyson had the choiceof Parker or Wilder. So, you believe Wilder threw his name in the mix because he knew Hughie was going to pick Parker? Really? I'll bet you also believe that Wilder wasted time and effort to fly to Russia and prepare for the Povetkin bout knowing that he wasn't going to be fighting Povetkin all along, don't you?

Well if you actually knew what you were talking about, then you would have known Wilder was celebrating holiday in the UK and has never been in Russia at all. On top of that he was more fat as ever before, as well as after since he knew the fight would never happen because of the testresults back in 2015. Tyson currently isn't even allowed to fight, so ofcourse Wilder challenges him, Wilder challenges every top contender if he knows beforehand that the fight won't happen, he has allways done that, it's a repetative thing with him. It's not assumpion any more, if Wilder is scheduled to fight a bum, or the top contender is going to fight someone else, then Wilder will all of a sudden challenge exactly that top contender.
*and about that couple of years ago thing, Wilder and his team never expected Hughie to accept since his family was busy with Tyson and Klitschko, several members of the Fury family aren't allowed to travel to America and Hughie was 19, or 20 years old at the time. The offer was only made to annoy and tease for in the media, not to actually fight, that would be way to risky for Wilder and his team.

Wow! Wilder must be a huge thorn in your side then. He's the current reigning champ while your more deserving buddy is sitting with no title and unfounded drug charges. Sucks to be a Povetkin fan. Look on the bright side, this whole ordeal probably saved Povetkin an embarrassing ass whooping anyhow.

Badhusker wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: I don't care what happened a couple years ago. I'm talking about 2 months ago. It was up to Tyson to pick. You are full of assumptions aren't you. Tyson had the choiceof Parker or Wilder. So, you believe Wilder threw his name in the mix because he knew Hughie was going to pick Parker? Really? I'll bet you also believe that Wilder wasted time and effort to fly to Russia and prepare for the Povetkin bout knowing that he wasn't going to be fighting Povetkin all along, don't you?

Well if you actually knew what you were talking about, then you would have known Wilder was celebrating holiday in the UK and has never been in Russia at all. On top of that he was more fat as ever before, as well as after since he knew the fight would never happen because of the testresults back in 2015. Tyson currently isn't even allowed to fight, so ofcourse Wilder challenges him, Wilder challenges every top contender if he knows beforehand that the fight won't happen, he has allways done that, it's a repetative thing with him. It's not assumpion any more, if Wilder is scheduled to fight a bum, or the top contender is going to fight someone else, then Wilder will all of a sudden challenge exactly that top contender.
*and about that couple of years ago thing, Wilder and his team never expected Hughie to accept since his family was busy with Tyson and Klitschko, several members of the Fury family aren't allowed to travel to America and Hughie was 19, or 20 years old at the time. The offer was only made to annoy and tease for in the media, not to actually fight, that would be way to risky for Wilder and his team.

Well hell, if I were them I would take Wilder to court and sue him. Wait, they already tried that, and lost. Wilder flew across the pond to prepare, but didn't go into Russia. Smart move. I hear they eat a lot of tainted horse meat over there and fail drug tests because of it.

Tainted horsemeat usually happens on the American side of the ocean lol, ask Ortiz. Wilder didn't prepare, he was celebrating holiday and was more fat as he has ever been at the time.

Impractical Poster wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Wilder never flew to Russia.

I thought he did. My bad.

His flight was the next day, he was in the UK for weeks. The flight was paid for, but he'll get it all back from ryabinsky soon enough.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Wilder never flew to Russia.

I thought he did. My bad.

His flight was the next day, he was in the UK for weeks. The flight was paid for, but he'll get it all back from ryabinsky soon enough.

I had read that he'd traveled somewhere outside the states to get a head start on some acclimating abroad, or something to that effect. I obviously didn't read much into it as I assumed he was in Russia when the debacle arose. Either way, sounds like he was fully vested in the fight up until the point of the failed result. These talks of him doing all this for posture is ridiculous.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Wilder never flew to Russia.

I thought he did. My bad.

His flight was the next day, he was in the UK for weeks. The flight was paid for, but he'll get it all back from ryabinsky soon enough.

Oh really? Was the flight payed for? That's new to me.
As far as I know Wilder flew back home from his holiday even before the WBC made any statement at all. Later Povetkin indeed turned out to be an innocent men, as expected.

Impractical Poster wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: I thought he did. My bad.

His flight was the next day, he was in the UK for weeks. The flight was paid for, but he'll get it all back from ryabinsky soon enough.

I had read that he'd traveled somewhere outside the states to get a head start on some acclimating abroad, or something to that effect. I obviously didn't read much into it as I assumed he was in Russia when the debacle arose. Either way, sounds like he was fully vested in the fight up until the point of the failed result. These talks of him doing all this for posture is ridiculous.

As most boxing fans are as sharp as a bowling ball, it's toughest to pinpoint the dumbest shit I've ever read. That crusade is definitely in the running. I read a poster who's opinion I respect tell me that wilder isn't confident yesterday. It's making me a fan.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: His flight was the next day, he was in the UK for weeks. The flight was paid for, but he'll get it all back from ryabinsky soon enough.

I had read that he'd traveled somewhere outside the states to get a head start on some acclimating abroad, or something to that effect. I obviously didn't read much into it as I assumed he was in Russia when the debacle arose. Either way, sounds like he was fully vested in the fight up until the point of the failed result. These talks of him doing all this for posture is ridiculous.

As most boxing fans are as sharp as a bowling ball, it's toughest to pinpoint the dumbest poo I've ever read. That crusade is definitely in the running. I read a poster who's opinion I respect tell me that wilder isn't confident yesterday. It's making me a fan.

Tell me about it. With all the hate flying around, I can't help but root for the guy.

Impractical Poster wrote: Tell me about it. With all the hate flying around, I can't help but root for the guy.

so critique on wilder's ducking provides
him with underdog status? funny logic.

man wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: Tell me about it. With all the hate flying around, I can't help but root for the guy.

so critique on wilder's ducking provides
him with underdog status? funny logic.

Who called him an underdog?

I just find the level of hate unjustified and ridiculous. He tried to make a couple solid fights. Just didn't pan out. I am not giving the guy a pass. I think all boxers should challenge themselves each and every time they fight. But, that's not a reality in this sport. And Wilder has definitely fallen behind the curve with who he has, or rather, has not been facing.

I was indifferent to him, like I am to all titles and fighters taking part in mismatches. This whole wilder is to blame for Povetkin makes me want to see him do well.

I have a bigger problem with the lame fights than with a few internet posters being overly critical of him. I guess you guys really let the trolls get to you.

Povetkin didn't force him into those years of mismatches prior to the ordeal, nor did he force him into the subsequently scheduled fights with Wawrzyk and Washington. But the lack of amateur experience! But the injury! But Povetkin! But the injury again! Whatever, I hope that some time soon he finally steps into the ring with an elite HW; in my opinion he hasn't even fought someone as good as the Bryant Jennings who lost to Wlad and Ortiz. Hell, Chisora already KOd Scott, and I'd give him a great shot against everyone else Deontay's faced.

Nah man, I'm old as fornicate. I have no emotional ties these days. I'm just clinging to the sport. That's why I post and that's why I'm proud to announce I'm a wilder fan!

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Nah man, I'm old as eff. I have no emotional ties these days. I'm just clinging to the sport. That's why I post and that's why I'm proud to announce I'm a wilder fan!

I am with you at this point, Saad love to see Wilder put the division to sleep at this point (still think he's one solid shot away from The Hitman Shuffle though).