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Re: The heavyeights of Asia
Posted: 13 Apr 2017, 01:27
by asdfjkl
sweetviolenturge wrote:asdfjkl wrote:sweetviolenturge wrote:
Yeah, Zhang Zhilei is definitely due for a step up in competition.
Of course, I would imagine that the biggest match they could make would be with his countryman "The Dragon King" Zhang Junlong, but it would appear that the latter Zhang is only interested in facing more set ups sent in from overseas. Which is a shame because it would certainly be quite the spectacle. But, then, I'm sure that "The Dragon King's" people know that he wouldn't be able to compete with the Olympic silver medalist & would likely be embarrassed within a round or two judging by what I've seen of both.
That leaves Kyotaro as the most likely all Asia match up & I would imagine that once the money for such a match is right we'll likely see it with Fujimoto's OPBF on the line.
Should they want to build up his record a bit more at home then Ray Austin would be a good name for that type of cannon fodder as he's fought in China before when he stopped Andrew Golota there about a decade ago.
Then, down the line, once his people feel he's ready to make the big step up I can see them bringing in Joseph Parker. Especially if Parker still has his WBO title as Zhang Zhilei beat Parker twice in the amateur ranks.
Speaking of Parker, that brought reminded me of a recent KO victim of his in Dimitrenko. Who I thought was likely finished after Parker destroyed him in such short order, but he just returned a week or two back & knocked out the unbeaten Swedish heavy that so many were talking about. So, he might be an interesting step up in competition for Zhang Zhilei.
Now back to reality, Jun Long Zhang is doing everything he can to find more serious competition. Somehow he's like the Asian Ortiz, he now finally has a pasport to go out of China somehow.
If by Zhang Junlong being the "Asian Ortiz" you mean big, old & overrated then you're spot on. He has yet to fight a remotely live body unless, again, you're going to Jason Gavern who showed up in China looking for a paycheck & not a win.
If you knew the heavyweight league, you would have known George Arias for example as well.
It's oke that you don't know what you're talking about, but then please don't act like you do.
Re: The heavyeights of Asia
Posted: 13 Apr 2017, 05:19
by sweetviolenturge
I know all there is to know about George Arias.
What's his claim to fame? That he went into the 11th round against Fres Oquendo 13 years ago?
He's a 43-year-old 5'11" Brazilian who took beatings from Hughie Fury, Kubret Pulev & Carlos Takam in distance fights who all of a sudden couldn't find his footing in 2 rounds against Zhang Junlong in a bout that most question the legitimacy of.
Let's face it, the guys a fraud until proven otherwise. He's about as legit in China as Brian Neilson was in Denmark.
Re: The heavyeights of Asia
Posted: 13 Apr 2017, 08:09
by asdfjkl
sweetviolenturge wrote:I know all there is to know about George Arias.
What's his claim to fame? That he went into the 11th round against Fres Oquendo 13 years ago?
He's a 43-year-old 5'11" Brazilian who took beatings from Hughie Fury, Kubret Pulev & Carlos Takam in distance fights who all of a sudden couldn't find his footing in 2 rounds against Zhang Junlong in a bout that most question the legitimacy of.
Let's face it, the guys a fraud until proven otherwise. He's about as legit in China as Brian Neilson was in Denmark.
Except that Brian Neilson couldn't KO anyone in his first 7 fights...
Re: The heavyeights of Asia
Posted: 13 Apr 2017, 08:22
by candyslim
I hear there is a new improved George Arias on the scene. He hails from the Dominican Republic IIRC. I'm sure SVU knows plenty about him, and probably you do too asdfjkl.
Re: The heavyeights of Asia
Posted: 13 Apr 2017, 18:40
by sweetviolenturge
asdfjkl wrote:sweetviolenturge wrote:I know all there is to know about George Arias.
What's his claim to fame? That he went into the 11th round against Fres Oquendo 13 years ago?
He's a 43-year-old 5'11" Brazilian who took beatings from Hughie Fury, Kubret Pulev & Carlos Takam in distance fights who all of a sudden couldn't find his footing in 2 rounds against Zhang Junlong in a bout that most question the legitimacy of.
Let's face it, the guys a fraud until proven otherwise. He's about as legit in China as Brian Neilson was in Denmark.
Except that Brian Neilson couldn't KO anyone in his first 7 fights...
If you know half as much about the sport as you say you do then you know that I'm referring to how Neilson was able to build up a spectacular record against name fighters in Denmark, but the funny thing is that none of said opponents tried very hard when they got over to Denmark. They showed up, went through the motions, found a soft spot on the canvas or quit in their corners & collected their checks.
Zhang Junlong's wins have a similar air about them IMO.
But, who knows, maybe if he fights a live body outside of China & wins, I'll change my opinion of him. But, until then, Zhang Zhilei is the only actual prospect from China in my book.
Re: The heavyeights of Asia
Posted: 13 Apr 2017, 18:44
by sweetviolenturge
candyslim wrote:I hear there is a new improved George Arias on the scene. He hails from the Dominican Republic IIRC. I'm sure SVU knows plenty about him, and probably you do too asdfjkl.
What is it about heavyweights by that name? They're all so short.
This Arias is listed at 6' tall, but I think he's 6' like Tyson was 6'. LOL.
Still, he may turn out to be a prospect, but he's still just a 4 round fighter at the moment. Reminds me of Mike Perez a bit.
Re: The heavyeights of Asia
Posted: 14 Apr 2017, 02:00
by asdfjkl
candyslim wrote:I hear there is a new improved George Arias on the scene. He hails from the Dominican Republic IIRC. I'm sure SVU knows plenty about him, and probably you do too asdfjkl.
I'm not impessed about him tbh.
Re: The heavyeights of Asia
Posted: 16 Apr 2017, 18:00
by candyslim
Yeah he's probably too small to make much of an impression against guys who are both good and big. Same goes for other shorties like Hemi Ahio. Of course if you're good enough then you're big enough but If you're under 6' then you need to be a Tyson, a Frazier, a Tua or a Marciano to compete with guys like Klitschko, Joshua, and Wilder who are enormous and extremely hard hitting.
Even good fighters like Oscar Rivas might struggle to make much of an impact because they are not so good that they can overcome their physical disadvantage. Time will tell but I don't think Rivas will trouble the giants.
Re: The heavyeights of Asia
Posted: 17 Apr 2017, 12:15
by kych
What happened to the Chinese boxer Taishan Dong, his last fight was 2015-12-18, unbeaten 6-0, in USA with Daniel Arambula. Since then we did not hear from him ??
Re: The heavyeights of Asia
Posted: 17 Apr 2017, 14:14
by asdfjkl
kych wrote:What happened to the Chinese boxer Taishan Dong, his last fight was 2015-12-18, unbeaten 6-0, in USA with Daniel Arambula. Since then we did not hear from him ??
I wonder the same about Tyrone Spong for example, his opponends seem to become worse and worse.
His 3rth opponent had 12 fights and 12 wins, till Tyrone Spong KOed him, but his 7th opponent has 14 fights, 14 loses and all of them lost on KO?!
Re: The heavyeights of Asia
Posted: 17 Apr 2017, 15:13
by jujigatame
Junlong Zhang is a tubby joke, there is a reason he never followed the Gavern fight with any improved opposition. That's still his biggest win 3 years later and it's likely it'll be the biggest win of his career when it's over.
Fujimoto is pretty interesting. Accomplished kickboxer and still only 30 years old. Hopefully he steps his competition up now that he's won a regional belt.
Zhilei Zhang is interesting too as he has a good amateur pedigree, but just like the other 2 guys he has been on a steady tomato diet.
Re: The heavyeights of Asia
Posted: 18 Apr 2017, 05:47
by kych
I mean Taishan Dong, his last fight was 2015 Dec, did not box since then, is he injured or quite ??
Re: The heavyeights of Asia
Posted: 18 Apr 2017, 06:13
by Boxing Prospect
Dong requested a release from.his GBP contract
Junlong also has a notable amateur background
Re: The heavyeights of Asia
Posted: 18 Apr 2017, 09:36
by jujigatame
Boxing Prospect wrote:Dong requested a release from.his GBP contract
Junlong also has a notable amateur background
You sure you're not thinking of the other Zhang who medaled in the Olympics? I cannot find anything about Jun Long Zhang having an amateur pedigree.
Re: The heavyeights of Asia
Posted: 18 Apr 2017, 14:09
by actjac
Keep in mind that all three Zhang, Jun Long and Kyotaro are ranked in the top 15 and eligible to fight for world heavyweight titles.
Re: The heavyeights of Asia
Posted: 18 Apr 2017, 14:56
by Boxing Prospect
jujigatame wrote:Boxing Prospect wrote:Dong requested a release from.his GBP contract
Junlong also has a notable amateur background
You sure you're not thinking of the other Zhang who medaled in the Olympics? I cannot find anything about Jun Long Zhang having an amateur pedigree.
Very sure, he just missed out on the 2004 Olympics, was a former multi time Chinese champion.
Seems like his most notable result was here -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_AIB ... Tournament
Check on Strefa for Zhang Yunlong ;)
Re: The heavyeights of Asia
Posted: 18 Apr 2017, 15:28
by jujigatame
Re: The heavyeights of Asia
Posted: 18 Apr 2017, 16:07
by Boxing Prospect
Strefa, not D addicts >_>
Re: The heavyeights of Asia
Posted: 20 Apr 2017, 12:18
by kych
The reason I kept on asking ref Taishan DONG is he is 7` tall, maybe a bit slow but unbeaten 6-0, can make big Money, maybe a promoter is missing.
Doe's somebody know the real story of it ??
Re: The heavyeights of Asia
Posted: 20 Apr 2017, 12:40
by jujigatame
Boxing Prospect wrote:Strefa, not D addicts >_>
