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Ezzard wrote:Boxing has to be the strangest sport.

We get a boxer who is willing to take on the best and actively seek out top opponents. Not expecting catch weights. Not waiting for them to get old. Not stipulating the judges. Or the referee. He fights in an offensive crowd pleasing style and all anyone wants to do is run him down.

He speaks Russian instead of English. That will add a few doubters.

Lomachenko is a very good fighter. Maybe better than Manny, especially technically speaking, but he's not better than Floyd.

Ezzard wrote:Boxing has to be the strangest sport.

We get a boxer who is willing to take on the best and actively seek out top opponents. Not expecting catch weights. Not waiting for them to get old. Not stipulating the judges. Or the referee. He fights in an offensive crowd pleasing style and all anyone wants to do is run him down.

I don't think people are running him down. But it's premature to say he's better than these HoFers right now. He's only had 9 pro fights

NateJR wrote:Lomachenko is a very good fighter. Maybe better than Manny, especially technically speaking, but he's not better than Floyd.

What does Floyd do technically better than Loma?

Ossyrules wrote:People are going way over the top here.

Loma is very good and p4p top 5 by most experts id imagine. But come on

Pacquaio has had an exceptional career and is highly skilled. It's an insult at this stage to suggest otherwise

And make light work be MAB and Morales... 2 HoFers but generally at a lower weight, but infinitely better than salido, with respect.

Calm down people he's very good loma, but still much more to do

Nobody is saying he is more accomplished than Floyd or Manny (even though he is in the amateurs). Many believe just by watching his movement and technical prowess in the ring that he holds superior technical attributes over the two. And that is what I am saying. Sure, many will wait until he faces more and better opposition. I've seen enough already to make an educated assumption on his greatness. You all will be on board in a couple years. Dude has only had 8 fights and is already a two weight division world champion. Just because some of us can see how great he is now and you can't shouldn't give you the right to criticize our perspective of the man.

prime loma
prime mayweather
prime pacquiao

reflexes all 3 equal

chin prime mayweather, prime pacquiao, prime loma

combination punching prime pacquiao, than prime loma, prime mayweather

footwork prime loma, than prime mayweather, prime pacquiao

power prime pacquiao, prime mayweather, prime loma

speed prime pacquiao, prime loma, prime mayweather

upper body movemant prime loma, prime mayweather, prime pacquiao

overall prime loma, prime pacquiao, prime mayweather

Impractical Poster wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:People are going way over the top here.

Loma is very good and p4p top 5 by most experts id imagine. But come on

Pacquaio has had an exceptional career and is highly skilled. It's an insult at this stage to suggest otherwise

And make light work be MAB and Morales... 2 HoFers but generally at a lower weight, but infinitely better than salido, with respect.

Calm down people he's very good loma, but still much more to do

Nobody is saying he is more accomplished than Floyd or Manny (even though he is in the amateurs). Many believe just by watching his movement and technical prowess in the ring that he holds superior technical attributes over the two. And that is what I am saying. Sure, many will wait until he faces more and better opposition. I've seen enough already to make an educated assumption on his greatness. You all will be on board in a couple years. Dude has only had 8 fights and is already a two weight division world champion. Just because some of us can see how great he is now and you can't shouldn't give you the right to criticize our perspective of the man.

I'm not criticising you can think what you like, as can I.

For me, opposition will always be the acid test of putting your skill set to the maximum challenge. Pacquaio and to a slightly lesser degree mayweather have a wealth of opposition to test them.

I accept there's certain things he will do better than both. But he's not better than them.

In 2 years I may be on board with you if he's beaten some hell of opponents to make him HoF.

Until then, keep rating people as greatness. Who needs a quality cv hey!?

Ossyrules wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:People are going way over the top here.

Loma is very good and p4p top 5 by most experts id imagine. But come on

Pacquaio has had an exceptional career and is highly skilled. It's an insult at this stage to suggest otherwise

And make light work be MAB and Morales... 2 HoFers but generally at a lower weight, but infinitely better than salido, with respect.

Calm down people he's very good loma, but still much more to do

Nobody is saying he is more accomplished than Floyd or Manny (even though he is in the amateurs). Many believe just by watching his movement and technical prowess in the ring that he holds superior technical attributes over the two. And that is what I am saying. Sure, many will wait until he faces more and better opposition. I've seen enough already to make an educated assumption on his greatness. You all will be on board in a couple years. Dude has only had 8 fights and is already a two weight division world champion. Just because some of us can see how great he is now and you can't shouldn't give you the right to criticize our perspective of the man.

I'm not criticising you can think what you like, as can I.

For me, opposition will always be the acid test of putting your skill set to the maximum challenge. Pacquaio and to a slightly lesser degree mayweather have a wealth of opposition to test them.

I accept there's certain things he will do better than both. But he's not better than them.

In 2 years I may be on board with you if he's beaten some hell of opponents to make him HoF.

Until then, keep rating people as greatness. Who needs a quality cv hey!?

You will. He has almost 400 amateur fights and beaten every AM fighter he ever faced. And won two gold medals in the process. That, in and of itself speaks volumes. Unless something horrendous happens to the guy, he is on his way to glory in the pro rankings as well.

I understand that great opposition is the acid test. I have little doubt that he will pass these tests. It's only a matter of time.

CVs are definitely an indication of greatness. No way do I have Lomachenko on the top of a p4p list as this point. However, that doesn't negate the fact that he is the best boxer I have ever seen fight live.

Lomo was one of the best of all time in the amateurs, no question. Pros is different though in a lot of ways. When he gets to that top level competition, we will see how he does. GGG was a highly decorated amateur too, and looked unbeatable too, with top notch skills. Jacobs showed us he is beatable. People probably don't roll their eyes at me as much now when I say Canelo will beat GGG by decision.

I'm not sure Mikey Garcia would beat Lomo due to his inactivity, but would be a good test. Sosa was good, but relatively inexperienced and tailor made for Lomo style wise. I think it would take someone like Crawford with a reach advantage and skill set. 140 may seem a long way off, but if he dares to be great, like Pacquiao and Mayweather, who fought basically at their walking around weight or at least fight night weight, then we will be incredibly impressed.

crusader wrote:I already feel fine saying that he is more skilled than Manny was, although Pac was a far greater offensive force.

Manny is just freakishly physically gifted. If Loma or even Mayweather had Mannys physical attributes they'd both probably be unstoppable.

p4p1 wrote:

crusader wrote:I already feel fine saying that he is more skilled than Manny was, although Pac was a far greater offensive force.

Manny is just freakishly physically gifted. If Loma or even Mayweather had Mannys physical attributes they'd both probably be unstoppable.

true. mannys stamina, physic at his prime was in a league of his own

Impractical Poster wrote:

NateJR wrote:Lomachenko is a very good fighter. Maybe better than Manny, especially technically speaking, but he's not better than Floyd.

What does Floyd do technically better than Loma?

Win

Tanzio wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

NateJR wrote:Lomachenko is a very good fighter. Maybe better than Manny, especially technically speaking, but he's not better than Floyd.

What does Floyd do technically better than Loma?

Win

like he did against castillo

come on, you can do better...what does prime floyd do better than prime loma? I would love to hear an answer

Jip wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: What does Floyd do technically better than Loma?

Win

like he did against castillo

come on, you can do better...what does prime floyd do better than prime loma? I would love to hear an answer

Unfortunately for you and me we aren't the deciders. The deciders have Lomassiah 8-1 and FMJ 49-0. They also have SOGgy unbeaten and Krusher not.

Lomassiah is a tremendous talent but he lost to Salido. What happens when / if he meets a Duran? We will find more out about how good he is then.

And don't even try comparing TRex Jr. to Roberto Duran.

Badhusker wrote:Lomo was one of the best of all time in the amateurs, no question. Pros is different though in a lot of ways. When he gets to that top level competition, we will see how he does. GGG was a highly decorated amateur too, and looked unbeatable too, with top notch skills. Jacobs showed us he is beatable. People probably don't roll their eyes at me as much now when I say Canelo will beat GGG by decision.

I'm not sure Mikey Garcia would beat Lomo due to his inactivity, but would be a good test. Sosa was good, but relatively inexperienced and tailor made for Lomo style wise. I think it would take someone like Crawford with a reach advantage and skill set. 140 may seem a long way off, but if he dares to be great, like Pacquiao and Mayweather, who fought basically at their walking around weight or at least fight night weight, then we will be incredibly impressed.

Canelo is not beating healthy Golovkin.

Jip wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: What does Floyd do technically better than Loma?

Win

like he did against castillo

come on, you can do better...what does prime floyd do better than prime loma? I would love to hear an answer

Defense, reflexes, steal rounds, left hook, lead cross, jab, sticky punch, potshot, shoulder roll

Lackeos wrote:

Jip wrote:

Tanzio wrote: Win

like he did against castillo

come on, you can do better...what does prime floyd do better than prime loma? I would love to hear an answer

Defense, reflexes, steal rounds, left hook, lead cross, jab, sticky punch, potshot, shoulder roll

Try watching Loma with your eyes open.

Impractical Poster wrote:

Lackeos wrote:

Jip wrote:

like he did against castillo

come on, you can do better...what does prime floyd do better than prime loma? I would love to hear an answer

Defense, reflexes, steal rounds, left hook, lead cross, jab, sticky punch, potshot, shoulder roll

Try watching Loma with your eyes open.

OMG Impractical Poster has been bitten by the Lomazoids!!

Sho have!! I ain't ashamed

Impractical Poster wrote:Sho have!! I ain't ashamed

neither are Pacmites or Floydiots.

Lomachenko is no Mayweather , he would lose against prime Mayweather at super featherweight.
I could see him beating Pacquiao in a close fight , but not Mayweather.

Tanzio wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:Sho have!! I ain't ashamed

neither are Pacmites or Floydiots.

They should be. But not the Loma fans. We all know he is the second coming of.... nevermind, he's the first of his kind. Jump on board while there's still room Homie.

Salo198 wrote:Lomachenko is no Mayweather , he would lose against prime Mayweather at super featherweight.
I could see him beating Pacquiao in a close fight , but not Mayweather.

Lomachenko has surpassed Floyd by leaps and bounds when Floyd was at the same stage of his pro career. So far, Loma has a heck of a head start on Floyd.

Salo198 wrote:Lomachenko is no Mayweather , he would lose against prime Mayweather at super featherweight.
I could see him beating Pacquiao in a close fight , but not Mayweather.

Of course, how could he beat Mayweather? Of course, Castillo did, but who is Loma compared to Castillo?

Impractical Poster wrote:

Salo198 wrote:Lomachenko is no Mayweather , he would lose against prime Mayweather at super featherweight.
I could see him beating Pacquiao in a close fight , but not Mayweather.

Lomachenko has surpassed Floyd by leaps and bounds when Floyd was at the same stage of his pro career. So far, Loma has a heck of a head start on Floyd.

Doing it earlier doesn't make you better

We get it loma is special he won the title second fight!