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IT wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:Overrated: Ruiz Jr., Whyte, Breazeale, Chisora, Ortiz

Underrated: Wach, Pulev, Jennings, Hammer

Some interesting picks there. I can't see how Jennings is underrated and Ortiz is Overrated based on the nature of how Ortiz dealt with Jennings. Wach and Hammer are interesting ones aswell. Wach barely scraped past Teper who is no longer filled with chemical enhancers and he barely beat Nascimento who is terrible.

The Hammer choice is equally intriguing. His two best wins are again a declawed Teper and secondly a Price who was never any good to begin and lost against every significant opponent he faced.

When is the last time you heard anyone mention Jennings in any conversation about good heavies? Jennings is a good fighter and has a real chance against a lot of top contenders and title holders. That is the definition of underrated; his name never comes up. On the flip side, people have been calling Ortiz the best HW in the division. He's done nothing to prove he's top ten aside from the win over Jennings which means he's better than that one specific fighter.

Same with Wach and Hammer, both are considered Euro level guys when both are clearly at the lower echelon of world level. Wach would be Wilder or Parkers best opponent if they fought, and he'd be AJ's second best behind Wlad. Hammer is a better boxer than given credit for; I'd take him against Stiverne, Molina, Duhaupas, or Martin who have all landed title shots.

samdance wrote:AJ overrated with casuals and underrated with hardcore fans.
Povetkin underrated his loss to wlad was the worst case of holding I've ever seen

Anthony Joshua is neither overrated nor is he underrated , the opinion about him by most fans is spot on.
He is accepted as a very good young Fighter by most Fans.

Povetkin is overrated , every time he will get a better Opponent, he will have tremendous Problems.
It seems like he is scared of Fighters who can Punch and is scared of taking a Punch, you can see that in his
Fight with Marco Huck for example or Wladimir Klitschko.
He is a great Technician , but nothing more , he will never be a real Champion in my opinion

Niko1209 wrote:

samdance wrote:AJ overrated with casuals and underrated with hardcore fans.
Povetkin underrated his loss to wlad was the worst case of holding I've ever seen

Anthony Joshua is neither overrated nor is he underrated , the opinion about him by most fans is spot on.
He is accepted as a very good young Fighter by most Fans.

Povetkin is overrated , every time he will get a better Opponent, he will have tremendous Problems.
It seems like he is scared of Fighters who can Punch and is scared of taking a Punch, you can see that in his
Fight with Marco Huck for example or Wladimir Klitschko.
He is a great Technician , but nothing more , he will never be a real Champion in my opinion

Believe me aj is very overrated by casuals, ask a casual brit who would win aj or a prime wlad and see what they say.
In regards to pov; a "great technician" will be successful in amongst this crop of athletic limited technicians

samdance wrote:

Niko1209 wrote:

samdance wrote:AJ overrated with casuals and underrated with hardcore fans.
Povetkin underrated his loss to wlad was the worst case of holding I've ever seen

Anthony Joshua is neither overrated nor is he underrated , the opinion about him by most fans is spot on.
He is accepted as a very good young Fighter by most Fans.

Povetkin is overrated , every time he will get a better Opponent, he will have tremendous Problems.
It seems like he is scared of Fighters who can Punch and is scared of taking a Punch, you can see that in his
Fight with Marco Huck for example or Wladimir Klitschko.
He is a great Technician , but nothing more , he will never be a real Champion in my opinion

Believe me aj is very overrated by casuals, ask a casual brit who would win aj or a prime wlad and see what they say.
In regards to pov; a "great technician" will be successful in amongst this crop of athletic limited technicians

haha, yeah i know some brits think that AJ will win that Fight in the first Round with a brutal Knockout , i personally think
that it will be a relatively close Fight , but it think outside of the UK he is not really that overrated , maybe slightly , i can see
your point

Niko1209 wrote:I think the most overrated are Kubrat Pulev and Alexander Povetkin.


Pulev was wrecked by Wladimir Klitschko and only fights absolute Chumps , he is clumsy and has not a great Punch , he has a Knockout rate of only 52 % against D-Level Opposition and will fight next against Kevin Johnson , which is ridiculous.


Povetkin nearly lost against Marco Huck , he also was absolutely dominated by Wladimir Klitschko , he fights only Bums and Cab Drivers , he fought against Manuel Charr , who is a Disgrace to the Sport of Boxing , absolutely terrible .
Despite being a small Heavyweight , he is not really fast , has no Stamina and is lumbering and not really enjoyable to watch , also that guy has absolutely zero Charisma

I think both of them would lose against Klitschko,Joshua,Ortiz,Wilder,Fury and even Haye , i think Chisora and Whyte also has a good Chance to beat them

Underrated in my opinion are :

Deontay Wilder , because he is called overrated so many times , that People tend to underrate him , he fought only Bums like Pulev and Povetkin but dominated and won his Fights convincingly , he has unbelievable Power in his right Hand and could serve Problems to any Heavyweight Fighter on the Planet.

Tyson Fury , he is a very good Fighter with excellent Movement for his Height, he has a decent Punch and his technical Ability is underrated .
People tend to underrate him because he is not really enjoyable to watch and doesnt really look like a top Athlete.

David Haye , is criminally underrated in my Opinion , at Cruiserweight ,he was by far the best Fighter of his era and unified the Division.
At the Heavyweight Division , he has a decent win against Valuev, who was 100 Pounds heavier and a lot taller than him , he knocked Chisora out, who has one of the best Chins in the Heavyweight Division ,also he has tremendous Hand Speed, Movement and Power and is a great Athlete , People tend to underrate him because he fought a lot of Bums in his Career and lost against Klitschko in 2011, who was in his Prime and nearly unbeatable .
Despite what a lot of People think , he did not that bad against Klitschko

Wilder underrated? I think he's rated just about right: most people think he's one of the worst HW champions in that he fought hardly anyone to get his shot and still hasn't faced a mandatory challenger...

I agree with you about Haye, his CW era has been overshadowed by all his HW shenanigans such as fight cancellations, the injured toe; etc. but he did beat a very good fighter in Mormeck away from home.

Most overrated HW in my opinion is Ortiz, I just don't get the hype...

IT wrote:

world ranked wrote:Overrated: Big Baby Miller, Wilder, Hughie Fury
Underrated: Pulev

How is Miller overrated? I barely see his name mentioned at all.

People love his post about a potential fight with Luis Ortiz and few podcast I listen to seem to mention him as threat to the division without really fighting anyone.

chinarich wrote:

Niko1209 wrote:I think the most overrated are Kubrat Pulev and Alexander Povetkin.


Pulev was wrecked by Wladimir Klitschko and only fights absolute Chumps , he is clumsy and has not a great Punch , he has a Knockout rate of only 52 % against D-Level Opposition and will fight next against Kevin Johnson , which is ridiculous.


Povetkin nearly lost against Marco Huck , he also was absolutely dominated by Wladimir Klitschko , he fights only Bums and Cab Drivers , he fought against Manuel Charr , who is a Disgrace to the Sport of Boxing , absolutely terrible .
Despite being a small Heavyweight , he is not really fast , has no Stamina and is lumbering and not really enjoyable to watch , also that guy has absolutely zero Charisma

I think both of them would lose against Klitschko,Joshua,Ortiz,Wilder,Fury and even Haye , i think Chisora and Whyte also has a good Chance to beat them

Underrated in my opinion are :

Deontay Wilder , because he is called overrated so many times , that People tend to underrate him , he fought only Bums like Pulev and Povetkin but dominated and won his Fights convincingly , he has unbelievable Power in his right Hand and could serve Problems to any Heavyweight Fighter on the Planet.

Tyson Fury , he is a very good Fighter with excellent Movement for his Height, he has a decent Punch and his technical Ability is underrated .
People tend to underrate him because he is not really enjoyable to watch and doesnt really look like a top Athlete.

David Haye , is criminally underrated in my Opinion , at Cruiserweight ,he was by far the best Fighter of his era and unified the Division.
At the Heavyweight Division , he has a decent win against Valuev, who was 100 Pounds heavier and a lot taller than him , he knocked Chisora out, who has one of the best Chins in the Heavyweight Division ,also he has tremendous Hand Speed, Movement and Power and is a great Athlete , People tend to underrate him because he fought a lot of Bums in his Career and lost against Klitschko in 2011, who was in his Prime and nearly unbeatable .
Despite what a lot of People think , he did not that bad against Klitschko

Wilder underrated? I think he's rated just about right: most people think he's one of the worst HW champions in that he fought hardly anyone to get his shot and still hasn't faced a mandatory challenger...

I agree with you about Haye, his CW era has been overshadowed by all his HW shenanigans such as fight cancellations, the injured toe; etc. but he did beat a very good fighter in Mormeck away from home.

Most overrated HW in my opinion is Ortiz, I just don't get the hype...

I definitely can see your Point about Wilder, but i dont think of him being overrated , because he gets a lot of hate from People ,
in my opinion he has more haters than fans.

David Haye seems for most People today like he is a joke or something and many People make fun of him.
These People ignore his Abilities completely , and i think this is very sad.
Because he was a great Fighter back in the day , which People seem to have forgotten about , he was unbelievably fast and powerful
and his Chin is very underrated by some so called experts , he was definitely one of my favourite Fighters , he was great to watch

Overrated: Luis Ortiz - Ever since he came off his PEDs suspension to wreck Bryant Jennings folks have been hailing him as one of the top two or three heavies on the planet & I just can't see it. Since that time, he looked like dog shite against both an old, worn out Tony Thompson & an uncombative Malik Scott. Sure, he looks to have exceptional power, but he's as slow as molasses in January & easy to hit. And, he hasn't faced a big puncher yet, so we have no idea about his chin.

Bryant Jennings - Sure, he showed some skill in lasting the distance against a rather disinterested Wladimir, but other than that he's done nothing. Then, he was blown away by Ortiz in his next fight & has followed up on that with going on two years worth of inactivity.

Anthony Joshua - Yes, he's been exceptionally impressive thus far, but until he beats Wlad, I'm going to say that he's a bit overrated based on his accomplishments thus far.

Christian Hammer - While he's coming off of a couple of decent wins, I just can't get his dismal showing against Tyson Fury out of my mind.

Underrated: Deontay Wilder - Yes, the number of live bodies on his resume thus far is somewhat lacking, but other than one brief stunned moment vs hard hitting Molina & a handful of lackluster rounds early on against "The Pin" & Washington, all Wilder's done is win. By KO. So, for as much shite as he takes, I'm placing him in this category.

Dominick Breazeale - Say what you will about him, he's a durable, dangerous, exciting fighter. And, there's no shame in losing to Joshua.

Wladimir Klitschko - Many folks have written him off & are saying that he has no chance vs Joshua, but I think we may be in for a surprise. If he's in his best possible shape physically, mentally & emotionally, he could pull the upset.

sweetviolenturge wrote:Overrated: Luis Ortiz - Ever since he came off his PEDs suspension to wreck Bryant Jennings folks have been hailing him as one of the top two or three heavies on the planet & I just can't see it. Since that time, he looked like dog shite against both an old, worn out Tony Thompson & an uncombative Malik Scott. Sure, he looks to have exceptional power, but he's as slow as molasses in January & easy to hit. And, he hasn't faced a big puncher yet, so we have no idea about his chin.

Bryant Jennings - Sure, he showed some skill in lasting the distance against a rather disinterested Wladimir, but other than that he's done nothing. Then, he was blown away by Ortiz in his next fight & has followed up on that with going on two years worth of inactivity.

Anthony Joshua - Yes, he's been exceptionally impressive thus far, but until he beats Wlad, I'm going to say that he's a bit overrated based on his accomplishments thus far.

Christian Hammer - While he's coming off of a couple of decent wins, I just can't get his dismal showing against Tyson Fury out of my mind.

Underrated: Deontay Wilder - Yes, the number of live bodies on his resume thus far is somewhat lacking, but other than one brief stunned moment vs hard hitting Molina & a handful of lackluster rounds early on against "The Pin" & Washington, all Wilder's done is win. By KO. So, for as much shite as he takes, I'm placing him in this category.

Dominick Breazeale - Say what you will about him, he's a durable, dangerous, exciting fighter. And, there's no shame in losing to Joshua.

Wladimir Klitschko - Many folks have written him off & are saying that he has no chance vs Joshua, but I think we may be in for a surprise. If he's in his best possible shape physically, mentally & emotionally, he could pull the upset.

I don't really get Jennings and Hammer...who is talking about them? I hadn't heard Jennings name in forever before I posted him, so I'm not sure how he's being overrated. Same with Hammer; are people talking him up? I haven't seen it.

I 100% agree on Ortiz though.

Jennings has been rated just fine in my opinion. I don't think many people are acting like he still has the same credibility that he did when he was active and winning a few years ago, beating the likes of Fedosov, Perez, and Szpilka, the last of whom he easily stopped. What he did back then deserved to be respected relative to what other active fighters in the division had accomplished.

As mentioned, he doesn't get discussed too much these days.

Tanzio wrote:To answer the original dual question;

Wlad.

There does seem to be very little middle ground with Wlad. When I read discussions about him, I get the sense that pretty much everyone who comments is either a fan or a detractor; I'd be in the first group.

underrated: Carlos Takam

punchoutsb wrote:

sweetviolenturge wrote:Overrated: Luis Ortiz - Ever since he came off his PEDs suspension to wreck Bryant Jennings folks have been hailing him as one of the top two or three heavies on the planet & I just can't see it. Since that time, he looked like dog shite against both an old, worn out Tony Thompson & an uncombative Malik Scott. Sure, he looks to have exceptional power, but he's as slow as molasses in January & easy to hit. And, he hasn't faced a big puncher yet, so we have no idea about his chin.

Bryant Jennings - Sure, he showed some skill in lasting the distance against a rather disinterested Wladimir, but other than that he's done nothing. Then, he was blown away by Ortiz in his next fight & has followed up on that with going on two years worth of inactivity.

Anthony Joshua - Yes, he's been exceptionally impressive thus far, but until he beats Wlad, I'm going to say that he's a bit overrated based on his accomplishments thus far.

Christian Hammer - While he's coming off of a couple of decent wins, I just can't get his dismal showing against Tyson Fury out of my mind.

Underrated: Deontay Wilder - Yes, the number of live bodies on his resume thus far is somewhat lacking, but other than one brief stunned moment vs hard hitting Molina & a handful of lackluster rounds early on against "The Pin" & Washington, all Wilder's done is win. By KO. So, for as much shite as he takes, I'm placing him in this category.

Dominick Breazeale - Say what you will about him, he's a durable, dangerous, exciting fighter. And, there's no shame in losing to Joshua.

Wladimir Klitschko - Many folks have written him off & are saying that he has no chance vs Joshua, but I think we may be in for a surprise. If he's in his best possible shape physically, mentally & emotionally, he could pull the upset.

I don't really get Jennings and Hammer...who is talking about them? I hadn't heard Jennings name in forever before I posted him, so I'm not sure how he's being overrated. Same with Hammer; are people talking him up? I haven't seen it.

I 100% agree on Ortiz though.

You're right. He hasn't been mentioned much lately.
My including him was more of an illustration of how overrated I think Ortiz is at the moment rather than his current status. Fair observation.
As for Hammer, he'd come up a couple of times as underrated earlier in this thread, so I was responding to that.

crusader wrote:

Tanzio wrote:To answer the original dual question;

Wlad.

There does seem to be very little middle ground with Wlad. When I read discussions about him, I get the sense that pretty much everyone who comments is either a fan or a detractor; I'd be in the first group.

Obviously, me too.
I have hopes for him vs Joshua.
I tend to think he was under-motivated vs both Bryant & Fury & think that at his age, he may yet have one more great effort in him. Joshua, to me, is still too green & has never had to deal with a jab & power like Wlad possesses.
But, I'm also fearing an early KO loss to the young, active, power puncher.
We shall see...

I think the most underrated are Kubrat Pulev and Alexander Povetkin.


Povetkin won against Marco Huck despite suffering from the hunger knock, his only loss was against a cheating Wladimir Klitschko who hugged him from start till end, but didn't get disqualified, like he should be. Povetkin fights close near only top contenders, or against guys people claim he can't handle. Despite being a small heavyweight, he is very fast, probably has the best stamina in the division and is very enjoyable to watch and has a very hard punch, even in the later rounds, he's also very charming, sadly most people in the world can't speak Russian, so don't understand him.

I do think both of them would lose against Klitschko, Joshua, Ortiz, and Fury

Overrated in my opinion are :

Deontay Wilder, people tend to overrate him, he fought only bums, unlike Pulev and Povetkin but still didn't win his fights convincingly, he has a lack of power, which is the reason he doesn't fight top contenders, despite this lack of power, he still often breaks his own hand, because he doesn't have a good boxing technic and could serve problems against any serious heavyweight fighter on the planet.

Tyson Fury, he's good, very good, but if his opponents dare to come closer to him he's not that dominating any more. He's still a very good fighter with excellent movement for his height, he has a weak punch, but his technical ability and stamina is underrated .
People tend to underrate him because he is not really enjoyable to watch, because he doesn't allways KO, says odd things and doesnt really look like a top athlete.

David Haye, is criminally overrated in my opinion, I even said a couple of months ago, that a good cruiserweight good probably handle him, he was by far the worst heavyweight champion of the world this recent era and only looked like decent because of his fanbase and charms, he's a tipical paper champion. At the Heavyweight Division, he had an unfair win against Valuev, who had pain in all his bones and even should have lost the fight before against a 46!!! year old Evender Holyfield, who already lost many of his fights before. Daffy knocked Chisora out, but let's get real, Chisora was out of shape, actually standing on his feets for seconds while the ref waved him off anyway, Pulev for example had a much better performance against him recently, when Chisora was in shape, also he has very bad hand speed, movement and his power isn't really there either, on top of that he's appearantly injured very fast. and from top to tone. People tend to overrate him because he fought a lot of bums with a good record in his career, but obviously lost against Klitschko in 2011, who was out of his prime, while Daffy was in his prime.
Despite what a lot of people think, he had absolutely no chance against Klitschko

asdfjkl wrote:I think the most underrated are Kubrat Pulev and Alexander Povetkin.


Povetkin won against Marco Huck despite suffering from the hunger knock, his only loss was against a cheating Wladimir Klitschko who hugged him from start till end, but didn't get disqualified, like he should be. Povetkin fights close near only top contenders, or against guys people claim he can't handle. Despite being a small heavyweight, he is very fast, probably has the best stamina in the division and is very enjoyable to watch and has a very hard punch, even in the later rounds, he's also very charming, sadly most people in the world can't speak Russian, so don't understand him.

I do think both of them would lose against Klitschko, Joshua, Ortiz, and Fury

Overrated in my opinion are :

Deontay Wilder, people tend to overrate him, he fought only bums, unlike Pulev and Povetkin but still didn't win his fights convincingly, he has a lack of power, which is the reason he doesn't fight top contenders, despite this lack of power, he still often breaks his own hand, because he doesn't have a good boxing technic and could serve problems against any serious heavyweight fighter on the planet.

Tyson Fury, he's good, very good, but if his opponents dare to come closer to him he's not that dominating any more. He's still a very good fighter with excellent movement for his height, he has a weak punch, but his technical ability and stamina is underrated .
People tend to underrate him because he is not really enjoyable to watch, because he doesn't allways KO, says odd things and doesnt really look like a top athlete.

David Haye, is criminally overrated in my opinion, I even said a couple of months ago, that a good cruiserweight good probably handle him, he was by far the worst heavyweight champion of the world this recent era and only looked like decent because of his fanbase and charms, he's a tipical paper champion. At the Heavyweight Division, he had an unfair win against Valuev, who had pain in all his bones and even should have lost the fight before against a 46!!! year old Evender Holyfield, who already lost many of his fights before. Daffy knocked Chisora out, but let's get real, Chisora was out of shape, actually standing on his feets for seconds while the ref waved him off anyway, Pulev for example had a much better performance against him recently, when Chisora was in shape, also he has very bad hand speed, movement and his power isn't really there either, on top of that he's appearantly injured very fast. and from top to tone. People tend to overrate him because he fought a lot of bums with a good record in his career, but obviously lost against Klitschko in 2011, who was out of his prime, while Daffy was in his prime.
Despite what a lot of people think, he had absolutely no chance against Klitschko

PEDvetkin looked like warm horsesh!t v Huck. Then he discovered his Superman suit and how to flunk tests.

Tanzio wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:I think the most underrated are Kubrat Pulev and Alexander Povetkin.


Povetkin won against Marco Huck despite suffering from the hunger knock, his only loss was against a cheating Wladimir Klitschko who hugged him from start till end, but didn't get disqualified, like he should be. Povetkin fights close near only top contenders, or against guys people claim he can't handle. Despite being a small heavyweight, he is very fast, probably has the best stamina in the division and is very enjoyable to watch and has a very hard punch, even in the later rounds, he's also very charming, sadly most people in the world can't speak Russian, so don't understand him.

I do think both of them would lose against Klitschko, Joshua, Ortiz, and Fury

Overrated in my opinion are :

Deontay Wilder, people tend to overrate him, he fought only bums, unlike Pulev and Povetkin but still didn't win his fights convincingly, he has a lack of power, which is the reason he doesn't fight top contenders, despite this lack of power, he still often breaks his own hand, because he doesn't have a good boxing technic and could serve problems against any serious heavyweight fighter on the planet.

Tyson Fury, he's good, very good, but if his opponents dare to come closer to him he's not that dominating any more. He's still a very good fighter with excellent movement for his height, he has a weak punch, but his technical ability and stamina is underrated .
People tend to underrate him because he is not really enjoyable to watch, because he doesn't allways KO, says odd things and doesnt really look like a top athlete.

David Haye, is criminally overrated in my opinion, I even said a couple of months ago, that a good cruiserweight good probably handle him, he was by far the worst heavyweight champion of the world this recent era and only looked like decent because of his fanbase and charms, he's a tipical paper champion. At the Heavyweight Division, he had an unfair win against Valuev, who had pain in all his bones and even should have lost the fight before against a 46!!! year old Evender Holyfield, who already lost many of his fights before. Daffy knocked Chisora out, but let's get real, Chisora was out of shape, actually standing on his feets for seconds while the ref waved him off anyway, Pulev for example had a much better performance against him recently, when Chisora was in shape, also he has very bad hand speed, movement and his power isn't really there either, on top of that he's appearantly injured very fast. and from top to tone. People tend to overrate him because he fought a lot of bums with a good record in his career, but obviously lost against Klitschko in 2011, who was out of his prime, while Daffy was in his prime.
Despite what a lot of people think, he had absolutely no chance against Klitschko

PEDvetkin looked like warm horsesh!t v Huck. Then he discovered his Superman suit and how to flunk tests.

He simply didn't take the fight serious and simply hitted the wall:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitting_the_wall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDNtNjwb5Us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iWI72c42gc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnCFW3_uIO8
(skip to 35:00 ish till he got KOed)
You can even look back at Klitschko's weight at the time, he was over 7 pounds heavier 3 weeks earlier: http://boxrec.com/boxer/7035
And has never had such a low weight ever again, but his opponent was ranked lower as anyone Wladimir has fought in the past 10 years, but still won.

You probably have never hitted the wall and because of that don't recognice it, but it has nothing to do with stamina or power.
In fact, Povetkin is the only person I know that won a fight and actually even won several rounds, despite hitting the wall.

I've once hitted the wall in my life and it's a really odd feeling, you're not out of breath, and you can think relatively bright, but you just can't use any power in any muscle at all. I had it while cycling with a friend for several hours, my top speed (for a couple of seconds) is about 57km/h and about 38 for about half an hour, but at that moment I couldn't reach 20km/h, which any 10 year old can easely do.

As soon as you eat and wait for a couple of minits you'll get your powers back, and you'll love any food at that moment, even food you usually disgust.

tyson fury by a big margin.

asdfjkl wrote:I think the most underrated are Kubrat Pulev and Alexander Povetkin.


Povetkin won against Marco Huck despite suffering from the hunger knock, his only loss was against a cheating Wladimir Klitschko who hugged him from start till end, but didn't get disqualified, like he should be. Povetkin fights close near only top contenders, or against guys people claim he can't handle. Despite being a small heavyweight, he is very fast, probably has the best stamina in the division and is very enjoyable to watch and has a very hard punch, even in the later rounds, he's also very charming, sadly most people in the world can't speak Russian, so don't understand him.

I do think both of them would lose against Klitschko, Joshua, Ortiz, and Fury

Overrated in my opinion are :

Deontay Wilder, people tend to overrate him, he fought only bums, unlike Pulev and Povetkin but still didn't win his fights convincingly, he has a lack of power, which is the reason he doesn't fight top contenders, despite this lack of power, he still often breaks his own hand, because he doesn't have a good boxing technic and could serve problems against any serious heavyweight fighter on the planet.

Tyson Fury, he's good, very good, but if his opponents dare to come closer to him he's not that dominating any more. He's still a very good fighter with excellent movement for his height, he has a weak punch, but his technical ability and stamina is underrated .
People tend to underrate him because he is not really enjoyable to watch, because he doesn't allways KO, says odd things and doesnt really look like a top athlete.

David Haye, is criminally overrated in my opinion, I even said a couple of months ago, that a good cruiserweight good probably handle him, he was by far the worst heavyweight champion of the world this recent era and only looked like decent because of his fanbase and charms, he's a tipical paper champion. At the Heavyweight Division, he had an unfair win against Valuev, who had pain in all his bones and even should have lost the fight before against a 46!!! year old Evender Holyfield, who already lost many of his fights before. Daffy knocked Chisora out, but let's get real, Chisora was out of shape, actually standing on his feets for seconds while the ref waved him off anyway, Pulev for example had a much better performance against him recently, when Chisora was in shape, also he has very bad hand speed, movement and his power isn't really there either, on top of that he's appearantly injured very fast. and from top to tone. People tend to overrate him because he fought a lot of bums with a good record in his career, but obviously lost against Klitschko in 2011, who was out of his prime, while Daffy was in his prime.
Despite what a lot of people think, he had absolutely no chance against Klitschko

Just to clear up a bit of BS re Haye

Chisora did come in shape for there fight and got sparked.
Good cruisers could not handle Haye when he was a cruiser and in his prime. That's proven.
He is not the worst heavyweight champ of recent times. Valuev, John Ruiz are a couple he's beaten for starters. Add in to the fact that America served us up Charles Martin and it should put that topic to bed

sweetviolenturge wrote:Overrated: Luis Ortiz - Ever since he came off his PEDs suspension to wreck Bryant Jennings folks have been hailing him as one of the top two or three heavies on the planet & I just can't see it. Since that time, he looked like dog shite against both an old, worn out Tony Thompson & an uncombative Malik Scott. Sure, he looks to have exceptional power, but he's as slow as molasses in January & easy to hit. And, he hasn't faced a big puncher yet, so we have no idea about his chin.

Bryant Jennings - Sure, he showed some skill in lasting the distance against a rather disinterested Wladimir, but other than that he's done nothing. Then, he was blown away by Ortiz in his next fight & has followed up on that with going on two years worth of inactivity.

Anthony Joshua - Yes, he's been exceptionally impressive thus far, but until he beats Wlad, I'm going to say that he's a bit overrated based on his accomplishments thus far.

Christian Hammer - While he's coming off of a couple of decent wins, I just can't get his dismal showing against Tyson Fury out of my mind.

Underrated: Deontay Wilder - Yes, the number of live bodies on his resume thus far is somewhat lacking, but other than one brief stunned moment vs hard hitting Molina & a handful of lackluster rounds early on against "The Pin" & Washington, all Wilder's done is win. By KO. So, for as much shite as he takes, I'm placing him in this category.

Dominick Breazeale - Say what you will about him, he's a durable, dangerous, exciting fighter. And, there's no shame in losing to Joshua.

Wladimir Klitschko - Many folks have written him off & are saying that he has no chance vs Joshua, but I think we may be in for a surprise. If he's in his best possible shape physically, mentally & emotionally, he could pull the upset.

Breazeale underrated? Other than being able to take a beating for longer than most vs AJ what is there to rate? Cos he provided no boxing in that fight.

Wilder underrated? "All he does is win, by KO". Since winning the belt Wilder struggles consistently and has often been shaken up badly or down on points before pulling out the money punch. I credit his power but it won't bail him out soon. He'll face a boxer too skilled and then you'll see his level.

AJ overrated? All he literally does is win, and by ko. Higher no % than wilder whose underrated. And the difference is is he stops people whilst dominating the fight. He absolutely battered the "underrated" breazeale. Yet is overrated!? That literally makes no sense. He completely battered molina who had the "underrated" wilder doing the chicken dance

Overrated
Jarrell Miller
Charles Martin
Robert Helenius
David Price
Erkan Teper
Dominick Breazeale

Underrated
Christian Hammer
Carlos Takam
Dereck Chisora
Dillian Whyte
Bryant Jennings

Overrated

Wilder - Will get exposed when fighting a skilled opp

Parker - I read some good things about him but when I watch him fight he's some way short of being a top fighter

Underrated

Wlad

sweetviolenturge wrote:Overrated: Luis Ortiz - Ever since he came off his PEDs suspension to wreck Bryant Jennings folks have been hailing him as one of the top two or three heavies on the planet & I just can't see it. Since that time, he looked like dog shite against both an old, worn out Tony Thompson & an uncombative Malik Scott. Sure, he looks to have exceptional power, but he's as slow as molasses in January & easy to hit. And, he hasn't faced a big puncher yet, so we have no idea about his chin.

Bryant Jennings - Sure, he showed some skill in lasting the distance against a rather disinterested Wladimir, but other than that he's done nothing. Then, he was blown away by Ortiz in his next fight & has followed up on that with going on two years worth of inactivity.

Anthony Joshua - Yes, he's been exceptionally impressive thus far, but until he beats Wlad, I'm going to say that he's a bit overrated based on his accomplishments thus far.

Christian Hammer - While he's coming off of a couple of decent wins, I just can't get his dismal showing against Tyson Fury out of my mind.

Underrated: Deontay Wilder - Yes, the number of live bodies on his resume thus far is somewhat lacking, but other than one brief stunned moment vs hard hitting Molina & a handful of lackluster rounds early on against "The Pin" & Washington, all Wilder's done is win. By KO. So, for as much shite as he takes, I'm placing him in this category.

Dominick Breazeale - Say what you will about him, he's a durable, dangerous, exciting fighter. And, there's no shame in losing to Joshua.

Wladimir Klitschko - Many folks have written him off & are saying that he has no chance vs Joshua, but I think we may be in for a surprise. If he's in his best possible shape physically, mentally & emotionally, he could pull the upset.

Good post. I don't agree with Hammer and Wilder. Hammer is non-descript, neither underated or overated. Wilder is overated by the causal. Who the fcuk has he fought?

sweetviolenturge wrote:Overrated: Luis Ortiz - Ever since he came off his PEDs suspension to wreck Bryant Jennings folks have been hailing him as one of the top two or three heavies on the planet & I just can't see it. Since that time, he looked like dog shite against both an old, worn out Tony Thompson & an uncombative Malik Scott. Sure, he looks to have exceptional power, but he's as slow as molasses in January & easy to hit. And, he hasn't faced a big puncher yet, so we have no idea about his chin.

Bryant Jennings - Sure, he showed some skill in lasting the distance against a rather disinterested Wladimir, but other than that he's done nothing. Then, he was blown away by Ortiz in his next fight & has followed up on that with going on two years worth of inactivity.

Anthony Joshua - Yes, he's been exceptionally impressive thus far, but until he beats Wlad, I'm going to say that he's a bit overrated based on his accomplishments thus far.

Christian Hammer - While he's coming off of a couple of decent wins, I just can't get his dismal showing against Tyson Fury out of my mind.

Underrated: Deontay Wilder - Yes, the number of live bodies on his resume thus far is somewhat lacking, but other than one brief stunned moment vs hard hitting Molina & a handful of lackluster rounds early on against "The Pin" & Washington, all Wilder's done is win. By KO. So, for as much shite as he takes, I'm placing him in this category.

Dominick Breazeale - Say what you will about him, he's a durable, dangerous, exciting fighter. And, there's no shame in losing to Joshua.

Wladimir Klitschko - Many folks have written him off & are saying that he has no chance vs Joshua, but I think we may be in for a surprise. If he's in his best possible shape physically, mentally & emotionally, he could pull the upset.

They pretty much had the same result against Szpilka? On top of that, Briant Jennings won in fact several rounds against Luis Ortiz. Malik Scott for example, who took a clear dive against Deontay Wilder, can't say that.

I think Jun Long Zhang and Tyrone Spong are underrated.