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punchoutsb wrote:

crusader wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
Catching shot Huck doesn't say much about Glowacki. Against Gassiev, Usyk will not have time to figure him out. If Usyk covers up and lets Gassiev push himself like he allowed Hunter to do, Gassiev will take him out early.

Huck looked fine until Glowacki KO'd him. If we're going down that route, wasn;t Leb 37 when Gassiev beat him?

This. Huck had/has more left in the tank than Lebedev does and I like both.

Are you seriously saying that Huck would last 12 rounds against Gassiev ?

boxing_rocks wrote:

Oiky wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:
Dorticos knocked out all of his opponents except Edison Miranda which Dorticos won by decision. Dorticos has not fought anyone good. I think Shumenov is going to win. There is video of Dorticos on YouTube. I watched the highlights. He knocks out a lot of boxers, but they are not world-class.

from what ive seen i'd go with shumenov aswell

You said it all demonstrating total incompetence. Shumenov is a fraud who didn't beat any B level fighter in his life. He got gifts against Campillo and Flores. He isn't even top 20 CW.

Even though Shumenov may not have deserved the decisions, he has gone the distance with world-class boxers at the time such as Campillo, Hopkins, and Flores. Dorticos' resume has hardly any wins against world-class opponents. It is an interesting matchup, but I think Shumenov's experience against better opposition will be the difference.

RScarf1 wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Oiky wrote: from what ive seen i'd go with shumenov aswell

You said it all demonstrating total incompetence. Shumenov is a fraud who didn't beat any B level fighter in his life. He got gifts against Campillo and Flores. He isn't even top 20 CW.

Even though Shumenov may not have deserved the decisions, he has gone the distance with world-class boxers at the time such as Campillo, Hopkins, and Flores. Dorticos' resume has hardly any wins against world-class opponents. It is an interesting matchup, but I think Shumenov's experience against better opposition will be the difference.

Kalenga stopped by Dorticos would smash Shumenov. Shumenov was the only KD by Hopkins since 2008! Campillo's KO ratio is under 50%.

RScarf1 wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Oiky wrote: from what ive seen i'd go with shumenov aswell

You said it all demonstrating total incompetence. Shumenov is a fraud who didn't beat any B level fighter in his life. He got gifts against Campillo and Flores. He isn't even top 20 CW.

Even though Shumenov may not have deserved the decisions, he has gone the distance with world-class boxers at the time such as Campillo, Hopkins, and Flores. Dorticos' resume has hardly any wins against world-class opponents. It is an interesting matchup, but I think Shumenov's experience against better opposition will be the difference.

I think that it is a legit step up for Dorticos that he will pass.

Flores world class? No...

Guapo and Hop were, but is gong the distance with them really a notable achievement? And Shumenov deserved about 5 rounds out of 24 between the Campllo rematch and Hop fight.

At CW I rate Kalenga higher than Shumenov

crusader wrote:Flores world class? No...

Guapo and Hop were, but is gong the distance with them really a notable achievement? And Shumenov deserved about 5 rounds out of 24 between the Campllo rematch and Hop fight.

At CW I rate Kalenga higher than Shumenov

Flores was world-class at the time, but I know he is not any longer. Considering that Dorticos defeated Kalenga by TKO, I guess you feel that Dorticos will do the same to Shumenov.

punchoutsb wrote:

crusader wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
Catching shot Huck doesn't say much about Glowacki. Against Gassiev, Usyk will not have time to figure him out. If Usyk covers up and lets Gassiev push himself like he allowed Hunter to do, Gassiev will take him out early.

Huck looked fine until Glowacki KO'd him. If we're going down that route, wasn;t Leb 37 when Gassiev beat him?

This. Huck had/has more left in the tank than Lebedev does and I like both.

I think Breidis & Usyk's wins are better than Gassiev's over Lebedev.

Gassiev-usyk

Good fight

I had Lebedev winning against Gassiev. I reckon Gassiev could win a rematch more clearly. For me, Lebedev is an excellent fighter. Tough, powerful and crafty, very hard to beat. Gassiev has bone breaking power and a good chin. He needs to throw more and set up his power shots better.

Usyk looks great at times but I also see what others are saying about him, clumsy and slappy occasionally. I don't see Usyk moving up in weight successfully.


Btw, has anyone noticed the amount and size of the spots on Gassiev? In all honesty I've seen that only on steroid users.

Tomasino wrote:I had Lebedev winning against Gassiev. I reckon Gassiev could win a rematch more clearly. For me, Lebedev is an excellent fighter. Tough, powerful and crafty, very hard to beat. Gassiev has bone breaking power and a good chin. He needs to throw more and set up his power shots better.

Usyk looks great at times but I also see what others are saying about him, clumsy and slappy occasionally. I don't see Usyk moving up in weight successfully.


Btw, has anyone noticed the amount and size of the spots on Gassiev? In all honesty I've seen that only on steroid users.

Even Russian commentators didn't have Lebedev winning against Gassiev

boxing_rocks wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

crusader wrote:
Huck looked fine until Glowacki KO'd him. If we're going down that route, wasn;t Leb 37 when Gassiev beat him?

This. Huck had/has more left in the tank than Lebedev does and I like both.

Are you seriously saying that Huck would last 12 rounds against Gassiev ?

Did I say that? Looks like I didn't say that and the measure of a fighters prime or decline isn't traditionally measured by how long someone thinks they would last against Gassiev. All that being said, Huck is crafty with a pretty good chin. How are you so sure he wouldn't last twelve when seven fighters much less talented than him already have?

But Huck had/has more left in the tank than Lebedev does and I like both.

punchoutsb wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
This. Huck had/has more left in the tank than Lebedev does and I like both.

Are you seriously saying that Huck would last 12 rounds against Gassiev ?

Did I say that? Looks like I didn't say that and the measure of a fighters prime or decline isn't traditionally measured by how long someone thinks they would last against Gassiev. All that being said, Huck is crafty with a pretty good chin. How are you so sure he wouldn't last twelve when seven fighters much less talented than him already have?

But Huck had/has more left in the tank than Lebedev does and I like both.

Huck is shot. Prime Huck would never lose to mediocre Glowacki.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Tomasino wrote:I had Lebedev winning against Gassiev. I reckon Gassiev could win a rematch more clearly. For me, Lebedev is an excellent fighter. Tough, powerful and crafty, very hard to beat. Gassiev has bone breaking power and a good chin. He needs to throw more and set up his power shots better.

Usyk looks great at times but I also see what others are saying about him, clumsy and slappy occasionally. I don't see Usyk moving up in weight successfully.


Btw, has anyone noticed the amount and size of the spots on Gassiev? In all honesty I've seen that only on steroid users.

Even Russian commentators didn't have Lebedev winning against Gassiev

They are both Russians.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Tomasino wrote:I had Lebedev winning against Gassiev. I reckon Gassiev could win a rematch more clearly. For me, Lebedev is an excellent fighter. Tough, powerful and crafty, very hard to beat. Gassiev has bone breaking power and a good chin. He needs to throw more and set up his power shots better.

Usyk looks great at times but I also see what others are saying about him, clumsy and slappy occasionally. I don't see Usyk moving up in weight successfully.


Btw, has anyone noticed the amount and size of the spots on Gassiev? In all honesty I've seen that only on steroid users.

Even Russian commentators didn't have Lebedev winning against Gassiev

One point up. Gassiev obviously landed the harder shots, Lebedev outboxed him in more rounds. It was close.

Tanzio wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Tomasino wrote:I had Lebedev winning against Gassiev. I reckon Gassiev could win a rematch more clearly. For me, Lebedev is an excellent fighter. Tough, powerful and crafty, very hard to beat. Gassiev has bone breaking power and a good chin. He needs to throw more and set up his power shots better.

Usyk looks great at times but I also see what others are saying about him, clumsy and slappy occasionally. I don't see Usyk moving up in weight successfully.


Btw, has anyone noticed the amount and size of the spots on Gassiev? In all honesty I've seen that only on steroid users.

Even Russian commentators didn't have Lebedev winning against Gassiev

They are both Russians.

You think so. Russians don't. Gassiev if from Osetiya. It is not as "bad" as Chechnya or Dagestan, but when a guy from Caucasus fights a real Russian, most of the public sides with the latter.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
Even Russian commentators didn't have Lebedev winning against Gassiev

They are both Russians.

You think so. Russians don't. Gassiev if from Osetiya. It is not as "bad" as Chechnya or Dagestan, but when a guy from Caucasus fights a real Russian, most of the public sides with the latter.

I am acutely aware of the racism and prejudice demonstrated by "real Russians" given that I lived there for years and that a "real Russian" resides next to me in bed every night (that I am home).

Thank you for pointing it out though, since if I had the PutinHeads would have descended upon me like flies on a dacha outhouse.

RScarf1 wrote:

crusader wrote:Flores world class? No...

Guapo and Hop were, but is gong the distance with them really a notable achievement? And Shumenov deserved about 5 rounds out of 24 between the Campllo rematch and Hop fight.

At CW I rate Kalenga higher than Shumenov

Flores was world-class at the time, but I know he is not any longer. Considering that Dorticos defeated Kalenga by TKO, I guess you feel that Dorticos will do the same to Shumenov.

On what basis was Flores world class? Losing 8-9 rounds to old Danny Green? What are Flores's best three wins and when did he get them?

As for the second sentence, I think Kalenga is better than blown up Miranda too, yet Dorticos came from behind to stop the former and comfortably outpointed the latter. It's not as simple as fighter A stopped fighter B, and fighter B is better than fighter C, so fighter A will stop fighter C

Tanzio wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Tanzio wrote: They are both Russians.

You think so. Russians don't. Gassiev if from Osetiya. It is not as "bad" as Chechnya or Dagestan, but when a guy from Caucasus fights a real Russian, most of the public sides with the latter.

I am acutely aware of the racism and prejudice demonstrated by "real Russians" given that I lived there for years and that a "real Russian" resides next to me in bed every night (that I am home).

Thank you for pointing it out though, since if I had the PutinHeads would have descended upon me like flies on a dacha outhouse.

Your wife must be an angel tolerating an asshole like you

boxing_rocks wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
You think so. Russians don't. Gassiev if from Osetiya. It is not as "bad" as Chechnya or Dagestan, but when a guy from Caucasus fights a real Russian, most of the public sides with the latter.

I am acutely aware of the racism and prejudice demonstrated by "real Russians" given that I lived there for years and that a "real Russian" resides next to me in bed every night (that I am home).

Thank you for pointing it out though, since if I had the PutinHeads would have descended upon me like flies on a dacha outhouse.

Your wife must be an angel tolerating an asshole like you

She is an angel, even given her "real Russian" flaws.