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nitro5912 wrote:telling the world skint

Haye is hardly skint. He reportedly made £1 million for each of his fights last year on the Dave Channel.

Bellew said in The Gloves Are Off that Haye will make twice what he made against "the 2 bums" - so Haye could be earning up to £4 million for this fight.

I wish that I was as "skint" as him.

Crease wrote:

nitro5912 wrote:telling the world skint

Haye is hardly skint. He reportedly made £1 million for each of his fights last year on the Dave Channel.

Bellew said in The Gloves Are Off that Haye will make twice what he made against "the 2 bums" - so Haye could be earning up to £4 million for this fight.

I wish that I was as "skint" as him.

Well tell bomber that then because he keeps telling the world haye is desperate for a payday because he is skint.

Bellew is a walking contradiction

First time I've seen Haye properly lose his rag, yesterday. So if Bellew's plan is to get him angry then he's probably got his wish. Although I expect Haye to revert to his usual calm by the time the bell rings.

I can't blame Haye for losing it, either. Those in the crowd just constantly shouting over the presser were annoying as hell. Add in Bellew repeating the same words over and over on the mic while you talk and you're gonna lose your mind at some point.

As for the fight, baring an injury, I see no way for Bellew to win. Haye holds all the advantages in skill, experience, power and size. His only negative being inactivity and of course past injuries.

Bellew is usually better when he takes the fight to his opponent, but that would play into Haye's hands. If he retreats in to his shell as I expect, he'll get busted up before getting dropped at some point. He will then try swinging for the fences a la Chisora and get flattened.

nitro5912 wrote:Well tell bomber that then because he keeps telling the world haye is desperate for a payday because he is skint.
Bellew is a walking contradiction

Agreed. But I wouldn't be stupid enough to try talking to Bellew again. The man is a dullard and a bully.

youngrell wrote:First time I've seen Haye properly lose his rag, yesterday. So if Bellew's plan is to get him angry then he's probably got his wish. Although I expect Haye to revert to his usual calm by the time the bell rings.

I can't blame Haye for losing it, either. Those in the crowd just constantly shouting over the presser were annoying as hell. Add in Bellew repeating the same words over and over on the mic while you talk and you're gonna lose your mind at some point.

As for the fight, baring an injury, I see no way for Bellew to win. Haye holds all the advantages in skill, experience, power and size. His only negative being inactivity and of course past injuries.

Bellew is usually better when he takes the fight to his opponent, but that would play into Haye's hands. If he retreats in to his shell as I expect, he'll get busted up before getting dropped at some point. He will then try swinging for the fences a la Chisora and get flattened.

What I took from watching that press conference is that Bellew's fans are a bunch of pudenda, Hearn's a twat, Bellew himself is really horrible and annoying and I really, really want to see Haye beat him up and knock him out.

If Bellew were to somehow win it would honestly be unbearable.

nothing at all.

Riddick Blowe wrote:nothing at all.

Nothing? I think he can try and time a haye attack, drop to a knee and get starched while he's down. Even if he's not starched and he can try a Dirrell. How funny would it be listening to him talk about eviscerating the monster after that?

Aside from a lucky monster punch (which is rather unlikely, as Bellew was too terrified to throw against Stevenson so eff knows how he'll manage it against Haye), I don't see any way Bellew can win.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:nothing at all.

Nothing? I think he can try and time a haye attack, drop to a knee and get starched while he's down. Even if he's not starched and he can try a Dirrell. How funny would it be listening to him talk about eviscerating the monster after that?

Hahahaha

Having watched Haye's workout, I'd have concerns about his stamina were he fighting one of the top heavies, but he's never looked more explosive. And considering his weight, he still has fantastic handspeed.

All roads seem to lead to him coming out throwing absolute bombs, so my only serious answer to this thread-title's question: hope that Haye pops his shoulder during his first salvo. Just tuck-up for the first minute and pray.

If Bellew were more popular we'd be calling this bout a travesty.

The bottom line on how Bellew can win this fight all comes down to question marks on what Haye has left in the tank. A younger, fitter, fresher Haye murders him every day of the week, we all know that, the only reason for this discussion is doubts over Haye's age and ring rust. We have seen so little of him over the past 4 years, add to that his shoulder opp and that he is now 36, and there are grounds for serious concern. Is he still the same fighter, hiw far might he have slipped?

Its a guessing game, and in it lies Bellews chances.

And they are still slim, very slim

Bellew needs to keep an eye on his left hand to make sure he doesn't let Haye land a clean left hook that he doesn't see, like in the press conference. He needs to avoid the overhand right, straight right and right hook. He needs to make sure he doesn't just tuck up and not fire anything to give the ref no opportunity to call it off.

In general, he needs to avoid being punched and also try to punch. I don't think he can do both.

Run at Haye from the first bell. I mean just charge at him. When he is close enough to him get him in a big bear hug so Haye can't hit him. Then manoeuvre his arms so he can get Haye in a chicken wing rugby tackle and put as much pressure on that dodgy shoulder as possible. It's also worth a few stamps on that dodgy toe whilst in said clinch.

Rinse and repeat for 12 rounds and hope that Haye has to retire at some point.

freddydoesdallas wrote:Bellew needs to keep an eye on his left hand to make sure he doesn't let Haye land a clean left hook that he doesn't see, like in the press conference. He needs to avoid the overhand right, straight right and right hook. He needs to make sure he doesn't just tuck up and not fire anything to give the ref no opportunity to call it off.

In general, he needs to avoid being punched and also try to punch. I don't think he can do both.

Hmmmm sounds he like should try boxing out there.

He should be super defensive. High guard and constant movement. Run run run. Throw odd jabs and even fewer straight rights. Last 12 and hope for some Hearn magic.

Old Jack J wrote:get Haye in a chicken wing rugby tackle and put as much pressure on that dodgy shoulder as possible. It's also worth a few stamps on that dodgy toe whilst in said clinch.

Top-drawer tactics!

Following the sad news about Dean Francis, I found and rewatched his fight against Undra White on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4RHgpzMb5E

Haye's always struck me as a bigger version of Francis — a menacing, quiet intensity as fighters — and they're both well-known as serious punchers. So what if lightning strikes twice? If Bellew starts ducking for his life and Haye half-catches him, pulling his shoulder back out with that same awkward rebound...

I've money on Haye, and this is the only thing that's causing me doubt.

Supremo wrote:Mind this place used to be a serious boxing forum that discussed serious boxing topics?

Ok, seriously....

Bellew can't outbox Haye as Haye is a the faster and better boxer. If Bellew adopts this approach and runs he may last a few rounds but basically having Haye stalk you in delaying the inevitable.

So..... Hands up, chin down, and close the distance. Walk forward right to Haye's chest and stay there. This neutralises Haye's power - all punchers require distance to generate their power (unless your Bruce Lee and can knock someone out with a 2inch punch!) sit tight on his chest, tuck up and work the body when you can.

Take Haye into the deep waters and try to drown him in the mid to latter part of the fight when he will inevitably gas due to stamina issues, he had them early on in his career and isn't suddenly going to be immune to them after a 3 year break!

After round 8, openings will be there... Start to use phase two of the plan.

Stop working the body, Haye should be feeling the heat by now n move your target from the body to the head. Circle to your right constantly, thus taking a slight edge of the power if Haye was to catch you with a big right handed, prime yourself for this shot (Hayes reflexes should be a little slower by now) try to anticipate this, duck under it and roll to your left and unleash a left hook.

Bingo! Hope Dave Coldwell doesnt read this thread as I'm on Haye round 1-3.

But there you go kids.... This is how you win.

Boxerbeetle wrote:Bellew was too terrified to throw against Stevenson so eff knows how he'll manage it against HayE.

I agree, however after all his gobbing off to Haye he has surely got be pro-active at least and not rely on his old "using my boxing skills / boxing to orders" bollox, otherwise he is going to look a right dick.

he has to rough him up, live on his chest and infight.

Take hatton vs Kostya as the blue print.

As alluded to here he gives haye space its Goodnight Irene, Rayleen, and Joleen.

bripez wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:Bellew was too terrified to throw against Stevenson so eff knows how he'll manage it against HayE.

I agree, however after all his gobbing off to Haye he has surely got be pro-active at least and not rely on his old "using my boxing skills / boxing to orders" bollox, otherwise he is going to look a right dick.

Never stopped him before!

dookus wrote:

bripez wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:Bellew was too terrified to throw against Stevenson so eff knows how he'll manage it against HayE.

I agree, however after all his gobbing off to Haye he has surely got be pro-active at least and not rely on his old "using my boxing skills / boxing to orders" bollox, otherwise he is going to look a right dick.

Never stopped him before!

Just watched the weigh in, Bellew said he is going to box on the back foot for 4 rounds then when Haye has gassed he's going to make him quit. Either Bellew is lying and using a bit of kidology or him and coldwell have gone up with he most suicidally optimistic tactics possible.

Kilsby wrote:

Supremo wrote:Mind this place used to be a serious boxing forum that discussed serious boxing topics?

Ok, seriously....

Bellew can't outbox Haye as Haye is a the faster and better boxer. If Bellew adopts this approach and runs he may last a few rounds but basically having Haye stalk you in delaying the inevitable.

So..... Hands up, chin down, and close the distance. Walk forward right to Haye's chest and stay there. This neutralises Haye's power - all punchers require distance to generate their power (unless your Bruce Lee and can knock someone out with a 2inch punch!) sit tight on his chest, tuck up and work the body when you can.

Take Haye into the deep waters and try to drown him in the mid to latter part of the fight when he will inevitably gas due to stamina issues, he had them early on in his career and isn't suddenly going to be immune to them after a 3 year break!

After round 8, openings will be there... Start to use phase two of the plan.

Stop working the body, Haye should be feeling the heat by now n move your target from the body to the head. Circle to your right constantly, thus taking a slight edge of the power if Haye was to catch you with a big right handed, prime yourself for this shot (Hayes reflexes should be a little slower by now) try to anticipate this, duck under it and roll to your left and unleash a left hook.

Bingo! Hope Dave Coldwell doesnt read this thread as I'm on Haye round 1-3.

But there you go kids.... This is how you win.

So do this for 8 rounds, ye?

DazDiCanio wrote:

Kilsby wrote:

Supremo wrote:Mind this place used to be a serious boxing forum that discussed serious boxing topics?

Ok, seriously....

Bellew can't outbox Haye as Haye is a the faster and better boxer. If Bellew adopts this approach and runs he may last a few rounds but basically having Haye stalk you in delaying the inevitable.

So..... Hands up, chin down, and close the distance. Walk forward right to Haye's chest and stay there. This neutralises Haye's power - all punchers require distance to generate their power (unless your Bruce Lee and can knock someone out with a 2inch punch!) sit tight on his chest, tuck up and work the body when you can.

Take Haye into the deep waters and try to drown him in the mid to latter part of the fight when he will inevitably gas due to stamina issues, he had them early on in his career and isn't suddenly going to be immune to them after a 3 year break!

After round 8, openings will be there... Start to use phase two of the plan.

Stop working the body, Haye should be feeling the heat by now n move your target from the body to the head. Circle to your right constantly, thus taking a slight edge of the power if Haye was to catch you with a big right handed, prime yourself for this shot (Hayes reflexes should be a little slower by now) try to anticipate this, duck under it and roll to your left and unleash a left hook.

Bingo! Hope Dave Coldwell doesnt read this thread as I'm on Haye round 1-3.

But there you go kids.... This is how you win.

So do this for 8 rounds, ye?

^^^
Yes. He needs to stay out of danger to Haye shoots his bolt. He needs to sit on his chest, its the safest place for him to be.

When he physically starts to blow that's when phase 2 should start. If it takes 8 rds it takes 8 rds, maybe 10.... Who knows?

Haye may be blowing out his ass after 5

But as a tactical plan against a puncher, this takes Haye by surprise (stepping to him) and takes away 50% of his power as he cant lever his punches.

Maybe throw a few uppercuts while he's inside.

What's your game plan Einstein?

Finn wrote:Just watched the weigh in, Bellew said he is going to box on the back foot for 4 rounds then when Haye has gassed he's going to make him quit. Either Bellew is lying and using a bit of kidology or him and coldwell have gone up with he most suicidally optimistic tactics possible.

One thing Bellew is not, is subtle. If he says that's what he's going to try to do, then it probably is.